Wintersday 2011/Opinions?

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

didnt we just HAVE a hood????
though I do like the scarf idea--wonder how much clipping it will cause!!!

and I finally got to level 1 gamer--noob that I am (you have to start some where!)...just wish the grentches were still here--I miss them

Da Kenster

Da Kenster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

A shoebox

The Boat Crew

W/E

Hmm, scarves...

Been doing SD with the intent of popping five titles in rapid succession, though I will seriously need to crank out some sweets to get there.

Also running the Wintersday chest when I get bored with that in the hopes that I will get lucky. At least I can just run to the end and go afk to do other stuff.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

Rt/

a scarf would be new, i'd like to have it
a hood however, no thx

and yea, why are the grentchies gone? (uh oh, i feel a quote joke coming up)
those grentchies were here every year, why remove something like that?
nostalgic and funny, i hope they come back

anyway, i like wintersdays, i just like to some new and special items and/or skills
my snowball build:
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/buil...2sO0WSNsn1ORLA

note to that build: i used both dwayna and grenth skills, instead of the profession based ones

ps. this wintersday gave me that idea, to have snowball skills from a consumable or pve only skill

anyway, i'll be farming and questing soon

Hanok Odbrook

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

It could be that the grentch present run is forthcoming. There are a couple other events (Halloween comes to mind), that roll out all festivities over a period of days. With Winterfest being 2+ weeks long, most likely we'll see the Present Run come after Christmas. Sort of gives people enough time to play through the quests this week and do their farming next week.

Hanok

FalconDance

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post

Who, on the other hand, wants a scarf or (another) hoodie? I'm just not seeing the immediate appeal, nor do I really see how those are going to look good on most bodies / armors.

But, hey, I'd love to be proven wrong.
Well, at least it's in keeping with the whole "winter" theme. Something that doesn't make hair disappear would be welcomed. And a proper hood, not the cobbled together-looking weird hood from Halloween this year, could be really nice as long as there isn't major clipping.

Three scarves? Different colors depending on Dwayna or Grenth? And the third as an alt to the hood? Presumably the hood is the hat for Kamadan, home of the Dervish......

epervier

epervier

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2009

Jersey

Oath of Fire [Oath]

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It seems kinda odd to have a scarf as a hat, I would think it would work better as a body item than a hat item. how to get it to simply overlay with your existing armor would require some special coding but maybe it could be done? besides didn't they say that the head slot only has one dyable slot on it so it becomes a choice of showing your hair or the hat. A scarf would then have the same issues the blindfold has now. As a body item, dyable slots wouldn't matter as much.

tonini

tonini

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2007

Retired from guildwars for good:D

[]

R/

eh:s does it actually show a picture of the scarf cuz im not seeing anything cept text?

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
Hats have been spoiled. Linky
- It should have been obvious the "hats" would be complimentary to the costumes. The first item would go to the Lyssa one and the second with Kormir.
- I'm surprised more people didn't comment on my suggestions on the first page. Who wouldn't want bunny ears (Dwanya item) and/or a crooked christmas tree with dyable broken ornaments (Grenth item)?

Max37

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2011

E/

Real Preview

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

I don't get it. I have at five different hoods now (not counting the dervish armour).

One from the Augur of Kormir, one from the Vale Wraith, one from the Raiment of the Lich, one from the Shining Blade and a fifth one that most people have from the Reaper's Hood.

Why does anyone need another hood? If you love hoods that badly just play a dervish. Couldn't they have come up with something new or different?

I don't mind the scarf, although it does remind me how badly I hate the scarf on the Ravenheart Witchwear. It completely ruins the front view of that costume. I wish they had offered a version without the stupid scarf for people who hate it.

While I'm being a beam of optimism I'll also mention the Augur of Kormir. Did anyone think those chains were a good idea after seeing their character move their arms? They take a really awesome looking costume and make it look absolutely ridiculous with it's physics defying arm chains. Please remove them from the hands, or at least shorten them so I don't see those stupid floating chains every time my paragon holds his spear in the air.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

not everyone is willing to pay RL money for costumes. I would never buy a costume, so ill be glad to get a hood that doesn't look all creepy and reaperish.

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanier View Post
not everyone is willing to pay RL money for costumes. I would never buy a costume, so ill be glad to get a hood that doesn't look all creepy and reaperish.
I can see your point and agree that it's nice to have variety as well as free access to things similar to what other players have, but from the perspective of someone who has purchased every costume, this festival hat really feels like I'm not getting anything fun and new because I already have not just one but several hoods.

It rewards players who bought costumes a lot less than it rewards someone who has none. I don't believe one player is more important than the other - this isn't an us or them issue, I simply believe they should be offering festival hats that are fun and different from anything previously released for all players, not something that is a slightly altered version of what I've already paid for.

I believe this was a recycling of assets decision, cutting corners to make an easy festival hat by barely altering the costume headpiece, rather than ArenaNet really thinking a hood was a fun and unique festival head piece that fits some kind of artistic vision. It feels like they've recycled costume head pieces to make festival hats.

FalconDance

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

'Recycling' head pieces for a 'new' hat has been done in the past. There are two Yule caps (the first and oldest being the more attractive, imo, and of course it's the one that was deleted pre-storage days). There was the Horns of Grenth and then the Great Horns of Grenth. Two pumpkin heads, two dragon hats (actually 4 but the other two are significantly different).

I can understand where it would be time consuming trying to come up with a new holiday headpiece that is different and attractive/fun while still keeping within the theme of the ingame holiday. I consider a few of the past holiday masks to be so unattractive and unappealing to me game-wise, I refused to log in to get them. I wasn't too pleased with this past Halloween's offerings; the hood is ill-drawn and ill-conceived (imo) and the tricorne is so Pirates of the Caribbean instead of Guild Wars.

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

I wish there would be more real guilds and less henchways or afkers in snowball tourneys
Makes me sad that only few people care about that even tho it's just too much fun!! At least for me it is xD

Omar Charrbane

Omar Charrbane

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2011

Imperium Von Aurion

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High View Post
The spectercles and the furrocious ears at least had the justification of it being Halloween, so kooky costumes are "normal". Steampunk and black cat costumes (possibly "sexy" thrown in there somewhere) make sense, IMO, and the potential audience for each was at least obviously there.

Who, on the other hand, wants a scarf or (another) hoodie? I'm just not seeing the immediate appeal, nor do I really see how those are going to look good on most bodies / armors.

But, hey, I'd love to be proven wrong.
Am I the only one who is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing loving the possibility of scarves?!
Hood, meh, whatever, but damn I want me a scarf. Not only is it Christmas related but fashionable as well, not like, oh say almost every hat I've gotten so far(2009-present) ...Maybe the Crystal Shard crow/iara were decent.

I see your latter point though...

Lyra Padfoot

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2010

UK (GMT)

Guild of Legendary Donkeys

R/Rt

Notification on FB page this morning that one of the "Hats" is a scarf this year. haven't had time to investigate further before going to work!!!

Sagittario

Sagittario

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Czech Republic

The Dragonfly Effect [Phi]

Rt/

That was there already yesterday.
And on GWW talk are more previews.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Wintersday_2011

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

They look really nice
but i can imagine they'll clip with alot of armors...

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

They really need make these, along with face paint and maybe the cat ears/spectercles, take up a different costume slot because they themselves are more accessories. And yeah they'll clip badly, especially if they act like hair and move when you do.

LanaDarkess

LanaDarkess

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2011

Australia

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsiriss View Post
They really need make these, along with face paint and maybe the cat ears/spectercles, take up a different costume slot because they themselves are more accessories. And yeah they'll clip badly, especially if they act like hair and move when you do.
This.

/unrelated
I think scarves and (as I found in the German wiki), hoods are kind of..blergh.

I understand that Anet are working on many, many other things as well, but I'm a little disappointed, I guess.

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

I want a full refund and apoligies from anet because i'm dissapointed in their free stuff they don't even need to hand out.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by EPO Bot View Post
I want a full refund and apoligies from anet because i'm dissapointed in their free stuff they don't even need to hand out.
There are complaints every year for one good reason, Anet don't listen. There are countless suggestion threads with some really good ideas about what the community wants, which wouldn't be so bad if the things they designed instead were done properly (clipping issues, most headgear still making you bald). Criticism isn't a bad thing, it promotes progress unlike stereotypical comments such as yours.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

I really like both and intend to use them.

The only minor complaint I have is that the fur on the hood is dark. If it were light colored it could fit with most of the norn armor, the fur lined ranger armor and maybe the warrior char armor. Of the three armors that do have dark fur, I think it's going to clip badly with the mesmer norn and the ranger norn. But still looking forward to it as I have not bought any of the costumes and a hood will be a nice addition for me.

Swingline

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

W/

The clipping issues with a lot of costumes, armors and festival hats are a result of either laziness or time constraints. Instead of going along and fixing them as they release Anet now has too many clipping issues throughout the game to fix. Fixing them now would take far too much time.

They could be working on one big patch to fix them all but I have my doubts. It would be quite impressive to see though and there is some hope since they go around fixing the smallest of bugs almost no one notices.

Horus Moonlight

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsiriss View Post
There are complaints every year for one good reason, Anet don't listen. There are countless suggestion threads with some really good ideas about what the community wants, which wouldn't be so bad if the things they designed instead were done properly (clipping issues, most headgear still making you bald). Criticism isn't a bad thing, it promotes progress unlike stereotypical comments such as yours.

There are complaints every year for some of the most inane garbage I have read. Even if ANet did take suggestions in guru (which has complications stated multiple times before), they would have to sift through quite a bit of terrible ones. But see, my opinion is just that, an opinion. Guru is NOT representative of the community nor is any other official or unofficial forum. Often times these suggestions aren't even constructive. Take this thread for example. The majority of complaints here had no content that could give ANet an idea of what to improve on (assuming these complaints are even worth addressing). No matter what ANet does, there is no winning with the guru community. I forget who said it but ANet could give pie and blowjobs and the community would still find something to bitch about. There is nothing stereotypical regarding EPO's post; he/she seems to be one of the few realistic and pragmatic people in this thread.

SpyderArachnid

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

Me/

I love the new festival hats. Always wanted a scarf for several outfits and the hood is awesome as well.

The costumes are just awesome as well. Have always wanted an outfit like Lyssa's and the Kormir one is just amazing.

Great job Anet. Gave me a great holiday gift this year with these costumes and hats. Very very happy.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

It's fairly original for GW at least. I hope that some of them can be dyed.

Pre Warrior Dude

Pre Warrior Dude

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/

Skillz title is now worthless

sATs have been average, still same botters/macros

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

I've only seen few botters in sAT and I played most of them, I think it's pretty good.
Note: simple space bar spam makes you pick up the present quickly.

hitsuji182

hitsuji182

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Poland

The Autonomy [?????????]

Mo/A

flux ruined snowball ats.

Yuris Sayuri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

MoO, Glad, Boo

Mo/W

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Originally Posted by hitsuji182 View Post
flux ruined snowball ats.


QFT!- entire snowball arena

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuris Sayuri View Post
QFT!- entire snowball arena
It's different, and not in a good way. Everything revolves around a single, class-specific skill in 8v8, and spawn luck will always make or break you in 4v4.

It's troubling that the balance team couldn't foresee how much better the flux makes Icicles.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pre Warrior Dude View Post
Skillz title is now worthless

sATs have been average, still same botters/macros
Skillz title is a joke due to people syncing the PvP version of greatest snowball fight( yes, unlike people said, the format is still completly dead , i'm having i don't know how many restarts while there are so many (enter class)20 people with several accounts in asian districts...I saw some guy posted a thread about that on official forum too...

Apart of that, there are only 2 problems concerning snowball this year :

1- tournaments : the problem isn't really bot( i didn't face that many), but the number of henchways or afkers you have to face, which is ridiculous... Usually apart of let's say top12 on the most active hours, you have to face at least 4 teams not doing anything for the whole game....

2- the flux : like someone said, it's making too much problems in 4v4, and the grenth team is much disadvantaged in my opinion( especially when dwayna has 2 eles)...

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsiriss View Post
There are complaints every year for one good reason, Anet don't listen. There are countless suggestion threads with some really good ideas about what the community wants, which wouldn't be so bad if the things they designed instead were done properly (clipping issues, most headgear still making you bald). Criticism isn't a bad thing, it promotes progress unlike stereotypical comments such as yours.
I think that Anet do listen but the problem lies with the fact that there are far, far too few staff to deal with any of the problems. They seem to be at a stage where they don't care, and need not care. It's easy to roll out the same patch each year with two added head pieces.

There was, of course, the new seasonal costumes. The dev team can be forgiven for having putting those costumes live with inidental bugs to fix, but those bugs were fixed quickly and in quick succession . Just $ayin'.

Charrbane

Charrbane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa View Post
and yea, why are the grentchies gone? (uh oh, i feel a quote joke coming up)
those grentchies were here every year, why remove something like that?
nostalgic and funny, i hope they come back
I was wondering the same thing. Why did they remove the grentch and the present drops. Twas a Wintersday tradition to run a few presents to Scrappy Jhim a few days before Christmas. Maybe it's like some other people surmise, that they plan to do something later on with that... who knows.

Tullzinski

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charrbane View Post
I was wondering the same thing. Why did they remove the grentch and the present drops. Twas a Wintersday tradition to run a few presents to Scrappy Jhim a few days before Christmas. Maybe it's like some other people surmise, that they plan to do something later on with that... who knows.
I miss the grentchies also, LA and Kam are boring without them running around blowing up presents. I used to save choco bunnies just so I could haul ass around town with them on my tail. I guess it will cut down on the gift fraud.

Charrbane

Charrbane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tullzinski View Post
I miss the grentchies also, LA and Kam are boring without them running around blowing up presents. I used to save choco bunnies just so I could haul ass around town with them on my tail. I guess it will cut down on the gift fraud.
Ya, I have a ton of fruit cakes that I saved and are just laying in storage. Guess I'll be using them to run around in circles now. lol

Perkunas

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

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At least I am not the only one missing the Grentchies. Now, instead of daily racing Grentchies around LA or Ascalon City, I grab Nick's gifts in pre and log back off for 24 hours.

Bob B

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perkunas View Post
At least I am not the only one missing the Grentchies. Now, instead of daily racing Grentchies around LA or Ascalon City, I grab Nick's gifts in pre and log back off for 24 hours.
I'm pretty much the same. Not playing Wintersday much this year, no fun without eluding those Grentches and running to Jihm.

What annoys me the most is the silence by ArenaNet as to why this decision has been made. An explanation to their customers only seems fit and proper but that's probably the way I was brought up.

Da Kenster

Da Kenster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

A shoebox

The Boat Crew

W/E

I am happy that I was able to max out 5 titles thanks to the benefits from Wintersday. While I may never get that polar bear drop, I still consider that productive enough.