Replacing Avira Antivirus

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

As Avira users may already know, Avira partnered with malware/crapware companies ask.com and uniblue awhile back and started offering the $%*$@ ask toolbar as part of the install. This wasn't a big problem, since you could just decline to install the malware. Well, that's changed. The latest version of Avira installs a background process that checks to see if you've got the toolbar, and offers to install it if you don't. Additionally, Avira delete-protects this malware process. (All this is just that much more ironic given that Avira used to detect the same toolbar they're pushing now as the malware that it really is.)

So, I'm thinking it's time to ditch Avira for another antivirus. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Per av-comparatives.org, G-Data and Panda seem like strong candidates. Does anyone have any experience with either of them?

(FYI: In case anyone wants to know how to delete the delete-protected ask.com malware, here's how: (1) Open avira, configuration, check the box for "expert mode," general, security, uncheck the box for "protect files and registry entries from manipulation." (2) Now you can delete ApnStub.exe, ApnToolbarInstaller.exe, and ApnIC.dll from the <programs folder>\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\ directory. (3) Reverse step 1 then reboot to restore delete-protection for the legitimate Avira files.)

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

Microsoft Security Essentials is pretty much all you need.

hahahi20

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

The Netherlands

Dutch Flaweless [DL]

D/

avast anti-virus is a really good virus scanner, i am using it for years now, never had any problems, on my other pc I have AVG a really great virus scanner to. both are free

www.avast.com
www.avg.com

drowze

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

SaGa

N/

Avast is pretty good, but I like avg better.
Now I've been using MSE for about a year and never had any problems with it.
Don't take my word for it, because I'm no expert, but I think MSE is also pretty light on resources.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

Used both Avast and AVG. Both good. I like Avast a tad better.

And scan with Malware Bytes free edition once a week.

Cuilan

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

I liked Avast enough to have eventually bought the paid version. It has a silent mode and a pleasant default interface.

SpyderArachnid

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

Me/

Avast is a fav here. Used it enough that I just got the paid version. No hassle or anything.

Chiliad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2011

United Kingdom

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel View Post
Microsoft Security Essentials is pretty much all you need.
Agreed, I use it too.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I think avast / AVG. AVG is lighter on resources faster to scan with though, iirc but it has a bit lower detection rate.

Avast for lower resource use, AVG to on-demand scan I guess.

MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) has a lower false positive than either due to being from MS.

Merciless Crusader

Merciless Crusader

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2011

Canada

The Legion Of Crusaders [OWN]

D/Rt

I use Avast also, along with the paid version of Malware Bytes, and my Puters been clean as a whistle for as long as I can remember...

Just my 2 Cents

Of course decent browsing habits go a long way to a clean system too.

Gladiator Steven

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2010

United States

R/Mo

avast! is my personal choice.

Bristlebane

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

Been switching between AVG and Avast. I do like both of them it's hard to decide a real favorite. Right now I run AVG and it's running quietly in the background.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

a few years ago I had avg...then everyone was singing the praises of kapersky, avast and avira (and how bad avg was) ....so when my 2 years was up I started looking around...I tried avira..was not impressed, nor was I happy with kapersky....so right now I just renewed my avast...not the best one I have used, but better than most.....(have yet to look into panda or nod32...but have heard good things about both---)

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel View Post
Microsoft Security Essentials is pretty much all you need.
This. Exactly this.

Sadly, avast and AVG offer browsers and/or toolbars.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

I also swapped from Avira to Microsoft Security Essentials. Runs good, never seems to slow down my computer.

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

I think I'll look into MSE, I have always used nod32 and have no issues, lighter resource use is big for me.

Bristlebane

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

I'm gonna change to Avast soon since it seems to have a generally good score on av.comparatives.org, but then I'll run it in permanent gaming mode because all the constant popups just to tell you "all is well" is annoying.

Question though .. permanent gaming/silent mode.. I assume it will still tell me if there's any serious threats like an actual virus?

Draca

Draca

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2011

Sweden

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel View Post
Microsoft Security Essentials is pretty much all you need.
if we are talking free AV then i fully agree

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

Just dumped my ISPs security software and moved to Microsoft security essentials.
Initially I got the blue screen of death thanks to windows deciding to update while I was installing mse.

All running fine now and I am now relying on mse windows firewall and my router firewall to protect the system.

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

MSE is excellent and lightweight. Its a sad fact of life that no matter what, a paid-for program with a free version is going to make its free version suck more and more as time goes on. Not just antivirus, its true for every program that tries to split along that line.

As with all antivirus questions, I feel compelled to give a reminder: Antivirus has a near-zero detection rate against viruses that you install yourself. Statistically the average infection is from a user running lolcats.avi.exe or something, try not to do that stuff.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunder View Post
MSE is excellent and lightweight. Its a sad fact of life that no matter what, a paid-for program with a free version is going to make its free version suck more and more as time goes on. Not just antivirus, its true for every program that tries to split along that line.

As with all antivirus questions, I feel compelled to give a reminder: Antivirus has a near-zero detection rate against viruses that you install yourself. Statistically the average infection is from a user running lolcats.avi.exe or something, try not to do that stuff.
Well said, I prefer my system to work on the principle of if in doubt deny access rather than accept if its not on a list of suspect files.
That's why I liked Avast.
Most of the time when my virus scan finds problems its either in the temporary internet files or a cookie.

I only access the internet through a user account not an admin one.

Browse with firefox and have noscript, ghostery and adblock plus installed.
Sometimes its a pain and it may be ott but I feel safer.

Wenspire

Wenspire

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2008

USA - W.Coast

HiME

Mo/

I run MSE and AVG on separate PCs, along with paid Malwarebyte's. Whatever you end up running, I would highly recommend picking up Malwarebyte's considering it has free lifetime updates. I think most of the things that people get hit with is usually from the browsing of bad website links rather than running an infected program.


Just my $0.02...

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Never run two or more antivirus programs on the same machine. You only ever need one.

Wenspire

Wenspire

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2008

USA - W.Coast

HiME

Mo/

To clarify, I run MSE on one PC and AVG on a second PC. On both, I also run Malwarebytes which does not conflict with the AV programs.

Merciless Crusader

Merciless Crusader

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2011

Canada

The Legion Of Crusaders [OWN]

D/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarun View Post
This. Exactly this.

Sadly, avast and AVG offer browsers and/or toolbars.

This is true, but remember all you have to do is uncheck or decline said browser/toolbar and job done.

I used Nod32 in the earlier days and it was my preferred AV but since it's become a "Security Suite" I find it bloated and slower.
Since then I've used only avast on all my systems and any systems I've worked on.

also for those who recommend MSE don't forget to take into account not everyone is as legitimate as you or I and may be running bootlegged Windows and as MSE uses MS update... need I say more?

Edit: Comparison Video for MSE & Avast 6 Detections: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AzWIYvl39Y

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

If you run pirated Windows, it's your own fault and you will receive zero assistance here.

Merciless Crusader

Merciless Crusader

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2011

Canada

The Legion Of Crusaders [OWN]

D/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarun View Post
If you run pirated Windows, it's your own fault and you will receive zero assistance here.
Agreed of course, I was just stating... MSE may not be feasible for some folk.

I still stick to my first recommendation of Avast with paid Malware bytes for the real time protection.

inti melch eye

inti melch eye

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2011

The level 300 Dervish from Ascalon

D/W

Personally the way I have Avira set up on my machine I don't have any issues.