January 2012 Flux

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

Xinrae's Revenge - When you successfully activate a skill, it is disabled for 3 seconds for all members of your party and the opposing party who are in the area and also have it on their skill bars.

Update on RBR and DA:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti View Post
I discussed with the Live Team to clarify the matter and can confirm that January's flux will not impact Dragon Arena and Rollerbeetle Racing.

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

"nerfing" the ele's before the update eaven hits?

nice

hitsuji182

hitsuji182

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Poland

The Autonomy [?????????]

Mo/A

Go W/Mo

Take Guardian and Patient Spirit

Fight Monk

TROLOLO

Also, imagine snowballs with this flux, lmao

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

does it make one lose adren by reseting the skill?

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by urania View Post
does it make one lose adren by reseting the skill?
Disabling always has, this should be no exception.

DiogoSilva

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2011

Girl

E/

You have to go for diversity, or get trolled by/ troll the other players.

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

that is not ok.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

At first I thought this was dumb. After looking at some builds ran last mAT, I think I am starting to like it.

Dual Invoke teams and Dervs with similar bars are now useless, especially for spiking. Teams will now need 8 different skill bars in order to be effective which promotes build diversity and limits gimmicks. 3 seconds doesn't seem long enough to try to build your skillbars around trying to shutdown enemies (warriors/dervishes bringing monk skills, which is a dumb idea regardless because it effects your monk too). You could make cool plays shutting down an opponent running a similar build though (invoke ele for one team using invoke in anticipation of an enemy spike, thus limiting enemy damage).

Overall it seems like it could be frustrating, but it has potential to do more positive effects than negative I suppose. Random formats, like RA, JQ, and FA will be annoying however with bad teammates with similar skillbars completely limiting your effectiveness.

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

FA&JQ will be fun.

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

So let's say I use Arcane Larceny/Thievery and steal a Monk spell. If I then use that Monk spell, it would cause the flux effect, right?

Also, are NPCs affected by this?

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

probably the best flux so far
/me gusta

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ View Post
So let's say I use Arcane Larceny/Thievery and steal a Monk spell. If I then use that Monk spell, it would cause the flux effect, right?

Also, are NPCs affected by this?
I think you're right about the Thievery/Larency but the Flux stupulates that only players are affected.

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Edit: Now it's clear why they waited until Snowballing was over....

Mr Markiisi

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2012

[ohhi]

The sad thing about this flux is that it will nearly completely destroy Dragon Arena. The arena is just too small for this flux, since the effect is "in the area." In addition it discourages close-range dodges, so longballs might get popular.

And... the saddest part is that when your team wipes and the enemy team has surrounded your res shrine, you have no way to defeat the enemy team with only 1 dragon blast + 1 winds every 3 seconds. It's not enough to push the enemy team away. If the enemy team happens to be a sync team, it's instant defeat.

After the december flux I certainly was not expecting an even more horrible flux. The flux ruined snowball and the ats was a joke. Last 2 days were pure nostalgia. Gotta give Anet a little credit for trying so hard to defile event games.

Dragon Arena is already ruined, so now I'm looking forward into April. Then will be the next Dragon Arena event and HOPEFULLY anet has realized, by then, how silly these fluxes are in special event minigames.

1st post btw. And you may wonder why.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Good job trashing Rollerbeetle Racing, ANet. Every race will start with people mashing 2 and 3 at start.

CE Devilman

CE Devilman

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Do U Trust Anet

N/Mo

so..no z-trapping the next 30 days

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Actually a clever idea for a change.

With that being said, this doesn't excuse not addressing problem skills; it just puts it off for another month.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Oh, Chinese New Year is 23rd January and Canthan New Year always falls in alignment with it. So, as already mentioned, Dragon Arena and RBR will be worse than ever.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Actually a clever idea for a change.
It's a great idea, but the timing of its implementation is terrible. RBR already has enough ping wars problems at the start, and DA will be straight up unplayable.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
It's a great idea, but the timing of its implementation is terrible. RBR already has enough ping wars problems at the start, and DA will be straight up unplayable.
This.

Its unreal how bad the ping is during Canthan New Year, the flux is a good idea but heck theres no big events happening in February why not do it then? Obviously Anet are trying to make Dragon Arena, Rollerbeetle Racing and PvP more of a challenge but in truth its going to be awfull and downright unplayable/frustrating, if isint that already for most players because of ping issues.

Well see how things pan out but its completely ruined that event from both the DA and RBR players perspectives. Great timing Anet.

Pol

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
Good job trashing Rollerbeetle Racing, ANet. Every race will start with people mashing 2 and 3 at start.
Lol so amazing

wilson

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

aggro bubble

[RD];[FW];[GOTS];[baed];[kiSu]

It looks bad at first but played some and turns out it is actually very fun. Gives the game a new "dimension" really.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
It's a great idea, but the timing of its implementation is terrible. RBR already has enough ping wars problems at the start, and DA will be straight up unplayable.
My opinion exactly.

First thought: "Wow, this sounds fun!"

After reading thread: "RBR and DA are gonna get f***ed..."

Vincent Evan

Vincent Evan

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

Ancestral Lands

Dont Rage [シシ]

A/W

Very interesting flux.

jazilla

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

This just promotes botting in RBR more. You can't be annoyed for what you aren't at your computer for.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jazilla View Post
This just promotes botting in RBR more. You can't be annoyed for what you aren't at your computer for.
I would like to know how you think bots can put up with getting their skills disabled.

lursey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

d2

R/N

nice flux direction~!

Horace Slughorn

Horace Slughorn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2008

Experientia Docet [OHX], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA], We Gat Dis [HRUU]

W/

Anet held off on implementing the january flux until after snowball ATs were finished. Perhaps this means they are sensitive to the festival game-playing community and will address flux as needed during canthan new year... we can only hope

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

Anet can certainly selectively disable/enable fluxes for whatever minigame they like. I don't think we should start worrying about that TOO much.

Its certainly an interesting change for PvP. Is it going to affect AB properly since there are 3 separate teams for each side though?

Mr Markiisi

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2012

[ohhi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn View Post
Anet held off on implementing the january flux until after snowball ATs were finished. Perhaps this means they are sensitive to the festival game-playing community and will address flux as needed during canthan new year... we can only hope
Don't hold your breath. They already sledgehammered snowball. Why would they stop now?

+ https://forum.guildwars.com/forum/fo...s/Flux-missing
They said it was a bug/error/whatever. It was not intentional.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunder View Post
Anet can certainly selectively disable/enable fluxes for whatever minigame they like.
What they can do is not always what they will intend to do. People should certainly continue to make a fuss about this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Markiisi View Post
Don't hold your breath. They already sledgehammered snowball. Why would they stop now?
You say that like the Flux we had for Snowball was a bad thing.

Mr Markiisi

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2012

[ohhi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post

You say that like the Flux we had for Snowball was a bad thing.
Oh yes it was. The flux was just so awful. It rewarded people who got lucky spawns and people who didn't know how to DnD. Also Dwayna was clearly too overpowered with the flux.

jazilla

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
I would like to know how you think bots can put up with getting their skills disabled.
Would you rather be annoyed by skills being disabled in RBR while playing, or would you rather have your bot that can't get annoyed because it's a bot deal with it? I don't know why I care actually as I stopped doing RBR a few years back. My ping isn't good enough to crack the top ten. I got Numchuck Skillz and stopped.

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
What they can do is not always what they will intend to do. People should certainly continue to make a fuss about this.
I don't disagree, just saying that people shouldn't automatically assume that Anet is ending Dragon Arena and Rollerbeatles before they even see what happens.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Markiisi View Post
Oh yes it was. The flux was just so awful. It rewarded people who got lucky spawns and people who didn't know how to DnD. Also Dwayna was clearly too overpowered with the flux.
Dwayna being overpowered is something that should be fixed by making Dwayna not overpowered. DnD is the stupidest shit ever while also being possibly the easiest thing to make a bot for and get away with.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
I would like to know how you think bots can put up with getting their skills disabled.
It might not advantage bots in a specific match (though bots can certainly spam their skills faster to lock out humans if need be). The main concern I have (or would have if I cared about rollerbeatles) is that random skill disabling makes the final race time even more random. Increased randomness = increased advantage to those who race more times, and Bots are of course able to race 24/7 until the rare odds win out. You can therefore expect getting into the leaderboards without botting to be even harder and require more luck/team stacking.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by jazilla View Post
Would you rather be annoyed by skills being disabled in RBR while playing, or would you rather have your bot that can't get annoyed because it's a bot deal with it? I don't know why I care actually as I stopped doing RBR a few years back. My ping isn't good enough to crack the top ten. I got Numchuck Skillz and stopped.
Your making a lot of assumptions that most top players playing RBR use bots I can tell you they dont.

Incidentally if you dont care about RBR then there is no reason to complain about it no?

Pol

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by CE Devilman View Post
so..no z-trapping the next 30 days
I hardly think Zaishen arenas are a concern for Flux effects, but regardless, only one trapper is necessary for blowing up Zaishen Elite with traps. Flux will have no effect on the single trapper in the team. Other 3 party slots are free, and may even be filled with Zaishen hench.

Fluffy Kittens

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2009

This flux obviously wont be in the rollerbeetle, simply because it would make it unplayable.
So, since they have to disable it for rollerbeetle they'll probably disable it for DA too. There's no need to panic.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole View Post
This flux obviously wont be in the rollerbeetle, simply because it would make it unplayable.
So, since they have to disable it for rollerbeetle they'll probably disable it for DA too. There's no need to panic.
DA still gives 5 points per win, and the gamer title has been around for like 6 years.

Anet don't care.

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole View Post
This flux obviously wont be in the rollerbeetle, simply because it would make it unplayable.
So, since they have to disable it for rollerbeetle they'll probably disable it for DA too. There's no need to panic.
Well seems like you were right!

Pol

St??phane Lo Presti

St??phane Lo Presti

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2010

Seattle

I discussed with the Live Team to clarify the matter and can confirm that January's flux will not impact Dragon Arena and Rollerbeetle Racing.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

EDIT:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti View Post
I discussed with the Live Team to clarify the matter and can confirm that January's flux will not impact Dragon Arena and Rollerbeetle Racing.
Thank you very much.