Fort Aspenwood Point Difference

Markaedw

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

I play a lot of FA, and when you play both sides you get a point difference:

Kurzicks get 30 points for every percentage of the progression bar +1000 for a win, so a total of 4000 points per victory.

Luxons get 500 points per gate broken + 1000 points for a win, so a total of 3500 per victory.

So I suggest an additional 250 points per gatekeeper to even the points out.

chuckles79

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

FILA

P/

Even as a Kurzick, I like that idea.

/signed

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Agreed.
It will also make people who want full points do a little more than usual, as I've noticed lately very few people bother with the gatekeepers and just try to spike Gunthar.

Wyndy

Wyndy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

in the know

Chronic Chaos

N/Me

/signed, not sure why there is a point difference anyway.

Queen Of Recovery

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

Belgium

Belgian Geeks and Freaks

Mo/

/signed seems fair

Outerworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

UK

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

W/

Would make sense.

/signed

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

/signed

There should not be a point difference. Gate keepers must count.

I Rahavan I

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2011

Shadow Cats [Cats]

Mo/Me

/sign now I actually have to think about who to heal/prot when in FA in sted of proting gunter

Yol

Yol

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

GameAmp Guides [AMP]

E/

Blimey, a decent suggestion in Sardelac. Just when I was starting to give up hope....

/signed

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Contrary to popular belief, as a Luxon, you ARE allowed to win before the timer runs out.

ultimak719

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2011

Maryland

Gods of Legendary Destroyers [GOLD]

A/

Quote:
Contrary to popular belief, as a Luxon, you ARE allowed to win before the timer runs out.
Yes, but the point is, that if the kurzicks win, they get 4000 points, whereas if the luxons win, they get 3500. Regardless of whether or not the luxons win before the timer finishes, they still get less faction per win. Now that I think about it, with this system the kurz could get more points than lux and still lose...

/signed

M3G

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
Contrary to popular belief, as a Luxon, you ARE allowed to win before the timer runs out.
Kurzicks can too. If they bring enough amber directly to Gunther the timer will runs out faster. So Kurz can win before the 10 mins mark.


/Signed for 4000 factions

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

The problem with the area is having two sides doing different things.

The area should have been 'MOBA' style, with both sides sending units to the other side, and both sides having something to protect.

Now it's probably too late for such a change, so we'll have to make do with things like this one.

Aviator The Hunter

Aviator The Hunter

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

Finding It Really Easy [FIRE]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
Contrary to popular belief, as a Luxon, you ARE allowed to win before the timer runs out.
I totally agree with Upier, you can win in a couple of minutes with the Luxons, with an advantage of non-healed damage, so as much as you fight faster, you win earlier.. But at the Kurzick side, if you keep all gates closed, gotta wait till bar.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviator The Hunter View Post
I totally agree with Upier, you can win in a couple of minutes with the Luxons, with an advantage of non-healed damage, so as much as you fight faster, you win earlier.. But at the Kurzick side, if you keep all gates closed, gotta wait till bar.
But for that reason, the Luxons get far more leechers. Much of the problems with FA can be alleviated by addressing these leech bots directly instead of delegating the responsibility to the players with the foolish /report feature.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviator The Hunter View Post
I totally agree with Upier, you can win in a couple of minutes with the Luxons, with an advantage of non-healed damage, so as much as you fight faster, you win earlier.. But at the Kurzick side, if you keep all gates closed, gotta wait till bar.
You can close the gate behind you as a Kurzick...

I don't see why anyone would oppose this. It's not like you lose any faction if you're playing Kurzick and they kill the gatekeepers; Luxons just get a bit more.

Zakarr

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

Luxon has chance to win a lot earlier and Kurzick rarely has luxury to go for refined amber mine or even normal ones so often that they could win more quickly.

I would suggest to add 250 faction per keeper kill and reduce victory reward by 500 faction. That way especially Gunther pullers/spikers benefit a little less. I'm playing mostly Luxon side because of fast wins and it feels kinda unfair.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakarr View Post
I would suggest to add 250 faction per keeper kill and reduce victory reward by 500 faction. That way especially Gunther pullers/spikers benefit a little less.
Nah.
The Luxon need to get less points because they can win much faster, but they also need to get the massive bulk of those points for taking down the gates because of the Kurzick monk problem. The last thing you want to do is reduce the Luxon rewards for the games that they can't win (due to the inherent imbalance of the map).

If anything, I'd increase the number of points you get for taking down the outer gates and decrease the number of points you get for completing other objectives (while still keeping the rule of the Luxon getting less points overall). That doesn't change anything for the games in which the Luxon win in the 1/3 of the time but it does raise the fairness level for the games in which the Kurzick roll 5 monks and there's no chance that the Luxon can even breach the Green gate.