Mass Bannings?

The developers did. And then the people who like to grind whined until we got titles. The reputation titles really don't provide significant benefits at higher levels than they do at lower levels -- the only ones who'd really care are the ones who'd need them for grindy things like farming or GWAMM, which is self-inflicted.

I might have agreed with you prior to the Survivor/Drunkard/LDoA update. But now it's a walk in the park to get even GWAMM with little grind.

ArenaNet has gone out of its way to please everyone -- provide titles for the natural grinders while making those same title accessible to the non-grinders.

Botters have no excuse.

Honestly, I think that most of the 3700 accounts from last year weren't PvP-related.

There's a minority of botters that run multiple accounts in parallel to make gaudy profits. I believe there was a screenshot of one showing off his wealth - something like a full storage of ecto, a Kanaxai, and a new computer in the span of a couple of months?

Do you think that there's something less morally acceptable about what they're doing?

The problem is not with pve, it is with pvp, you shouldn't let them bot in pvp.

Mixed feelings here. At the start of the week I was enjoying 10-0, 10-1 regularly with no wait times in JQ with the majority of bots seemingly on Luxon side (unless I was just lucky). Now wait times are up and I'm actually having to work my butt off whilst having an enjoyable 10-9, 9-10 when I get a game.
So feel free to insert an in/equality of your choice here:

Banning comes in waves because looking for bots takes investigating. So a list is made from reports from the community to checking the data. When an official list of known bots hits the plateau... BAM! Grenth comes out for the night of the living dead.

If you are truly wrongfully put on a ban list it is possible to get off of it.

Mine sweeper, solitare, 52 card pick up are all boring games... are there bots for those?

If the game is so boring why play? People don't bot in a game they don't like to play... they bot because they want instant admiration and attention from people that do play.. without having to actually do anything.... or commit copyright infringment for money... but on a individual basis.. its usually the first reason


Once again why would you want rewards in a game you dont like to play... Theres no reason you need any titles or massive wealth in this game to play... you can just not play the parts of the game you don't like.... unless you have alternate reasons for wanting rewards like stated above. Blaming the developers is like blaming a steriod junkie blaming the sports assosiation for not making it easier for him to set records... just doesn't make since unless your expecting everything to just be handed to you.


Are we really compairing the game to a job? I was under the impression games were for playing and fun... not to create monitary needs in which to spend your money on so you can eleminate some game time.

The guy using real world money for game presige that doesnt require the use of real world money. Kind of like buying a hooker because you don't enjoy going on a dates and making that effort to woo a woman. Except its even sadder because its a virtual world. Don't play games that feel like work.... Unless your since of fulfillment is recognition in a game you don't like to play.

The game is just a game, you can play the entire content once and enjoy the story... there is nothing that says you MUST complete titles and accomplishments to play... You can stop playing as soon as it stops being fun... as i said before people bot/RMT because they want the virtual glory but don't have the virtual guts.

That's because those are single player games.

If there was a competitive online minesweeper game, then I guarantee that somebody, somewhere would write a bot program for it and then bot for weeks on end so they could be on the top of the leaderboards.

You want the real reason? Because it has an audience. Any MMO with more than one person playing on it will have somebody, somewhere will care about titles, player rank, and loot. Once you get an audience then there's going to be somebody, somewhere that will try to exploit the system to get all of it with no effort.

Also, many younger gamers simply don't care about hard work and time investment in a video game because there's so many avenues for entertainment. In other words, when you can go almost anywhere for instant gratification, then playing some grind-oriented goal becomes a pointless endeavor and they'll just turn to bots or Chinese gold farmers.

One study measured how often the average gamer completes a game. It is something like 25 percent. You can look at the statistics on sites like Steam and see that it's true that more than half of the gamers don't even bother finishing a game they bought. My point is, people's attention spans are so short nowadays that they just want to get all the stuff in their game and move to the next item. Ever heard of gamers that buy games that they don't even play? I have seen more than one person admit it. One of my closest friends even bought a game that he had no desire to ever play. He bought it anyway because it had--and I quote--A COOL TITLE. If that doesn't show how capricious some people are, then I don't know what does.

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In a completely unrelated note, I think that it says a lot when ArenaNet has reversed wrongful bans. In other words, it is possible to play Guild Wars in a way where an active moderator can't tell the difference between a real player and a bot program. I don't know if that says more about the intelligence of the bots, or about how much grind is inherent to the game. You'd think that the only way to be accused of being a bot is to do something over and over and over and over for hours at a time.