Paid primary profession change

As title says i'd like the option for a primary profession change, not sure how it will work but they did it with Razah.


It's something I want very badly because im bored out of my mind with my current main character but I don't want to create another because of all the titles I have on my main.

I'd probably pay $10 to change it if I got bored.
/signed, optional changes wouldn't hurt.

This would be extremely difficult to code I imagine.. what would you do with all the armor, weapons, etc customized to your current profession?

Plus if it costs $15 to change a name it would probably cost the price of a full mercenary pack to change a profession

what about the skills u have on the old profession...wiped and changed to the new ...no...its impossible and has been suggested before as a pack....make a new profession and stop QQing.

/unsigned out of complication and it will NEVER EVER happen

Mostly if you are bored by one prof, you can buy extra slot and make a new toon.
But your GWAMM has all elites and large number of skills of that proffesion, so this would save you time spent on the new toon.
It's a good idea and it's possible.
Everything customazed to that toon remains customized, you just don't benefint from having some staves or swords.
About the armor, it would remain if possible (rit,sin,derv and para can't wear all armors), but prof specific runes and insignias would be removed.
Just like with Razah.

/Signed, despite I'd never use this

This is just an assumption.

As far as we know, it could be not as easy as it sounds, and there are many technical difficulties I can think of that make me believe it's not as simple as you make it.

While this can be done for Razah, Razah doesn't change appearence, armor set, animations, so it's relatively easy and, still, it took years for them to implement it.

EDIT - Now, I'm assuming that this suggestion involves a complete makeover to make the character look like a representative of the new profession you chose. Like, you're brought back to Character Creation Screen and prompted to redesign your character from grounds up as if you were making a new character of that profession, but at the end of the process you retain all his/her vital aspects (experience, titles, deaths, ecc...) and (converted, when possible) armors and items. We don't know wether this is feasible or not, nor the technical limitations of the game engine. Im' pretty sure this would require some HUGE work to be implemented...

If it doesn't involve a makeover, simply /not signed: it would create a lot of confusion in PvP, pretty much like costumes.

It'd be broken. But given the amount of people with GWAMM monks who run Healer's Boon /Healing Breeze; rits who only have SoS, and the amount of sins who only use Shadow Form, I don't see any reason why not.

Probably $15-20 like name change though, not $10 like appearance.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Razah#Profession_change

Seeing as how any character can in fact have all skills, in fact there is a title track (Skill Hunter) for this very purpose, I don't see why it would be necessary to wipe skills. It doesn't even make logical sense.

Seeing as how its possible for ANet to change sex of characters at any time as an April Fools' joke, it shows that its easy to adapt armor to whatever primary profession you are.

Runes would have to be salvaged off, but that takes all of 30 seconds, and weapons that have been customized would stay that way. Besides, how many Mesmers do you see running around with sword and spears? Tons because they're "caster" modded.

So from a logical perspective, there is absolutely no reason ANet couldn't do this, and all the coding necessary is already in place. Quite the opposite of impossible, and since the system already exists, its basically another microtransaction requiring extremely minimal effort to put in the store, and boom, yet another revenue stream for little to no input from ANet.

That's something that is already coded into the game they didn't have to do anything (notice how armor changes to the opposite sex appearance in storage if you switch to a character of the opposite sex). You wouldn't be able to keep the armor sets because they are completely different armors in most cases. Getting a new character through every campaign takes like what a week? This thread isn't about people who actually want to change their profession it's about people who want to display titles on their characters. I'll just refer you to the billions of threads about making gwamm an account wide title.
/Notsigned

That is... Unless you're saying I could have LDOA on a Paragon

Just leave it as it is, so if you had Warrior Primeval armor it would still be Warrior Primeval armor like how it is when you transfer your armor between characters. Can see, cannot wear.

/unsigned, mostly because the primary prof is what really define your character actually.
And as said, you'd have to re-do the char creation? if you're wearing an armor incompatible with other prof (from monk eith luxon armor to para e.g) what will happen? and you'll have the old weaponset, maybe customized, become useless?


Just no. In GW the PRIMARY prof is waayy too important to be subject of change.

/signed

I've been waiting for someone to bring this up!
Make it not cheap however, $15.
And a one time only change.

For all skills related to the primary profession, wipe them.
Like they did with Razah, remove any runes on armor that have to deal with the primary profession.

Implement new armors for the primary profession

E.g. If I have a ranger with obsidian armor and want a primary elementalist, make the obsidian armor obsidian elementalist armor.

/unsigned
you got all those titles playing that profession and you should stick with it, if you're bored with it start a new one and achieve stuff running that primary.

As far as the lore goes, they did change Thackaray from a ranger to a paragon so in the "universe" of GW, it could happen. I play a billion characters anyway so it wouldn't interest me but I wouldn't have a problem implementing the feature for those who might want it.

And what would be the take on armor? Would it be converted in the process? What about the armor that doesn't have an equalivant like the silver eagle or exotic? Seems like too much work to program. Just pay 10 bucks for another character slot. If you have skills unlocked, you can get them again. Isn't that the main purpose of skill books? Plus, most of the PVE only skills are easy enough to reobtain.

This is just trying to cure symptoms. If they would just make all pve titles and skills account wide, it wouldn't be such a pita to make a new toon. You'd obviously have to unlock them or something. Couldn't have lvl 1 toons running around with maxed vanguard skills. But this would make it easier for people considering making a new character a lot less painful. I believe it would also bring a lot of people back.

The better fix would be to make more/most titles at least partially account wide.

You people are just lazy if you really want a title under your character name that noone is ever going to look at just go do it. Titles show that you have actually done something on your character, not that you beat factions 4 years ago on a dervish you made yesterday.

There was a thread sometime ago where an individual asked for a PvE toon much like a PvP toon, where you make a character that has everything unlocked at level 20; towns , outposts, the like. His idea was that then he could try builds and farms without having to do anything to get to those places. This thread is essentially the exact same thing. As i recall that thread ended with a resounding /NOTSIGNED. OP, make a new character, If the titles are so important on your main, well, they aren't going anywhere. Here is the only option you have: PLAY THE GAME.
Want a title? Earn it, on THAT CHARACTER. Want all your elite armors? BUY THEM ON THAT CHARACTER. Too lazy to be bothered? PLAY ANOTHER GAME.
I think its about time these players that can't be bothered to do what the game was intended to do try something that works in their favor, PLAY SOMETHING YOU LIKE. Stop asking for a completely different game, save the time , the energy, and most of all valuable server space, and try something that fits what you are looking for. Innumerable games are going free to play, finding something that fits what you are looking for is way easier then asking for an overhaul of whats just fine in this one.
So that's a massive /notsigned

How'd you earn your titles? Did you do any faction fast faction farming, wurms, speedbooking?

GRINDING 101:
Speed booking is how lots of people max their titles. FFF was the main way of getting kurz/lux titles maxed. Its sad that people were forced to grind it out or paid for titles. 100's of wurm runs etc are really lame imo especially since it's only to raise their pve skills level. Not like you can lose at any mish or run. It's mindless. A monkey could be trained to do it.

Decision makers at arenanet dont get it. They want to see how many hoops they can make us jump thru to keep people playing instead making the game fun. THEY SAID NO GRIND AND THAT'S ALL THEY GAVE US. That's why the OP is willing to shell out 10 bucks to change his main.

I'd like to see titles get maxed in the natural course of the game. NM/HM finish all quests and missions = maxed titles. It would encourage people to make new toons and get them quickly up to speed. Is this a bad idea? It would still take time and effort, but not nearly the grind.

I couldn't work at arenanet cuz I would have got fired when they said things like 10 million factions, 10,000 minutes, and other excessive bs grind. I'd have asked... and why again are we RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing our customers and then been fired.

And how long do you think people would have played this game if they got everything as soon as they beat the campaigns? That's right, you actually have to make achievements exactly that! An Achievement not just a reward for completion of regular content. Titles were designed to let the player feel as though they did something that required an investment in the game, and thus a reason to come back. You are certainly right about getting fired, frankly, any company that wants a returning player base wants you to have a reason to play. Part of the success of GW is that we all had a reason to come back. And here we are 7 years later still playing. Play virtually any other game and come back to me and tell me that this one is a grind. I promise you would be singing a different tune.

i made my avatar in protest of the 10k minutes drunkard title. what happened to that? do you have that title too? do it b4 or after update?


yeah i'd have gotten fired and then they'd have changed it and thought we shoulda just listened to him from the get-go.

Out of curiosity, did you farm any of your own drunkard points? sweet tooth? party animal? Do you think that perhaps as a reward for completing a campaign you be given 3,333 points in each? see my point? If you have ever done a single thing in this game repeatedly , be it farming points, items or gold, by the logic you applied, that's grinding. And yet, I would wager wood planks to ectos that you have farmed something, without complaining of a grind, when you received a reward for it. One mans grind is another mans game-play. Tonics, Titles, Minipets, Dyes, Weapon Skins, all those things are what drive gameplay. Give everyone a Mini Dhuum, and guess what? Everyone would say they were useless, crappy, terrible looking. Take all but 3 out of the game, and the majority of people would view them as the single greatest thing placed in any game ever... Give every monk a set of Obby( guess thats almost accurate anyway) and people would throw it away. Give everyone a maxed set of titles for faction, merely by completing Factions, and people would laugh at anyone displaying it.

Superbad idea that completely defeats creating new characters and playing the game, let a lone it being impossible anyway, keep dreaming though.

If such a thing were to happen I'd imagine you'd be kicked to the character creation screen to recreate your characters look, any armor you'd be wearing would be moved to your inventory, and you'd be given basic armor that would pertain to your level. But I have no idea how hard it would be to code or if it were even doable.

Actually I got my titles almost just through normal gameplay. See I did not need to max the eotn rep titles before I had finished master of the north. By the time I was legendary master of the north.... guess what... rep titles done too. Might have filled one extra book, nothing more.
Same with LB and SS, no reason to max them before I had vanquisher and guardian, finished those and those were pretty much maxed too.
Survivor was a little bit grind, but I lessened the grindy feel by doing different things (fow, zaishen quests and books)
Sweet, party and drunk did require farming, but limiting it to event times made it less grindy too. And yes I got drunkard before the update, and actually liked it, no regret whatsoever although I finished mere days before the change.
So it is really not that much more grind than what you make it to be.

On topic... I'm not sure about how it would work, most likely it is not going to happen ever. Would not use it either as I already made a character of each profession. I can sortof see where you are coming from and it could be done in an interesting way with a 'lifechaging' quest. I would not be 100% against this. But I do find it very unlikely to happen and not at all necessary.

I think some people are over-thinking this.

Not everyone plays from 7 AM to 11 PM, you know. Some of us play for a couple hours each week, if we're L-U-C-K-Y. So when you have to consolidate all your titles into one character, trust me, that character ends up getting really, really boring. It doesn't matter if it's ranger, mesmer, monk, that profession will become boring.

I /sign this idea.
I don't think it would too bad. 15 dollars sounds reasonable, I think some of us are that desperate. So desperate, we won't mind if,
* Your armor goes to your inventory, and you are given the beginner's armor in the smallest rating.
* You keep all your current skills, your primary becomes your secondary, and you get the beginner skills for that profession. Heck, you can even get a beginner's weapon, I guess.
* Your character gets the equivalent look (hair style #2, hair color #6, face #2, skin color #5, same height and gender), and it defaults to #1 where there is no match.
If you want a different look, you can shell out the money for that.

Why are some people so threatened by this idea? How does it even hurt YOU?

Lets start with something minor, shall we? Say you get your character with all its titles. Boredom sets in and you decide to go to ToA for some low pressure fun, but OOPS no favor, why? People stop getting titles, guess we better ask for the devs to code in some favor. Its ok, there is always something else to do right? I mean its boredom that got you the new class right? Lets do DoA on your freshly rolled character shall we? lets waltz in with our new character and join a group doing FR. Everyone gets going and OOPS your on your face doing the dirty dirty with the soil, Why? You haven't learned a thing about the class you just rolled, and thus can't play it as proficiently as someone who actually played the class to that point in the game. But but but, Anet should make those areas easier, because i just paid cash to get this leet new character to the point in the game its never been before! Heres how this should play out, and tell me if you think this sounds reasonable,k?
you get your titles to carry over , EXCEPT no skills, no armor, 0 skill points, a complete wipe of all areas you have been on the original character,0 earned PvE only skills(remember its just titles you get) just some HoM points that would be there for GW2 without having to remove the original character to begin with

Does the OP realize that all those titles are still in your account wether you can wear them or not?

This thread is useless everyone that wants this to pass just wants to be able to display titles on a character that didn't actually get those titles. Please start a new thread asking for what you actually want(account wide titles) instead of a paid primary profession change.

This isn't the account-wide-titles thread, it's the profession change thread

Well, I've been playing almost six years, and I don't even have a character with all titles :-) I'm finally working on Protector and Guardian titles! But... once I have all the titles I want, on that one character, I'll probably quit. I want the titles for HoM, not to brag about my lack of life. If I really wanted to brag about having no life, then I SUPPOSE I might do all titles with all characters.

Eventually anet will change how favor works. They'll have no choice. Are people out there really maxing titles on all characters? Really? How about going outside for fresh air? I have all the character slots, and none of my non-main characters have max titles, besides my elementalist, with whom I grinded Sunspear and Lightbringer. And I will NEVER do that again.

Well, then go and learn your new character before going to elite areas. No one is stopping you.

This has nothing to do with the topic. If you're a gimme-gimme whiny baby, that's your problem.

OK. As long as the titles transfer even if they are not already maxed. I'm assuming the quests and missions would be wiped fresh too. That sounds good to me because I can keep working on my titles with a new profession.

You mean if you delete the character? Not if the titles aren't maxed yet.

I agree completely. I don't actually have a problem with humans lowering themselves to mindless machines, but why did they have to make titles make skills stronger and add absurd amounts of expensive consumable buffs? There is no fairness left in PvE - exactly the opposite of what they promised!

Soon people will be asking for the ability to by titles from the ingame store.
"Legendary Vanquisher for $25, maxed eotn ranks pack now only $29,99 for all 4!"

/unsigned

I respect your opinion to not sign, it's fine with me however i've been playing this game religiously from day one. The fact to the matter is that titles come with a bonus that makes you're character better.

Now I just hope that everyone understands that I do not feel like putting 8 straight hours of a specific farm to raise a title to it's maximum so my second character who needs the maxed title can get into groups again. That is after putting 8 hours of straight farming into the main character for the sake of him having the title so I can add it to HoM.


Making title's account wide would solve the problem too and it would make profession changing less of a priority but this way it's also benificial to ArenaNet (hence me suggesting it)

Paid Primary profession change would earn ArenaNet money whereas account based titles would be free of charge and should be included in an update.


Telling me to play a different game is a totally constructive post and comparing this idea to an instant level 20 PvE character is baffling to say the least because they cannot be compared. If i've already put all the effort into achieving everything there is to do on one character why would I have to do it all over again? It wouldn't give me a sense of accomplishment but more a feeling of duty and requirement rather than optional.

Paid primary profession feature would be completely optional, you want it? you pay for it. If you don't want it then don't buy it?

As for lore reasons NPC's have been known to change professions, Keiran Thackeray starts out as a playable Ranger (I verified this by doing the mini mission and bring out the atb menu and it shows Expertise at 20 which is a Ranger primary attribute) after you unlock him he is a Paragon.

Razah's primary profession can be changed whenever you want.


I do sincerely hope that from this point forward people have constructive critism rather than, oh its sucks so no...



I myself would be prepared to pay 20 maybe even 25 euro for a primary profession change and I think it a great deal of people would too. This idea wouldn't hurt anyone, it wouldnt buff or change anything the only thing that changes is your primary profession. Lose your old abilities and get new abilities, you can keep switching aslong as you pay nothing changes except for you're primary profession.

uhhh.. ok so lets say ur Ele is ur GWAMM.. but u get bored and decide to pay 15 bucks and turn it into a Ranger.. who will keep all the titles, armor, weapons etc etc.. how does this solve the "bored" issue??.. there still wouldnt be anything left to do....

Make some new chars.. it'll give u something to do..

i guess it's weird to /notsign it cause.. well i wouldnt be wasting my money so why would i give a damn right.. but uhh.. you got 8 slots dont you?? USE THEM!

This is exactly right. You have 8 slots, you have no need to make your main into an entirely different character. You have 7 hero slots ready to be filled if it's a question of difficulty getting through the game.

I would totally love a profession change. I love my ele, but god damn, im a warrior at heart, but there is no way i am doing Carto, forking out what, 100e per consum title (Still havent finished Drunkard! Like 6000 points in?) and various other tedious tasks such as FoW armor (If our armor didnt re roll too), not counting in that ive been through each campaign about 5 times at the very least. One day, on my monk who was at beginning of Nightfall, i decided i wanted Ancient Armor. I sat down for 8 hours (Terrabad, i know ) and got from Jewel to Bone Palace without skipping anything. I hate Nightfall...With a passion, from that day onwards.

The point im trying to get to is that you play a game for enjoyment and fun. Doing things youve done a million and one times (Exceptions to this in the real world, i guess :P ) is just not fun, especially after 6+ years. I doubt this would be implemented, and in all honesty, it'd be a bit stupid to buy it so close to Guild Wars 2 as you can just re roll in that xD But yeah, its a neat idea!

Not gonna happen due to all the issues to overcome, but I'd have no problem with this. If you wanna spend $20 to change you primary go ahead, I don't give a shit. That money will hopefully go towards new content to play too, so its a win-win from my pov.

1 - If hes bored of getting titles, he isn't going to go and get more because he cant change his primary. He'll quit. At least this way ANet gets some money to work with.
2 - That's going to happen anyway as time goes on. Scrolls exist.
3 - Everyone isn't immediately going to quit alts and drop $20 per character on 3 or 4 chars so they can have a "fresh" profession. This is catering to just one subset of players who are willing to drop cash so they can dick around with a class without having to grind the campaigns/pve skills etc.

Lol, because beating a pve campaign teaches you how to play? Get a grip. NM is easy, 7 heroes exist. Plenty of retarded people can beat NF. I mean, look at all the people who can't even 1234 the keyboard in glaive-way.

Again, pve is easy. Beating games in NM or HM won't teach you shit. Otherwise all the leg vanqs would be top 100 gvg, yet there still plenty who run shit like Healing Breeze. Not only that, but if you're gonna drop $20 for a prof change, chances are you'll have sampled the profession prior in RA or w/e. Hell, even an afternoon of RA would teach you better than playing some NM pve.

It changes your gameplay, you can roll every secondary you want on your Warrior but your primary limits you to 2 pips of energy.
Changing your primary profession will open doors for everyone.

Also I have more than 8 slots and still im in need for more because I've purchased the mercenary pack which already takes in 3 of my slots.

I don't mind creating a new character I do mind doing everything all over again. If i'm going to play a new character thats the profession that I like to play I want to that profession to be my main.
It's beneficial for both ArenaNet and for the players. And if you're worried that suddenly because a Primary prof change is available to players that everyone starts to suck at that new prof they choose then really lol.

Elite area's take practice ofcourse but DoA took me 10 minutes of my time to learn how to do everything by watching youtube. Same goes for FoWSC, KathSC and SoOSC.

This idea is nothing more than a little bit of freedom to change your primary, it doesn't take anything away from the game, it doesn't make it harder or worse.


Also yes, favor will run out some time eventually have you given it any thought that when Guild Wars 2 hits people may stop playing GW massively and then who's going to gain favor to access UW and FoW?

Since this game is all but over for me I don't really care I have had a blast for five years and hope for the same or more in the next game I buy.
I suspect there is an advantage to swapping primary class to enable specific goals to be achieved easier and that this would make the game easier still.

Much is made of grinding for titles so let me comment that grinding for titles is purely a voluntary activity you cannot argue a game has grind unless you must grind to finish the basic game.
Titles and hard mode were requested by players so it seems a little mean spirited to ask for something then moan that it exists.

I do however believe that when it comes to the titles that grant powers that are by their nature are designed to make the defeat of a major adversary easier these powers should be at or near their peak when you finally engage in battle with that enemy.

To this end such titles should not have so many tiers 10 levels necessitating endless grind or finishing the game and doing the same in hard mode to get the title is plain silly.
You perform the task to get the power to defeat the enemy if the enemy is so mighty why would you go up against it with partial power with the world at stake.

I totally believe that....

Once again the only argument people have for this is that they don't want to reroll a new character and get their titles again. It takes no time at all to push a character through a campaign so just make a new character and don't bother with meaningless titles that don't benefit you at all. Get the your cartograph/consumable/vanquisher/protector/gaurdian titles on one character and just push your other characters to where you want them.

p.s. I NEVER WANT TO SEE A PARAGON WITH AN LDOA TITLE RUNNING AROUND!!!