Anyone else miss the Xunlai Tournament House?
Gladiator Steven
Lately I've been missing the Xunlai Tournament house thinking of all the fun times I had watching GvG games and determining which team would win. Generally, I would stay atop of which guilds were dominating the meta and which guilds would be rising to renown status. I understand people abused the tournament house to obtain zaishen keys and that it's better for the developers to focus on crafting the up and coming Guild Wars 2 game and I don't expect a revival of the tournament house but I would simply like to hear you're experiences and thoughts about what would happen if the tournament house were to be back? Do you think interest would increase for GvG and/or HA? Do you think people would only do it for the zaishen keys?
Elnino
I doubt the XTH ever had an influence on players to get interested in PvP. Maybe some people actually grew to like PvP because of the XTH but I'm sure that number is small compared to those that used it purely for the money. From my experience, people didn't really watch GvG and HB matches to find out who were the best guilds/players and who they would vote for etc. In my alliance, people just pm'd the players that were actually interested in PvP and asked them who they should vote for. I remember having a lot of my guildies ask me who who I picked for the top 8 for the HB mAT since I was one of the few HBers in the guild. No one really cared about the PvP aspect of the XTH (other than maybe mAT day) but only about the amount of zkeys they could get.
I'm actually glad that the XTH is gone.
I'm actually glad that the XTH is gone.
Ariena Najea
For the most part, non GvG/HB players I knew saw it as an opportunity for free ZKeys, and picked based upon the number of QPs. No one felt they really knew enough to make better guesses, even after watching obs mode.
I expect that players at the lower end of GvG would be turned off as ZKey prices would fall.
I expect that players at the lower end of GvG would be turned off as ZKey prices would fall.
FengShuiDove
I too enjoyed watching some of the matches and trying to make an educated decision before the monthlies. I haven't popped on observer mode but once or twice since XTH went away.
It's no great loss or anything, but it was a fun thing to get into. For a while it was really cool with Sabre Tooth's commentary on the videos as well
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It's no great loss or anything, but it was a fun thing to get into. For a while it was really cool with Sabre Tooth's commentary on the videos as well
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lemming
Let's be honest: the amount of casual interest in monthlies generated by the process of making predictions was approximately nil.
With that being said, was making people happy by giving them free money once a month enough to outweigh the problem of effectively providing a psuedolegitimate form of RMT?
With that being said, was making people happy by giving them free money once a month enough to outweigh the problem of effectively providing a psuedolegitimate form of RMT?
zwei2stein
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Let's be honest: the amount of casual interest in monthlies generated by the process of making predictions was approximately nil.
With that being said, was making people happy by giving them free money once a month enough to outweigh the problem of effectively providing a psuedolegitimate form of RMT? |
Not really.
esthetic
Hmm.. i dont know where some of you are getting your info.. killing Xth had a big hand in killing the GvGs.
Go back check the forums on numbers of posts on related BBS and numbers of participants of GvG from Xth days to post Xth removal.
And when is a game component that encourages a saturated player base to buy multiple copies of the game a bad thing?
Not calling for a resurrection at this point.. its a dead horse..
Go back check the forums on numbers of posts on related BBS and numbers of participants of GvG from Xth days to post Xth removal.
And when is a game component that encourages a saturated player base to buy multiple copies of the game a bad thing?
Not calling for a resurrection at this point.. its a dead horse..
lemming
I've never met anyone who even tangentially mentioned the XTH as piquing their interest in entry into GvG.
And, well, it's not from Anet that people are buying extra accounts from.
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Hmm.. i dont know where some of you are getting your info.. killing Xth had a big hand in killing the GvGs.
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Spiritz
I never took part in the xth - but players i knew who took part in the predictions only did so because of the free zkeys.
If anet tourned round at xmas and said every player who did snowmen lair would get a free bear from the end chest ( 100% chance ) then players would only do that dungeon for the bear and once done they leave it alone.
Im also sure when anet gave away the free storage panes many players bought extra accounts - both for free pane and for storage mules.
If somethings free then yes players will flock to it then leave it after , i even knew one guildie who for 6 months only came online once a month and that was to get the free keys from xth and make next months predictions.
As for killing GvG - im sure many GvGers were already on the way to leaving and with forum posts in mind many new players got put off trying GvG because of it being "serioius business" ( sorry had to say that ) and seeing match rigging or some guilds losing on purpose then taking down easy newbie gvg guilds with same ranking.
If anet tourned round at xmas and said every player who did snowmen lair would get a free bear from the end chest ( 100% chance ) then players would only do that dungeon for the bear and once done they leave it alone.
Im also sure when anet gave away the free storage panes many players bought extra accounts - both for free pane and for storage mules.
If somethings free then yes players will flock to it then leave it after , i even knew one guildie who for 6 months only came online once a month and that was to get the free keys from xth and make next months predictions.
As for killing GvG - im sure many GvGers were already on the way to leaving and with forum posts in mind many new players got put off trying GvG because of it being "serioius business" ( sorry had to say that ) and seeing match rigging or some guilds losing on purpose then taking down easy newbie gvg guilds with same ranking.
turbo234
if anything they could give out different rewards like a few party points here and there etc. i just don't to see them give out rp like they did before. zkeys aren't supposed to be 3.5k a piece.
either that or somehow make the points you get unable to be spent on zkeys. it would be nice to still get some free points for pvp armors.
either that or somehow make the points you get unable to be spent on zkeys. it would be nice to still get some free points for pvp armors.
Daesu
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Originally Posted by Elnino
I doubt the XTH ever had an influence on players to get interested in PvP. Maybe some people actually grew to like PvP because of the XTH but I'm sure that number is small compared to those that used it purely for the money. From my experience, people didn't really watch GvG and HB matches to find out who were the best guilds/players and who they would vote for etc. In my alliance, people just pm'd the players that were actually interested in PvP and asked them who they should vote for. I remember having a lot of my guildies ask me who who I picked for the top 8 for the HB mAT since I was one of the few HBers in the guild. No one really cared about the PvP aspect of the XTH (other than maybe mAT day) but only about the amount of zkeys they could get.
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Since there is no XTH anymore, I stopped watching observer mode for awhile now and I gradually lost interest in PvP matches. At least with XTH, I became familiar with who the top pvp guilds are at that time. Nowadays if you ask me, I have no idea who they are. No reason for me to know now, as XTH was the last connection I had with PvP.
I think it is good for PvP for the player base to recognize the top PvP guilds. Those who are starting to be interested in PvP, can know who to talk to, to get PvP advice and which guilds are the leaders. I dont know about you guys, but I used to PM the players as I was watching observer mode, sometimes complimenting them or asking them questions.
zwei2stein
Problem is that it was too easy to to get accurate predictions from people who pay attention and just harvest zkeys.
One of issues being that you as a player did not have to get involved in any other way than entering stuff on website and then talking to npc.
For example, bet costing considerable amount of balth faction would make everyone pay a bit more attention and think twice before voting randomly or trusting someone elses predictions.
Also, It might be worth it if you had to have better bets than, say, 50% of the players to get payouts. This would stop prediction sharing and make it a bit more competitive.
Lots of things could be made to XTH to improve PvP involvement and decrease economic impact.
One of issues being that you as a player did not have to get involved in any other way than entering stuff on website and then talking to npc.
For example, bet costing considerable amount of balth faction would make everyone pay a bit more attention and think twice before voting randomly or trusting someone elses predictions.
Also, It might be worth it if you had to have better bets than, say, 50% of the players to get payouts. This would stop prediction sharing and make it a bit more competitive.
Lots of things could be made to XTH to improve PvP involvement and decrease economic impact.
BenjZee
the main issues was actually the calculations to do with running the site and ending up usually being wrong. Alot of this was done manually i think too. Also passwords etc linked to this account may be a slight security issue for people (just a guess).
Daesu
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Lots of things could be made to XTH to improve PvP involvement and decrease economic impact.
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We all want pvp to thrive and generate interest in pvp. However, we don't want too many people to have too many zkeys. Wait a minute, aren't those 2 points in contradiction? If more people really do get involved in pvp, the price of zkeys would inevitably come down!
One way to please both crowds is to REDUCE the XTH reward so that even with perfect prediction, you should get fewer zkeys than someone who is actively playing pvp. Prediction makers should not be rewarded as much as people who are actively pvping.
Mireles
Do I miss a form of RMT that was not cheating....? no
We had discussed the validity and i think the legality of XTH staying broken when i made a thread.... it made alot of people that bought alot of accounts counting on this upset.... I say that is what they get for buying accounts to exploit the game.
It didn't bring interest into pvp... what people did was ask other people who pvp/watched observe to know how to vote.... it took maybe a whole 10 mins to decide what to vote for and you didn't even have to set foot in a arena
As easy it would make it to finish maxing zrank by sinking the price of z-keys...We don't need to bring back game manufacture approved RMT...
We had discussed the validity and i think the legality of XTH staying broken when i made a thread.... it made alot of people that bought alot of accounts counting on this upset.
... I say that is what they get for buying accounts to exploit the game.It didn't bring interest into pvp... what people did was ask other people who pvp/watched observe to know how to vote.... it took maybe a whole 10 mins to decide what to vote for and you didn't even have to set foot in a arena
As easy it would make it to finish maxing zrank by sinking the price of z-keys...We don't need to bring back game manufacture approved RMT...
Daesu
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It didn't bring interest into pvp... what people did was ask other people who pvp/watched observe to know how to vote.... it took maybe a whole 10 mins to decide what to vote for and you didn't even have to set foot in a arena
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If you don't care about PvP and just want to protect the zkeys economy, then we should all try to DECREASE any interest in PvP. I expected most PvEers to think that way.
Mireles
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I don't know who you have been asking to get great predictions but asking around for predictions does not always give you good returns. I would filter predictions from people I dont know, if I were you.
If you don't care about PvP and just want to protect the zkeys economy, then we should all try to DECREASE any interest in PvP. |
but i don't care about any of those things.. I care about keeping the game skill based and not how much real money you can shell out based... sorry just because your willing to pay for rewards doesn't mean you should be able to....
The perfect way to fix XTH is make it in a way that does not reward z-keys or anything else that can be traded to account to account.... then you can have all the good times and pvp support u rave so much about... But nobody suggests this because everyone primary interest in XTH was z-keys... people bought accounts for z-keys.. not to support PvP
shinta_himura
Ok, this is kind of funny...
There are so many ways to rake in tons of cash and rewards in this game and they are all so streamlined and casual that they might as well be a form you fill out on the website like the XTH was.
Nobody takes a "legitimate" approach to any of these methods. Almost every Nick Week is a grind-house with two or three solo builds that are gaurunteed to get you all your items in less than an hour.
Every Zaishen quest is just another lump of gold shoveled into the coffers of every player who cruises with seven heroes all sporting meta builds from PvX.
Speed Clearing breaks the hardest but most rewarding end-game areas available and provides gigantic profits. Get yourself into a guild, ask to go along or put up with maybe a day of training and just watch the ectos and rare chest drops roll in.
But if you mention the XTH then suddenly everyone is so upset about how it was ruining the game and the economy, and tries to disgrace everyone else by calling them RMTers.
I'm sure even with twenty accounts all collecting the monthly XTH welfare check, the UW still pumps out more since it's always available (why even pretend that favor exists anymore?)
There are so many ways to rake in tons of cash and rewards in this game and they are all so streamlined and casual that they might as well be a form you fill out on the website like the XTH was.
Nobody takes a "legitimate" approach to any of these methods. Almost every Nick Week is a grind-house with two or three solo builds that are gaurunteed to get you all your items in less than an hour.
Every Zaishen quest is just another lump of gold shoveled into the coffers of every player who cruises with seven heroes all sporting meta builds from PvX.
Speed Clearing breaks the hardest but most rewarding end-game areas available and provides gigantic profits. Get yourself into a guild, ask to go along or put up with maybe a day of training and just watch the ectos and rare chest drops roll in.
But if you mention the XTH then suddenly everyone is so upset about how it was ruining the game and the economy, and tries to disgrace everyone else by calling them RMTers.
I'm sure even with twenty accounts all collecting the monthly XTH welfare check, the UW still pumps out more since it's always available (why even pretend that favor exists anymore?)
Olle
Oh yes, i do miss getting free cash on my 10 spare accounts every month....
Mireles
Yeah but the difference between all those things and XTH.... you have to actually play the game... with XTH all you have to do is simply log on and collect every month because you own a account(s).... you don't see people buying more accounts to do the daily's or speed clear the underworld.... maybe nick gifts but even that takes a degree of play time to farm/buy and collect the gifts in "insert random area here"
lemming
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But if you mention the XTH then suddenly everyone is so upset about how it was ruining the game and the economy, and tries to disgrace everyone else by calling them RMTers.
I'm sure even with twenty accounts all collecting the monthly XTH welfare check, the UW still pumps out more since it's always available (why even pretend that favor exists anymore?) |
If Gifts of the Traveler sell for 450k each, I'm sure people would be complaining about people with multiple accounts too.
Thorfinnr
Just to give you an insight from someone who actually used the XTH for what it was for...
I watched GvG stuff, watched who won who lost and how close their match was. I also took into account their past records and how they fared against other guilds.
I don't have 10 accounts, only 1, and I used it as a means to get Z-keys, since I am not a PvP'er. I personally used most of my Z-Keys, although I did sell some when needing to buy materials for elite armor and such, but I had a vast collection of creme brulee and firewater as my rewards.
I miss the XTH simply for this, as my guildies and I used to talk about GvG matches we had watched and it gave us a common interest in the game on the level of watching your favorite football team play...personally I liked watching Rebel Rising. Some other favs were Dangerous Pumpkins and Straight Outta Kamadan.
We didn't bleed it for keys on multiple accounts and for me it did up my interest in the GvG matches, as well as it did for some of my guildies as well.
So we did like it, and it did increase our interest in PvP stuff, but we never felt we were good enough to try and complete. It was like Football Sunday for us. XTH was our in-game bookie.
I watched GvG stuff, watched who won who lost and how close their match was. I also took into account their past records and how they fared against other guilds.
I don't have 10 accounts, only 1, and I used it as a means to get Z-keys, since I am not a PvP'er. I personally used most of my Z-Keys, although I did sell some when needing to buy materials for elite armor and such, but I had a vast collection of creme brulee and firewater as my rewards.
I miss the XTH simply for this, as my guildies and I used to talk about GvG matches we had watched and it gave us a common interest in the game on the level of watching your favorite football team play...personally I liked watching Rebel Rising. Some other favs were Dangerous Pumpkins and Straight Outta Kamadan.
We didn't bleed it for keys on multiple accounts and for me it did up my interest in the GvG matches, as well as it did for some of my guildies as well.
So we did like it, and it did increase our interest in PvP stuff, but we never felt we were good enough to try and complete. It was like Football Sunday for us. XTH was our in-game bookie.
Jk Arrow
Back when there was a XTH I did not GvG and only did the XTH for free Zkeys. Now that there is no XTH, I have done some GvG. Go figure.
In the end it was a great idea that ended up a poor idea since most people including myself just did it for the free Zkeys.
And let's be honest, it wasn't hard to get many of the picks close when it was pretty much the same few guilds facerolling.
In the end it was a great idea that ended up a poor idea since most people including myself just did it for the free Zkeys.
And let's be honest, it wasn't hard to get many of the picks close when it was pretty much the same few guilds facerolling.
Daesu
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saying that XTH promoted pvp is laughable... did XTH require you to PvP for rewards, no... Did you have to know a damn thing about pvp to vote, no as stated above.. people use QP as a semi-reliable indicator.
but i don't care about any of those things.. I care about keeping the game skill based and not how much real money you can shell out based... sorry just because your willing to pay for rewards doesn't mean you should be able to.... The perfect way to fix XTH is make it in a way that does not reward z-keys or anything else that can be traded to account to account.... then you can have all the good times and pvp support u rave so much about... But nobody suggests this because everyone primary interest in XTH was z-keys... people bought accounts for z-keys.. not to support PvP |
zkeys are just a means of attracting PvE players to be more interested in PvP so of course, many PvEers was interested in XTH because of the zkeys. Just like many people are interested in farming UW because of the ectos. Would farming UW still be as popular if UW gives crap rewards? Of course not.
If Anet wants to continue to attract PvE players into PvP then they need to continue to use PvE rewards as a carrot! If it is not zkeys then it has to be something else. If the reward is crap, then nobody is going to be drawn to it.
Personally I think the XTH reward could have been reduced because it was too good. I would not give more than 5 zkeys for a perfect prediction.
Leohan
Our guild's website. Had charts and tables for the tournaments allowing everyone to make the best picks possible for the out comes. Once you see where players and guilds would usually rank, max points rewards were common place for all.
The Xunlai did in fact for my guild, get people interested in PvP and had people show interest to play. Xunlai got people who never even thought about killing anything other than an NPC, to turn their head and look over the fence. Once they saw how PvP could be something to do. They wanted to participate in our PvP events.
The death Xunlai Tournament House just marked one step of how Anet slowly killed off PvP. A game once made and designed for only PvP and PvE was just a tool to teach players how to play. GW as come so far from the original intentions.
However caring about PvP and the Xunlai Tournament House has died along with Team Arenas, Hero Battles and so forth. Decisions were made and things have a way of not turning out as intended.
I still play the game almost everyday and the community of people that surround me, make it possible to keep enjoying the game.
The Xunlai did in fact for my guild, get people interested in PvP and had people show interest to play. Xunlai got people who never even thought about killing anything other than an NPC, to turn their head and look over the fence. Once they saw how PvP could be something to do. They wanted to participate in our PvP events.
The death Xunlai Tournament House just marked one step of how Anet slowly killed off PvP. A game once made and designed for only PvP and PvE was just a tool to teach players how to play. GW as come so far from the original intentions.
However caring about PvP and the Xunlai Tournament House has died along with Team Arenas, Hero Battles and so forth. Decisions were made and things have a way of not turning out as intended.
I still play the game almost everyday and the community of people that surround me, make it possible to keep enjoying the game.
jazilla
I think the XTH would have been better served handing out flames of balthazar if they wanted to encourage would be pvp'ers to play. there is nothing about z-keys that promoted pvp back then. the way it stands now with the HoM, it just allowed people to get a PvP title without ever having to step foot in any pvp at all which is a total shame.
Ariena Najea
I would like to see it return but give points for reskins only, not ZKeys.
Also, allow PvE characters to spend points for weapons, however, keep the customized/non-tradable restrictions in place. Give out basic "clean" r9 inscription core/PvP-skin weapons of each type for free at an adjacent NPC. Remove annoying existing system of 50-50 unlocks, and increase the points required for the EoTN dungeon drops like Bone Dragon Staff (maybe rare Canthans too) so the economy doesn't explode.
Also, allow PvE characters to spend points for weapons, however, keep the customized/non-tradable restrictions in place. Give out basic "clean" r9 inscription core/PvP-skin weapons of each type for free at an adjacent NPC. Remove annoying existing system of 50-50 unlocks, and increase the points required for the EoTN dungeon drops like Bone Dragon Staff (maybe rare Canthans too) so the economy doesn't explode.
Elnino
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I would like to see it return but give points for reskins only, not ZKeys.
Also, allow PvE characters to spend points for weapons, however, keep the customized/non-tradable restrictions in place. Give out basic "clean" r9 inscription core/PvP-skin weapons of each type for free at an adjacent NPC. Remove annoying existing system of 50-50 unlocks, and increase the points required for the EoTN dungeon drops like Bone Dragon Staff (maybe rare Canthans too) so the economy doesn't explode. |
Canthan and "oldschool" weapons wouldn't be affected since those are all uninscribable.
IMO, if the XTH did come back, make it so that you can't get Zkeys with reward points. Perhaps ZCoins as a substitute?
Ariena Najea
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The EotN weapons economy would explode regardless since the rarity factor would be non-existent.
Canthan and "oldschool" weapons wouldn't be affected since those are all uninscribable. IMO, if the XTH did come back, make it so that you can't get Zkeys with reward points. Perhaps ZCoins as a substitute? |
Canthan weapons are actually more likely to be affected, since there are only a handful of 20/20 for any given skin and attribute, and they hardly circulate.
You can already get Crystallines, Envoy Weapons, Paper Fans, Paper Lanterns, Jugs, Amber Aegis, and a ton of other nice weapons.
Gladiator Steven
I have to agree with an above poster that giving out something like flames of Balthazar would be far more better than handing out free z-keys per month to encourage interest in PvP.
Furthermore, I think with the death of the XTH, PvP started to dwindle as well. Many players lost interest for the fact that watching or observing GvG matches seemed pointless since there was no reward. Additionally, I think that the whole "competition" in GvG was brought down severely with XTH being brought down. Just look at any GvG match and you'll see that there really is no competition or true tactic involved.
To me, the XTH meant something more than the z-keys. To me, the XTH was like an online bidding house where people could dispute, laugh, and get mad at each other. This game is called GUILDwars, so wouldn't it seem logical for a large focus to be focused on a meeting place that united players together, PvE or PvP, and made them communicate and exchange advice?
Furthermore, I think with the death of the XTH, PvP started to dwindle as well. Many players lost interest for the fact that watching or observing GvG matches seemed pointless since there was no reward. Additionally, I think that the whole "competition" in GvG was brought down severely with XTH being brought down. Just look at any GvG match and you'll see that there really is no competition or true tactic involved.
To me, the XTH meant something more than the z-keys. To me, the XTH was like an online bidding house where people could dispute, laugh, and get mad at each other. This game is called GUILDwars, so wouldn't it seem logical for a large focus to be focused on a meeting place that united players together, PvE or PvP, and made them communicate and exchange advice?
Mireles
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Despite what you say, XTH did make me look into observer mode because I was curious why certain teams kept winning. Right now, I don't need zkeys and there is no motivation to care about PvP at all.
zkeys are just a means of attracting PvE players to be more interested in PvP so of course, many PvEers was interested in XTH because of the zkeys. Just like many people are interested in farming UW because of the ectos. Would farming UW still be as popular if UW gives crap rewards? Of course not. If Anet wants to continue to attract PvE players into PvP then they need to continue to use PvE rewards as a carrot! If it is not zkeys then it has to be something else. If the reward is crap, then nobody is going to be drawn to it. Personally I think the XTH reward could have been reduced because it was too good. I would not give more than 5 zkeys for a perfect prediction. |
Lets be honest with ourselves XTH was way more about the z-keys than any "interest" you gained in PvP... "interest" via observe mode... is just a useless as no interests at all... observe mode does not increase the participation of PvP.. The cost of anet endorsed RMT is not worth the increased interest of observe mode and the slight possibility of a few players making that leap into participation... because you never hear anyone say "XTH is why and what turned me on to pvp"
Canthas Monk
When you say miss the XTH, you mean free zkeys. No. I don't miss them.
Daesu
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You shouldn't need a "carrot" for anything... if there is nothing the last pvp update proved is that "carrots" don't work... otherwise you would be out PvPing right now... instead of "no motivation to care about pvp at all"... your rewards and z-keys are there... you just have to actually participate now... instead of hit the observe button and make a few guesses for the month.... but guess what... after the hype passed... pvp is still in the dead condition that it is... except what is different now is you have people exploiting (syncing) the rewards.... people are not stupid they can't be lured into a format they don't find fun or productive.
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Do you really think that getting rid of XTH would be better for the game? Take a look at the state PvP right now after Anet has gotten rid of XTH, has PvP become better or more popular?
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I can understand why PvEers prefer to jack up the value of their own zkeys than to make PvP more popular because if PvP becomes more popular then their own personal in-game wealth takes a hit. Face it, I wouldn't expect anyone to sacrifice personal wealth for the sake of making PvP more popular so such responses are well anticipated. The thing I can't stand is the hypocrisy of it all.
Elnino
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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea
Disagree on the EoTN weapons, so long as the number of RPs required is sufficient. Also, you would not be able to combine RPs between accounts as you can combine coins between different characters.
Canthan weapons are actually more likely to be affected, since there are only a handful of 20/20 for any given skin and attribute, and they hardly circulate. You can already get Crystallines, Envoy Weapons, Paper Fans, Paper Lanterns, Jugs, Amber Aegis, and a ton of other nice weapons. |
Regarding Canthan weapons, excluding staves, wands, foci and some specific skins, almost every skin comes out of the Zaishen Chest inscribable anyway. Those specific skins would be things like Zodiacs and other Urgoz/Deep stuff. But you get inscribables for those from the end-chests anyway ^^
I'd actually support having a greater variety of usable staves, wands and foci. It's too limited at the moment.
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Ariena Najea
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Originally Posted by Elnino
For the EotN weapons, it doesn't matter how many reward points are needed because you could still get it with coins. Coins are also stupidly easy to get. They can be bought and farmed easily.
Regarding Canthan weapons, excluding staves, wands, foci and some specific skins, almost every skin comes out of the Zaishen Chest inscribable anyway. Those specific skins would be things like Zodiacs and other Urgoz/Deep stuff. But you get inscribables for those from the end-chests anyway ^^ I'd actually support having a greater variety of usable staves, wands and foci. It's too limited at the moment. |
Your statement regarding Canthan weapons is ridiculous. You specifically cited the extremely valuable items (minus shields) which for the most part, are not available insc at all (Amber Aegis, Echovald, Dragon Staff, Celestial Staff, etc) or not in secondary attributes. It's that almost that makes these weapons so valuable. This thread in Trader's Outpost explains this far better than I can.
As for having more "usable" weapons, I am assuming you mean better access to these types of rare skins with desirable mods and such. This is exactly what I am proposing in such a manner that the economy will not be significantly damaged.
Fluffy Kittens
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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea
Also, allow PvE characters to spend points for weapons, however, keep the customized/non-tradable restrictions in place. Give out basic "clean" r9 inscription core/PvP-skin weapons of each type for free at an adjacent NPC. Remove annoying existing system of 50-50 unlocks, and increase the points required for the EoTN dungeon drops like Bone Dragon Staff (maybe rare Canthans too) so the economy doesn't explode.
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Also, Bone Dragon Staff, etc. are supposed to be RARE drops. Can you elaborate how would increase in drop rate still keep them rare? Can you imagine that Ghostly Hero drop rate increases. No one would consider having it as an achievement anymore (that's what happened to tormented weapons when doasc abusers showed up). It would be yet another worthless item everyone else got.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Daesu
We all want pvp to thrive and generate interest in pvp. However, we don't want too many people to have too many zkeys. Wait a minute, aren't those 2 points in contradiction?
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Past state generated little extra interest in pvp but huge amounts of currency.
If you make rewards more competitive and dependent on good knowledge of state of pvp, you raise intereste in pvp and decrease amount of currency generated because fewer people will vote successfully (as it will be more diffcult), but they will need to be more interested to reap benefits.
Getting people interested in PvP is not only about making them play. You need audience to organize big ass events. You need enough people watching to make it attractive for big brands to be sponsors. You need someone to donate money/equipment to make it trully motivating for esport type people participate. And it all depends on masses watching the spectacle. We need less of "Updated the 2011 Automated Tournament Series Trophy in the Great Temple of Balthazar." in update notes and more of "1k was sent to each member of winning team, courtesy of razer, alienware and nvidia"
Making people play PvP should not be THE goal at moment. Making people watch it should be.
Zebideedee
I miss it, used to love how pathetic my predictions were. It was kind of like a Nicholas lthe Traveler look forward too thingy for me. Thanks to all the greedy mofo's that ruined it. 
lemming
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Originally Posted by Daesu
Do you really think that getting rid of XTH would be better for the game? Take a look at the state PvP right now after Anet has gotten rid of XTH, has PvP become better or more popular?
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Food for thought: In the four years since the XTH started, I've never met a single person who cited it as a motivating factor for actually GvGing.
And even in your example, you obviously stopped paying attention to GvG once the money was out of it. Would you really describe the XTH as succeeding in promoting interest in PvP, if it's directly linked to the rewards?
lursey
horse-race gambling won't make them as horse racer