Update - December 15, 2011 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

15 Dec 2011 at 23:00 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

The PvE version of the quest is actually still available, but only from the Priestess of Melandru. Talking to a Priest of Balthazar will send you to the PvP version of "The Great Snowball Fight of the Gods".

You separated one side to PvE and the other to PvP. I don't PvP, thoroughly dislike and do not enjoy it whatsoever (with an average ping of 300-2k can you really blame me?), so that part of the game is no longer an option & that quest gets filed in with RA/etc as something to avoid.

Thoroughly disappointed here.

Edit: About the Urgoz thing - no idea what they based the decision on, but the simple fact that I can get my drops up there now makes me happy.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

15 Dec 2011 at 23:01 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Bolded part suxs!

I stay away from PvP anything nowadays. I'm here to play the game, enjoy a good amount of time vanquishing or working on whatever is necessary.

I'm also here to have fun for Wintersday, which is why I believe Grentches were removed. It's not FUN to be killed... or is it?

Also, any pictures of the ramp in Urgoz made yet?

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

W/

15 Dec 2011 at 23:26 - 43

Glad they included the Urgoz ramp

Hyperventilate

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

I Gots A Crayon [Blue]

Me/Mo

15 Dec 2011 at 23:49 - 44

I miss the Grentches.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

16 Dec 2011 at 00:14 - 45

Someone should make some kind of meme about the ramp.
Like a demotivator or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

Further proving that everyone likes loot. It just depends if you want to farm actual players or NPC's.

Of course everyone likes booty, loot, bounty and treasures.

But I like even more when farming yields the same amount of loot as playing normally, and when progressing in the story, doing side-quests and helping others gives even better rewards.

When I want to see grinding mindless zombies, I play Left 4 Dead.

Anti Welfare

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

For Goods Sake

R/

16 Dec 2011 at 01:34 - 46

i'm completely failing to see the need for the ramp. it's not like it's an overly hard place to get through alone with 7 heros.

and as for getting drops on the bridge, the only drops up there that you weren't able to pick up were the ones off to the sides. anything on the bridge could be picked up by standing underneath it.

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

16 Dec 2011 at 02:41 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I'm also here to have fun for Wintersday, which is why I believe Grentches were removed. It's not FUN to be killed... or is it?

They didn't kill you, they simply blew up any presents that dropped. I don't think running presents is going to be as much fun with no grentches to avoid, which makes it hard to understand why they were removed unless presents are no longer going to be dropping in town. That would be a shame, since I think some people really enjoy doing that.

Hyperventilate

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

I Gots A Crayon [Blue]

Me/Mo

16 Dec 2011 at 03:16 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettM

They didn't kill you, they simply blew up any presents that dropped. I don't think running presents is going to be as much fun with no grentches to avoid, which makes it hard to understand why they were removed unless presents are no longer going to be dropping in town. That would be a shame, since I think some people really enjoy doing that.

The town looks empty without my four little green buddies trotting through town, chasing wayward adventurers.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

16 Dec 2011 at 04:42 - 49

kormir costume looks like shiningblade/white mantle.

no grentches is kinda lol?

new snowball pvp is ehh...you take something that's popular with pve'ers and make it pvp for what reason? its still the same concept but now you add pvp discriminations & trash talk into it. pretty smart. then again, maybe it will make pve'ers better at pvp since they have to think a bit more.

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

16 Dec 2011 at 04:47 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surgo

To bring this all back to the point I was making about metaphors, Street Fighter is a fantastic game that has many, many differences from Guild Wars PvP and to compare the two like that is to confound a large number of variables.

All I was comparing was the "easy to learn, hard to master" thing they have in common. I hear where you are coming from on your other points, but I was basically wondering in that above post if Lemming and Martin thought ANet was capable of fixing these issues come GW2. If they haven't then the type of combat won't matter, because the people gaming the system will still be gaming the system and ruining the game for those of us that want fair play.

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

16 Dec 2011 at 05:14 - 51

So I'm a bit confused as I am on vacation on lappy and am not able to play....has crush been replaced by pvp or no? Steph said that the PvE version was still avaiable, yet I am still seeing ppl upset by the "change". Can anyone clarify plz?

Relyk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

W/

16 Dec 2011 at 06:50 - 52

Image of the Urgoz ramp. Note that the ramp replaces the positions of the former upper and lower portals. Nice and simple fix.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

16 Dec 2011 at 07:37 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

So I'm a bit confused as I am on vacation on lappy and am not able to play....has crush been replaced by pvp or no? Steph said that the PvE version was still avaiable, yet I am still seeing ppl upset by the "change". Can anyone clarify plz?

At Lion's Arch/Kamadan, the Priestess of Melandru gives Fighting in a Winter Wonderland, which is the PvE version of The Great Snowball Fight of the Gods.

Likewise, the Priest of Balthazar gives the PvP version of the same Great Snowball Fight.

People are upset because the PvE version forces you to work on the Dwanya side and not Grenth's.

I'm fairly certain I've covered the situation.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

16 Dec 2011 at 15:35 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

People are upset because the PvE version forces you to work on the Dwanya side and not Grenth's.

Christ, that's what people are upset about?

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

16 Dec 2011 at 15:39 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

At Lion's Arch/Kamadan, the Priestess of Melandru gives Fighting in a Winter Wonderland, which is the PvE version of The Great Snowball Fight of the Gods.

Likewise, the Priest of Balthazar gives the PvP version of the same Great Snowball Fight.

People are upset because the PvE version forces you to work on the Dwanya side and not Grenth's.

I'm fairly certain I've covered the situation.

That's pretty much it. My disappointment stems from the mass removal of Grenth from Wintersday. I liked the Grench running around town, and I loved playing on Grenth's side. Why? Because I LOVE winter!

I know, realistically, it makes absolutely no difference in how long "winter" lasts in the game, but that's not the point ...

Surgo

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2011

16 Dec 2011 at 15:45 - 56

I have no opinion on the matter, but I just want to point out the delicious irony in all the grentches around here grentching over not being able to be grentch over Wintersday.

epervier

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2009

Jersey

Oath of Fire [Oath]

E/

16 Dec 2011 at 18:00 - 57

Maybe it's part of something bigger, like whats going on with Halloween. Grenth is retreating in his realm due to internal stuff happening. Don't know, just guessing.

Malganis

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2010

Southern California

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

N/

16 Dec 2011 at 18:11 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Christ, that's what people are upset about?

No, there's more to it than that. My wife, who absolutely *LOVED* Crush Spirits last year, is completely pissed at the changes this year. She says the "out of bounds" area has been narrowed, so you cannot run past the mobs, and that makes it impossible to do the mission in under 10 mins to get the top reward. There were other little changes, too, she says.
I havent done this mission yet so I have no idea, I'm just repeating what she told me.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

16 Dec 2011 at 22:06 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malganis

She says the "out of bounds" area has been narrowed, so you cannot run past the mobs, and that makes it impossible to do the mission in under 10 mins to get the top reward.

I can confirm the out of bounds area has been narrowed to the point an extremely cautious person could sneak in and throw one snowball before getting forced back.

It's possible to do it in under ten minutes, but you'd need a full group. Anyone who thinks a five man squad can do it are ignorant... or hasn't shown me proof yet.

roachsrealm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

The Gothic Embrace

N/Mo

16 Dec 2011 at 22:50 - 60

so after hundreds of years working with petrified plants, the kurz finally learn how to shape stone? good for them!

~ Angel ~

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

Ohio, USA

Slash afk[afk]

16 Dec 2011 at 23:21 - 61

Quote:

Removed the grentch activity from festival towns.

Could this be interpreted to mean they accidentally put the grentches in with the first update? If I recall, traditionally they don't enter the towns for a few days after the start of Wintersday.

Eleri

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2010

17 Dec 2011 at 01:29 - 62

Did they futz with something today (16th), cause I got Yet Another New Build. I hope to ghu they made fetching the garlic actually *possible* if you have WiK on- cause it was freaking insane otherwise. A few dozen tries with buff and boosts and I never could keep the darn necro alive. *grumble* I kinda miss snagging prezzies before the grentches, too.

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

17 Dec 2011 at 01:39 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~ Angel ~

Could this be interpreted to mean they accidentally put the grentches in with the first update? If I recall, traditionally they don't enter the towns for a few days after the start of Wintersday.

I was thinking the same. If I'm not mistaken, they always came a few days after the event started.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

17 Dec 2011 at 05:32 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleri

Did they futz with something today (16th), cause I got Yet Another New Build. I hope to ghu they made fetching the garlic actually *possible* if you have WiK on- cause it was freaking insane otherwise. A few dozen tries with buff and boosts and I never could keep the darn necro alive. *grumble* I kinda miss snagging prezzies before the grentches, too.

A friend of mine who got the Lyssa Costume signed on after purchasing to find out she got the Kormir Costume instead. According to the wiki, other people suffered a bug that switched what was bought.

She has already sent for support, but wont be on till tomorrow to find out if she'll get the Lyssa one instead.

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

W/

17 Dec 2011 at 06:01 - 65

All these bugs are a clear sign they have too much on their plate. Working on WoC part 3, Ele/HM update and god knows what else they have started has them making mistakes. I can only hope the Ele update goes off without a hitch. However I expect the worse.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

17 Dec 2011 at 08:53 - 66

So, about that new PvP mode , this is quite cool but frankly there are many problems , which are the same as every PvP format :
- it's too long( most fights do last at least 20mn) and the reward isn't enough good
- due to previous point, people aren't playing it a lot( i just logged and it's already empty..)
- it has too many teleport bugs( i.e when leave the arena) and doesn't really involve tactics... you can solo champions too easily and play defensive rather easily for the rest of the game...
- it was supposed to be played with heroes but i can't, nor can i get a match when i just click Go...

Apart of that, nothing to add more than last year... polar bear quest is still fun to do, snowball AT is still botted a bit( much more less though)..

Leohan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

R/

21 Dec 2011 at 01:45 - 67

It's cool that they are trying to make the League of Legends game (Fighting in a Winter Wonderland/ Operation Crush Spirits) more like that game it's based on. However the pink boundary is just to annoying. It was really fun last year, working as a team and trying to avoid groups. Now it's just feels like an on rail shooter.
I understand the need for this in the PvP version. However the PvE version of the map needs to open up a little more.

I hope the Grentch are not gone, I enjoyed spending a few minutes a day giving gifts to Scrappy Jim or other NPC kid's.

The Urgoz Update just seems weird, we spent 4 years playing with the teleport skill. Was there some outcry from the masses I missed? It was pretty simple. I mean it an ELITE AREA, shouldn't it be puzzling to people on how to beat it? I understand it required a skill from another game, but I never saw a problem with it.
Well, I guess I should be thankful I don't have to take the skill anymore as an event leader...lol

This is just a weird Winterday, seem strange. I guess things change. I still want gifts to randomly drop like they used to though..lol now that was fun during the final events.

Bob B

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

Mo/Me

24 Dec 2011 at 01:30 - 68

So was there any official word why the Grentches were removed?

Not the same without them. I loved using my sugar boosts to out run them and pick up a present from Scrappy.

Update:
I just noticed Jochim is still in LA and says:-

"Some people really get down on Grenth during Wintersday, but what they don't realize is that without winter, there would be no spring. He plays his role just as Dwayna plays hers. Granted, sending mischievious Grentches about is a little over the top... But really, is it any worse than having these kids running around screaming, building snowmen everywhere, and throwing snowballs at strangers?"