FoWsc T4way

The builds look ok and the tactics are much better than they were before, but the only thing i would say is that there isn't really a good reason to run this over t3 manly/mes spike - t3way is easily capable of 12/13min runs and even bad runs its usually <20min.
What are your average forge times with this and how often do the runs go wrong?

Id have to agree with paranon on the t3way comparison. There just isnt a whole lot of reason to run a t4way except for shits and giggles.

Oh and btw, perfect t2 run is 14/15 minutes

for most part ive done lots fow runs with rohan his build have always impressed me there fast very easy to learn he runs with pugs most of the time and out of 100 run ive seen 3 failed runs and that usually caused by the rit

He's very big fan doing runs without any pcons and most record runs
you guys use full pcons most pugs cant afford drop 8-10k in pcons per run


so his tactics far better for pugs to learn


i know you guys have records in fow
but dont forget there other payers that have being here since beta
and alot builds you see today were put by people like rohans and other player
that stood the test of time and are still used today

You realise that Fow Mesway on pvx was written and tested by Paranon, right?

Paranon and myself took pugs along on Mesway runs a year ago, carried many average players to 11-14minute runs, we thought we'd make a change but it simply didnt.


A T4way exactly the same as yours but with 2x rits was also put on pvx about a year ago, and was deleted for the basic reason that pugs suck too hard to do anything more than T2/T3way at a push...

Whilst you are not in the group of people who think they know fow in 1 day, id say you are more the sort who has done it for a few months, thinks he is the shit at fow and comes up with ideas that are impractical or old.

Your first thread was a poorly made T4way fow - we gave you advise and you changed it accordingly and have now posted tactics that have been around for years. The same is happening on Pvx right now - someone posting some silly fow "terraway" with 2 main teams, it will get trashed because it is simply impractical/bad.

You, along with the person on pvx, seem to have gotten the idea that because you have some exp in fow, you know everything about it, and are trying to change things and ignore advice from players who have done fow since it began.

i mean nothing by this - but once you have been doing fow the length of time that paranon, life and myself have, you may realise that changing pug meta is simply too hard, and pointless to try. Mesway didnt change it, this wont.

There is nothing wrong with the pvx manlyway - properly ran it can do ~15minutes. It is simply dumbed down for pugs to understand properly.

I dont get what you expected from this new thread, did you want everyone to be like "HOLYSHIT THIS GUY IS AMAZING LOOK AT THE AMAZING INNOVATIVE FOW TACTICS HE CAME UP WITH! HE DESERVES TO BE RECOGNISED!!!!" ?

The changes you made are the ones that WE TOLD YOU TO MAKE. No one cares about fow here on guru aside from like 5 people, and those people already know the stuff you have posted, hell 2 of us were telling you to make the changes.

What you are trying to do is good and all, but dont think that it is anything original or special, you are pretty much preaching to the choir.

Ye Dave, i play 77 months and i do fow for few months only
Please think before u speak and if u want to make it personal about yourself and paranon...
Dude u have no idea with who u talk, i have nothing to proof any more in this game
Lets just say that, if u had taken foundry run from 600/smiter group and forget them in 1 hour, my run you would not forgive.

http://www.xfire.com/video/1c4f00/ (with small and funny mistake from smiter )

You talk to a guy who had fow armors when ectos were 90k each. I am still the best 55/ss, 600 this game ever seen and i got my r11 from monking only.

Show me where i can post pics from my HoM for you to see... (and lol, i am not talking about 50/50)

So please do not try to proof yourself to a guy that seen everything, done everything and still doing everything.

This build was not made for you but for pugs, so please do not make it personal.
It is there choice to do what ever build there is to do, i just give them something u did not.
Every time when i make a group i get whispers about t4way. This is why i posted it.

Much like the last thread,this one isn't going anywhere...