Flux - October 2011

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Minion Apocalypse

Any time a player dies, all nearby creatures are struck for 50 damage and a level 20 masterless bone horror is spawned.

Prestige

Prestige

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2011

Canada [GMT -5]

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

D/A

I see an Edge of Extinction build coming soon o.O !

ErrantVenture

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2010

Social Darwinism [SaD]

A/W

This flux is good for the game. We needed a flux that promotes quad necro hexway and lichspike. Super necessary.

Bristlebane

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

We're gonna see rezzmers, death nova, taste of death, and ... Vengeance Death Nova Suicide Bombers? lol

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

So...anyone planning on just bringing Vereta's Gaze and Vereta's Aura into AB, JQ, and FA?

cormac ap dunn

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
So...anyone planning on just bringing Vereta's Gaze and Vereta's Aura into AB, JQ, and FA?
Hehehe, you know that's what the majority of people will do! Lets see how this plays out....

Curo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

GMT-5

Liars, Cheats and Thieves [Liar]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn View Post
Hehehe, you know that's what the majority of people will do! Lets see how this plays out....
Lmao it's going to be a mad minion frenzy! Oh I wish I was a pvper this month ^^

We'll see like 50 masterless minions wandering around while people try and ignore them.

Mercury Angel

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

Don't think it changes anything in Aspenwood/Jade Quarry. From what I remember...

Kurzick minions in FA are obliterated by Siege Attacks. Luxon minions end up attacking the wrong targets, and are minimally effective when they manage to target gate guards due to the prolific block wards, enchantments, and aoe miss hexes. Also, NPCs make up a large chunk of the deaths, and they won't spawn minions.

In Jade Quarry, minion masters make for slow cappers, and terrible quarry holders. Other cappers can generally run past the minions and pop off the few spells it takes to cap a quarry before the minions do any real damage. Once the quarry is recapped, the NPCs shatter any protective enchantments on the minion master, and rapidly nuke them and their minions.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
So...anyone planning on just bringing Vereta's Gaze and Vereta's Aura into AB, JQ, and FA?
More like Holy Spear.

AndroBubbles

AndroBubbles

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2009

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
More like Holy Spear.
Balthazar's Aura for lulz?

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

So i had a match in HA, we kept killing and minions attacked us.... but dealing no damage.... besides, i don't get the point of this flux at all, especially in gvg

Apok

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Missing HB View Post
So i had a match in HA, we kept killing and minions attacked us.... but dealing no damage.... besides, i don't get the point of this flux at all, especially in gvg
It's a joke flux.

Make of that what you will.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Now this is what I'm talkin' about.

I'll give it a go in FA and see how it is in practice.

Lil Leena

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

E/

I don't know about anyone else but lots of minions make me lag and get bodyblocked >.>

Saint Scarlet

Saint Scarlet

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

Everywhere

Rise of Corruption[RoC]

R/

LOL, gotta love this new flux. It's causing havoc to all the bots in JQ, they now have too many targets to choose from. Last night was in a match with 6 bots on my team and 5 on the luxons and we had to laugh as this luxon derv(real player) was running around being chased by a minion which itself was being chased by his 5 bot team mates.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

What is this supposed to achieve? If you want a flux that's not really supposed to do much then don't put one in.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Outside of GvG and HA the monthly Flux is so irrelevant because, at the minute, the bots, leechers and leavers are what decide the outcomes of matches.

If only there were GMs.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenomortis View Post
What is this supposed to achieve? If you want a flux that's not really supposed to do much then don't put one in.
I think the point of fluxes is just to mix things up a bit and provide some interesting circumstances to play in. Up until now (this is my opinion btw), the fluxes have been pretty boring and more detrimental than interesting (with the exception of the movement speed flux). I, for one, like this flux - especially when compared to the godawful flux from last month.

cormac ap dunn

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Scarlet View Post
LOL, gotta love this new flux. It's causing havoc to all the bots in JQ, they now have too many targets to choose from. Last night was in a match with 6 bots on my team and 5 on the luxons and we had to laugh as this luxon derv(real player) was running around being chased by a minion which itself was being chased by his 5 bot team mates.
I have to say, this alone makes this flux worth while!, watched all the JQ bots last night go buckwild on their new minion friends. Minions + Wastrels= Dead Bots!

HigherMinion

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn View Post
I have to say, this alone makes this flux worth while!, watched all the JQ bots last night go buckwild on their new minion friends. Minions + Wastrels= Dead Bots!
I was in JQ earlier and noticed this made things easier for bots... All they do is run into the centre of the shrine, blow up; rinse/repeat.

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenomortis View Post
What is this supposed to achieve? If you want a flux that's not really supposed to do much then don't put one in.
It's only a matter of time until:

Flux Effect: Saving Grace
- Whenever you have 30 or less health, if you use an elite skill on any foe, you gain 400 health and +10 armor against elemental damage for the next two minutes.

Soulfire Ninja

Soulfire Ninja

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

Green Ambition (GOD)

A/

I loooooooove this flux and so appropriate have on the month of Halloween. Kill a foe and a minion (or zombie) rises from the dead to eat your third leg! I really love it! Lol!

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

HAHAHAHA I just went through the Academy from pre to post. This poor level 2 elementalist got spiked to death and then the minion apocalypse wiped out the rest of his party. It was hillarious until he resigned and then an army of level 20 minions came after me and my party. I wish I had taken a screen shot.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Why hasn't anyone posted about EoE yet?

Vincent Evan

Vincent Evan

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

Ancestral Lands

Dont Rage [シシ]

A/W

This Flux would be a lot more interesting if anything that died summed a minion.

resmer

resmer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Like every killed minion summoning another minion? :3

Vincent Evan

Vincent Evan

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

Ancestral Lands

Dont Rage [シシ]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by resmer View Post
Like every killed minion summoning another minion? :3
Yes, or npcs.

HigherMinion

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Evan View Post
Yes, or npcs.
Would make JQ very interesting... More game changing than it is now; minion damage is pitiful

ErrantVenture

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2010

Social Darwinism [SaD]

A/W

The only real significance to this flux is that it allows water eles to take Eremite's Zeal over Water Attunement and get more reliable emanagement at stand. Monks can take eremites as well if they don't anticipate needing balanced/dark escape

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
Why hasn't anyone posted about EoE yet?
Because the range on the damage-on-death is low enough that it doesn't make eoe-bombing any more viable than it was before.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

I feel like this flux would be a bit less unfun if minions didn't desync people as frequently.

Shen Al Cahar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2011

[Tree]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Minion Apocalypse

Any time a player dies, all nearby creatures are struck for 50 damage and a level 20 masterless bone horror is spawned.
Now I wonder why they count as an ally, cause my hoto didnt go off twice when used on a target with a minion next to it...

But then again, gvg kinda seems buggy, wastrells didnt go of twice as well (in two different matches) when used on a person not using a skill (100% sure about this). However I'm not sure if it was just the kd animation not showing (I didnt try wc -> falling lotus), or just the kd not going thru at all.

Also, wtf is up with obs mode? When just now, I tried to observe our last played match, it showed all kinds of weird stuff none of the three ppl watching it could remember, at all. It even showed our ranger dying at a moment where he 5 sec later (in the real match) saved my ass by mend touching me, which I remember vividly cause it not only saved my butt, but also allowed us to push their flagger . So ye, some weird shit going on here...

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

I'm just looking forward to someone getting killed by a Bone Horror during the MAT Final when they otherwise would have lived.

Tactical-Dillusions

Tactical-Dillusions

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Grimsby, UK

R/

Not sure why fluxs' aren't more powerful. This minion bomb stuff could be more powerful, for laughs. I had some fun with the extra health last month, but i disliked the armour reduction.

I'd really push the boat out if i was in charge... i'd let MM's have 30 minions. Let Rangers have 3 pets. Monk enchants no upkeep cost for first three maintainable enchants. No exhaustion on any elementalist spells. Warriors have +4 energy regen.
Dervishs get attribute points equivalent of a level 24. All paragon shouts cause weakness and blind to foes in the area for ten seconds. Ritualists spirits can walk/float and follow the rit, like minions. Mesmers get equivalent of 16 points fast casting for free, so could have three near-full attribute lines. Assassins get 3 mirror selfs, like that cool frost mage skill on WoW (not sure if that still exists, not played since pre cata).

Failing that, remove all energy costs on all skills, but limit maintainable enchantments to a certain level.

God help you all if i was a Dev! Haha.

I'm looking forward to next months already tbh.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
I feel like this flux would be a bit less unfun if minions didn't desync people as frequently.
Are you talking about minion-induced rubber banding? That's been an issue for quite a few folks.

I'm a bid of a radical in that I think collision should be removed from GW entirely OR they fix this rubberbanding problem altogether.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

That's because minions are too big and tend to stand where the guy died..

That means, sometimes you can just be bodyblocked forever, considering even if you die, there will be a minion which won't move( i.e what we had yesterday, julyia got stucked in corner because of terrible IA, and then once they realized the minion poped after stucked her again, they just went on....)

An other issue is the damage : they do deal negligeable damages on 8v8 or more formats, but however it's getting a bit harsh in RA, especially if you consider minions decide to attack no-healer team....
Besides, it's just terrible in JQ/FA as npc's got low health and die to 4-5 minions...

cormac ap dunn

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

This Flux has achieved something more then just entertainment, its made the bots so obvious and even less effective then they have ever been...
Nothing is as entertaining in JQ as camping the Yellow stairs on Lux and blowing up all the bots stuck at the spawn, creating a domino effect of: fallen bot, minion, fallen bot more minions, fallen bot, MINION WAVES, fallen bot....
Then just nuking the crap out of them and watching more spawn into the Chaos brought on by their own misguided attempt at cheating the game!
MORE CHAOS, MORE DEAD BOTS, MORE FACTION FOR ALL!!!!!!
/end maniacal rant

HigherMinion

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

N/

Maybe more Curses necros will start using MoP/Barbs in PvP?

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HigherMinion View Post
Maybe more Curses necros will start using MoP/Barbs in PvP?
Unlikely. Not being able to control minion targets makes them kind of unreliable, and their attack speed is very low anyway.

chuckles79

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

FILA

P/

People noticed that they were playing hell with the bots. Besides being appropriate for Halloween, maybe they've brought in an intern to nuke all the bot accounts in JQ (we can only pray)

cormac ap dunn

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckles79 View Post
People noticed that they were playing hell with the bots. Besides being appropriate for Halloween, maybe they've brought in an intern to nuke all the bot accounts in JQ (we can only pray)
Its Halloween, not Christmas!
But it would be nice to see a little more of Dhuum this holiday season