Update - Thursday, July 14, 2011

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...dates/20110714

Does anyone else find it amusing(and lame) that we can't use our EL tonics for this as well? Why not just be honest ANet and tell us that you are more about rewarding players that spend money in the cash shop as opposed to rewarding players that are loyal(6th year gifts are EL tonics that can be used in explorables for those not catching my meaning).

Making an account 6 years ago =/= loyalty. Also, loyalty doesn't exactly pay bills.

I can only speak to my loyalty for 6 years. I also see no reason why both shouldn't have been included.

Just because you bought the game 6 years ago, doesn't mean you've been playing for 6 years and doesn't mean loyalty. be happy you get anything at all for having the game and that anet is willing to give you something for buying it. as stated above, free bday presents doesn't pay their bills. There are people that bought the game 6 years ago played for a few months and put it down never to pick it up again until recently in anticipation for gw2....get over it.

like i said above, i can only speak to myself and the loyalty i have had to this game over the last 6 years. it would have been a nice addition is what i am saying, but everything these days seems to cater to what we buy in the shop.

What I find amusing is people caring about tonics.

Wintersday in July is going to happen?

Will I be able to obtain endless amounts of Candy Canes again!?

You want to try and bodyblock kunnavang?

Tonics and minis > game balance.

http://guildwars.com/events/ingame/wintersday_in_july/

And unless you grind the Snowball Arena the entire time, no (same page says "Earn these colorful fragments by competing in the Snowball Arena.")

If by "rewarding players that spend money in the cash shop" you mean "allow them to use something that gives no bonus or advantage what-so-ever", then I guess you're right.

Exactly, it is not exactly a reward to be able to use costumes. Tonics would be more annoying seeing as there can be some pretty big tonics out there and it would get pretty confusing. Honestly, I don't see the need for costumes either but they are not rewarding players that spend money in the cash shop.

Loyalty vs profit.

Loyalty well yes I am loyal to gw but if a better game came along I would be loyal to that too, and if GW became stale or just plain bad I would cease to be loyal.
Though I really love GW it isn't loyalty in its truest sense because I am here because it pleases me, so my loyalty is rather self serving.

Profit well of course they created GW to make money and to do that they aim to please the customers ie us.
If they didn't work that way they would go bust and there would be no gw.
So their reasons are as self serving as ours, we are in a mutually beneficial arrangement.
We pay then they please us, so that we pay them more and so on.

So they can create as many cosmetic add ons as they like to keep the cash rolling in as long as the game is free to play.

Venerated played should be given some love. Do not attempt to claim that Anet couldn't tell if a particular account has been active or sedentary for years at a time. this could be very easily accomplished.

I think Jazilla was trying to convey the sentiment that they can "pay their bills" by offering items/content through their shop while also proportionately offering freebies and gimmicky "fun" items for free.

You seem to ignore the potential for balance in this respect.

I find it entertaining people still complain after asking for this for so long.

Besides, they ARE catering to veteran players by allowing them to use festival hats.

yea, people complain too much. just enjoy the way it is now. its not going to ruin the game.

It's probably just an oversight. They knew that festival hats and costumes were something people wanted to wear all the time, especially when they first got them. People also wanted to make their characters as festive as possible during the holiday special events. These things specifically brought attention towards costumes and festival hats (seeing as they are both released during festivals, yet are not usable during the main activity in those festivals).

I think if you brought it to their attention, and the coding wasn't too difficult, ArenaNet would probably allow tonics in festival arenas as well.

I do think it's interesting in GW2 they emphasise how visual things will be (like different coloured AoE effects to indicate which team used them) and here in GW1 we will be losing visual indicators of class, which are important in Snowball Arenas.

^this. ruksak just happens to be more diplomatic than I. In my OP I think the strongest word I used was the word "lame". It's not like it was a rant or anything. It was just thinking it would have been cool to be able to use my 6th year tonic in the arena.

What i find amusing is people caring about costumes. Anyway , i got to agree with jazilla posts , it makes quite no sense to not be able to use those EL tonics in holidays arenas, but on the other side , much less players would buy costumes then and i don't think it's really what they want to....


But well , again on a side note , it's only for arenas that last 1 week so....