Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a lot of players tend to leave GW for good after they score 50/50 HoM? I know the game is old nad new content hasn't been released in a while but this is something different... I think. 50/50 HoM seemed like a goal for many players and after they got one, they lost the passion to play the game.
I don't know if it has been suggested in here but I thought maybe aNet could give another goal to reach by leaving the 50/50 as a max one with the current status, but add only ONE extra GW2 reward title ("Legendary Completionist" or just simply "Completionist" or w/e) for (insert your idea here)...
my ideas (sorted acording to HoM monuments):
-Devotion: 100+ minis (50 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 113 minis total in the game, excluding asian gives 103. 100 seems aquireable.
-Fellowship: Keiran + Miku statues in addition to all others
-Honor: 50 statues (40 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 53 total available, commander not possible to aquire. That would leave 2 titles one could miss. It could liven up pvp a bit...
-Resilience: all 20 armors (7 is now the maximum one gets reward for)
-Valor: all 44 weapons including Imperial (15 is now the maximum one gets reward for)
I will emphasize it again: they could leave 50/50 hom as a max one. just point out that one would get another title for fulfiling additional req.
edit:
some French guys alrdy mad a fan-made version of the HoM calculator that awards 100 points instead of 50.
http://exthom.spyl.net/?lang=en_US
50/50 HoM kills it?
Mordiego
Olle
So after getting FULL HoM, wasting more cash, grinding eaven more, they can quit..?
the 50/50 doesnt matter that much tbh, its the persons view, alot people are finished with the game after 50/50.
Me?
Im on my third 50/50 account, soon got 30 points.
TL;DR It will only add more grinding before people leave
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Miniature polar bear, minature Zhang, Miniature peacekeeper,Miniature greased lightning, Strongbox minis..
Need to say more?
all of those unded together is atleast 2,000 ectos.
/notsigned.
the 50/50 doesnt matter that much tbh, its the persons view, alot people are finished with the game after 50/50.
Me?
Im on my third 50/50 account, soon got 30 points.
TL;DR It will only add more grinding before people leave
EDIT:
Miniature polar bear, minature Zhang, Miniature peacekeeper,Miniature greased lightning, Strongbox minis..
Need to say more?
all of those unded together is atleast 2,000 ectos.
/notsigned.
Lil Leena
No. Just No.
As Olle stated, those minis that are high-end (not asian) are really expensive and out of most peoples reach, not to mention there aren't as many in circulation as the lower end ones. Doesn't seem fair imo.
As for making people obtain more titles-more grind, more money. People don't want to be forced to PvP. The 50/50 (or 35) is very obtainable for most people. by pushing it to 100 you'd just create an even bigger gold sink.
Bad idea.
As Olle stated, those minis that are high-end (not asian) are really expensive and out of most peoples reach, not to mention there aren't as many in circulation as the lower end ones. Doesn't seem fair imo.
As for making people obtain more titles-more grind, more money. People don't want to be forced to PvP. The 50/50 (or 35) is very obtainable for most people. by pushing it to 100 you'd just create an even bigger gold sink.
Bad idea.
turbo234
adding more things to do will just hold them off that much longer. people will get bored when they've achieved everything(everything reasonable at least) and move on.
jazilla
50/50 is perfect. What's even more perfect imo is that you can get all the HoM calculator items for GW2 with just 30. They didn't make it too easy or too hard. If you want 50/50 you have to do some work for it, but it's just titles.
Mintha Syl
Horrible idea. If some quit after getting 50/50 that's cause they only played for that goal to start with. So why "force" them to stay?
People who play cause they like te game in all and all don't quit cause of that, and sure we don't need other useless things to give you stuff for GW2.
And also, quoting for the truth:
People who play cause they like te game in all and all don't quit cause of that, and sure we don't need other useless things to give you stuff for GW2.
And also, quoting for the truth:
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It will only add more grinding before people leave
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Mordiego
That's what I mean: an option to grind for the ones who like to grind or got nothing else to do. Nothing obligatory.
Olle
Making the max score 100(cant make it 51 really) would mean i am not max.
If im not max it would mean i need to be maxxed.
I and many others dont kindly waste 1000e+- (reselling after dedication that is).
If im not max it would mean i need to be maxxed.
I and many others dont kindly waste 1000e+- (reselling after dedication that is).
Missing HB
If it's about adding extra things in HoM related to PvP and, furthermore, that could make it live more a little, then for sure /signed...
But if it's not, you can see where this will go... I think there are already enough good rewards for grinds in the game( grinding in PvE UW/DoA 24/7 like an addict already gives a sufficient reward i guess, or allows you to buy the 50/50 at least...), and the game is already enough abused ...
How fun will it be, people farming 24/7 or abusing PvP with extra accounts will be the only ones( apart of GvG mat winners) to buy those other points....
I don't disagree that we would need more things to do and HoM could be more than 50/50, but the idea about making it even more about grind isn't really fine...
But if it's not, you can see where this will go... I think there are already enough good rewards for grinds in the game( grinding in PvE UW/DoA 24/7 like an addict already gives a sufficient reward i guess, or allows you to buy the 50/50 at least...), and the game is already enough abused ...
How fun will it be, people farming 24/7 or abusing PvP with extra accounts will be the only ones( apart of GvG mat winners) to buy those other points....
I don't disagree that we would need more things to do and HoM could be more than 50/50, but the idea about making it even more about grind isn't really fine...
Swingline
Not everyone is the same but for most its generally agreed that once a person has gotten 50/50 they have experienced most if not all of the game. For me I still play because I have friends that play and there is nothing else out in terms of online MMOs that I want to play.
/notsigned
We don't need more HoM crap. We need more stuff to encourage people to play with other people instead of loading heroes. People make online games interesting. Sure your going to run into idiots but after getting 50/50 and gwamm with heroes I actually try to find zaishen quest groups that don't use heroes because its fun.
In short, heroes get the job done but they won't make it as interesting as people.
/notsigned
We don't need more HoM crap. We need more stuff to encourage people to play with other people instead of loading heroes. People make online games interesting. Sure your going to run into idiots but after getting 50/50 and gwamm with heroes I actually try to find zaishen quest groups that don't use heroes because its fun.
In short, heroes get the job done but they won't make it as interesting as people.
Reformed
It'd probably put a lot of pressure on the mini market if the supply started to dip on limited ones. Good if you happen to have a stash of them to exploit it with I suppose. If it came down to resource allocation and getting people to play the game I'd prefer they made a new dungeon or updated Sorrows Furnace instead of extended HoM activity.
Xsiriss
50/50 means you should play a different game, even MMO's have to end somewhere (even if it's a subjective thing). It does NOT mean you whine about there being nothing more to do in a 6 year old game.
Mireles
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Originally Posted by Mordiego
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a lot of players tend to leave GW for good after they score 50/50 HoM? I know the game is old nad new content hasn't been released in a while but this is something different... I think. 50/50 HoM seemed like a goal for many players and after they got one, they lost the passion to play the game.
I don't know if it has been suggested in here but I thought maybe aNet could give another goal to reach by leaving the 50/50 as a max one with the current status, but add only ONE extra GW2 reward title ("Legendary Completionist" or just simply "Completionist" or w/e) for (insert your idea here)... my ideas (sorted acording to HoM monuments): -Devotion: 100+ minis (50 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 113 minis total in the game, excluding asian gives 103. 100 seems aquireable. -Fellowship: Keiran + Miku statues in addition to all others -Honor: 50 statues (40 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 53 total available, commander not possible to aquire. That would leave 2 titles one could miss. It could liven up pvp a bit... -Resilience: all 20 armors (7 is now the maximum one gets reward for) -Valor: all 44 weapons including Imperial (15 is now the maximum one gets reward for) I will emphasize it again: they could leave 50/50 hom as a max one. just point out that one would get another title for fulfiling additional req. |
I think HoM rewards are casual enough and need to stay that way.... People that have mass resources and experience to be a "completionist" shouldn't carry over into GW2 in the from of an extra title over normal 50/50 if its going to be a new game. All adding another separate reward/title is going to do is make people complain that its to hard until they make it easier, like the past 3-4 years.
However I do feel that adding some content titles for GW beyond or quest completions and upping the max title track would give ppl something to do...and have whatever rank in that track go to gw2 with your respective rank over 30 titles. You can add that because its already going to be a title your just adding ranks.
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We don't need more HoM crap. We need more stuff to encourage people to play with other people instead of loading heroes. People make online games interesting. Sure your going to run into idiots but after getting 50/50 and gwamm with heroes I actually try to find zaishen quest groups that don't use heroes because its fun.
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Essence Snow
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Originally Posted by Mordiego
my ideas (sorted acording to HoM monuments):
-Devotion: 100+ minis (50 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 113 minis total in the game, excluding asian gives 103. 100 seems aquireable. -Fellowship: Keiran + Miku statues in addition to all others -Honor: 50 statues (40 is now the maximum one gets reward for). 53 total available, commander not possible to aquire. That would leave 2 titles one could miss. It could liven up pvp a bit... -Resilience: all 20 armors (7 is now the maximum one gets reward for) -Valor: all 44 weapons including Imperial (15 is now the maximum one gets reward for) I will emphasize it again: they could leave 50/50 hom as a max one. just point out that one would get another title for fulfiling additional req. |
Might I suggest you work on codex, hero, champ and obtaining those last 3 minis?
You cannot leave 50/50 as max then add soemthing above it b/c simply put then 50/50 would no longer be max.
I'm sry that in GW2 you will only be one of myrads of 50/50 ppl starting out.
bhavv
No, what a terrible idea.
Its just points and titles, you dont need any of that stuff and to require that much grind to fill everything up would be beyond retarded.
100+ minis and 20+ armour sets ... Completely impossible from a storage perspective, no sane person would want to do that. Theres no point in giving just the few people who have all that junk anything extra just so they can feel like they are better than everyone else.
Its just points and titles, you dont need any of that stuff and to require that much grind to fill everything up would be beyond retarded.
100+ minis and 20+ armour sets ... Completely impossible from a storage perspective, no sane person would want to do that. Theres no point in giving just the few people who have all that junk anything extra just so they can feel like they are better than everyone else.
Rumi The Poet
50/50 is incredibly easy to attain considering all the services offered. All youd need to
do is join an experienced guild and just leech your way to victory basically. Im the only
one i know of that thought the 50/50 requirement was setting a low standard in
achievement. Everyone who has the time to play will acquire 50/50 making it more
common than peanut butter and jelly. And what of the people with multiple GWAMM's?
Sorry but you wasted your time.. 1 GWAMM is basically the same as 10 GWAMMS
according to 50/50. Anet knew this before they created HoM calculator.. My guess is a
high up staffer with very little time to play wanted max reputation for GW2 so they
made it really lame for them.
do is join an experienced guild and just leech your way to victory basically. Im the only
one i know of that thought the 50/50 requirement was setting a low standard in
achievement. Everyone who has the time to play will acquire 50/50 making it more
common than peanut butter and jelly. And what of the people with multiple GWAMM's?
Sorry but you wasted your time.. 1 GWAMM is basically the same as 10 GWAMMS
according to 50/50. Anet knew this before they created HoM calculator.. My guess is a
high up staffer with very little time to play wanted max reputation for GW2 so they
made it really lame for them.
Mists
No thanks.
50/50 is enough of a "completion" goal for me. If you need something else to do, try to get GWAMM on one of your characters.
50/50 is enough of a "completion" goal for me. If you need something else to do, try to get GWAMM on one of your characters.
drowze
I have 50/50, almost completed my second GWAMM... I might work on a third one, if I get an interesting hero team going again. I completely understand that some people have had enough of after getting 50/50 and a gwamm though. I would have quit GW a long time ago, if it weren't for some great ingame friends that I play with most of the time.
About getting more points for hom, no ty... but any new content is good for me. Still looking forward to the final chapter of WoC^^
About getting more points for hom, no ty... but any new content is good for me. Still looking forward to the final chapter of WoC^^
cosyfiep
/not signed....some of the minis are just NOT OBTAINABLE!!
as a person who is getting a full + HoM (yes I am working on getting all of what the OP said--BUT, I also know there are things that just aint gonna' happen).
after 30/50 its all a title why bother to get another? There are a few that are working on this already--the anal amongst us (ME for one
)....but other than the feeling of accomplishment??? no, totally NOT needed!
as a person who is getting a full + HoM (yes I am working on getting all of what the OP said--BUT, I also know there are things that just aint gonna' happen).
after 30/50 its all a title why bother to get another? There are a few that are working on this already--the anal amongst us (ME for one
)....but other than the feeling of accomplishment??? no, totally NOT needed!
Jim Beam
Ya id like it if they added a higher cap on the calculator, hell id like it if they added a special item for anyone who reaches 50/50 but thats besides the point.
Tbh I dont get the reasoning behind, "anything beyond 50 is to much grind", its supposed to be giving people who already have a maxed hall something else to do. Seriously, is adding a higher cap gonna hurt anyone?
Tbh I dont get the reasoning behind, "anything beyond 50 is to much grind", its supposed to be giving people who already have a maxed hall something else to do. Seriously, is adding a higher cap gonna hurt anyone?
Kunder
Stupid idea. And I say this as someone who has several of the most expensive minis dedicated and could probably buy the points instantly.
All this will do is make players grind and farm more, which is what 95% of players are doing nowadays anyway. At the same time, the greater mountain of grind will discourage new players from beginning to play, which is what Guild Wars actually needs right now.
All this will do is make players grind and farm more, which is what 95% of players are doing nowadays anyway. At the same time, the greater mountain of grind will discourage new players from beginning to play, which is what Guild Wars actually needs right now.
ACWhammy
There is a french fan website that has an unofficial hall of monuments calculator which goes up to 100/100. It's pretty neat and I've used it, not sure if I'm allowed to list it here though.
Venganza
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EDIT: Miniature polar bear, minature Zhang, Miniature peacekeeper,Miniature greased lightning, Strongbox minis.. Need to say more? all of those unded together is atleast 2,000 ectos. /notsigned. |
Multiply 2000e many times and you will arrive at the correct figure (currently), then if this half-baked idea was implemented, multiply some more to factor in huge demand vs impossibility to source any
Lillium
Seriously? You can't just be happy with the reward in GW1 of having your ridiculous max pvp titles, excessive armor collection, impeccable weapon collections, and high end miniatures? Most of these things are rewards in themselves - my excessive armor collection certainly is.
GW1 is a fun game. Playing it for its own rewards is plenty. We don't need even bigger epeen titles, which it would only be possible for a very very small percentage to obtain purely for the small number of some of those minis even in the game, that can be waved around.
/NotSigned
GW1 is a fun game. Playing it for its own rewards is plenty. We don't need even bigger epeen titles, which it would only be possible for a very very small percentage to obtain purely for the small number of some of those minis even in the game, that can be waved around.
/NotSigned
Bloss
50/50 HoM is now a relitively manageble goal for different kind of players. Which is how a game should be, the ones who want more will achieve stuff like max Kurz/Lux/Treasure/Wisdom etc for fun anyway.
Same goes for your armor/weapon collections. Bet half of the people here have a VS/E-blade/Envoy weapon/DSR etc even though it's not part of HoM. Armor combos I see often enough too, you need full sets for HoM...
Mini's were never my thing.. but 50(?) is quite a reasonable amount, it's 'dedication' I think it might resemble 5 years with all 10 profs or something. Just like tormented weapons might resemble doing DoA, Oppressor doing WiK etc. To me HoM makes a bit of sense in such a way.
If everything was 'just' about HoM everyone would be spamming gold spears (zaishen emote) in FoW armor hunting their next points. I don't see that happening tbh. I see people play PvP not (just) for HoM, see people trade stuff that's in price about the same has HoM, see 50/50 players still play... So no.
Same goes for your armor/weapon collections. Bet half of the people here have a VS/E-blade/Envoy weapon/DSR etc even though it's not part of HoM. Armor combos I see often enough too, you need full sets for HoM...
Mini's were never my thing.. but 50(?) is quite a reasonable amount, it's 'dedication' I think it might resemble 5 years with all 10 profs or something. Just like tormented weapons might resemble doing DoA, Oppressor doing WiK etc. To me HoM makes a bit of sense in such a way.
If everything was 'just' about HoM everyone would be spamming gold spears (zaishen emote) in FoW armor hunting their next points. I don't see that happening tbh. I see people play PvP not (just) for HoM, see people trade stuff that's in price about the same has HoM, see 50/50 players still play... So no.
The Drunkard
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I will emphasize it again: they could leave 50/50 hom as a max one. just point out that one would get another title for fulfiling additional req.
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enter_the_zone
And, if you really want something to do after 50/50..... get it on another account.
AmoebaInfectionTechnique
+1 in the obsidian armor is a pain in the ass to get if you just play casually.
Mordiego
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There is a french fan website that has an unofficial hall of monuments calculator which goes up to 100/100. It's pretty neat and I've used it, not sure if I'm allowed to list it here though.
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http://exthom.spyl.net/?lang=en_US
pretty awesome funmade calculator.
Bright Star Shine
There's plenty of titles to max, if you're done with your HoM, max treasure hunter, wisdom, unlucky and lucky, that'll keep you busy for a while longer. When you're done with that, try other stuff, get into SC'ing if you haven't already, if you don't want that, get into PvP if you haven't already and if you really don't want any of that stuff, start a new 50/50 account, or play another game.
Aeronwen
I had 50/50 almost as soon as it came out and I am still playing. If you enjoy the game play it, if you don't why are you grinding for a title?
drkn
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I had 50/50 almost as soon as it came out and I am still playing. If you enjoy the game play it, if you don't why are you grinding for a title?
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Also, +1 Bright. I got 50/50 soon after HoM was released, and i already had GWAMM; yet, i'm still working on my Luxon, Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, Lucky and Unlucky titles whenever i feel like playing GW, just for fun.
Gill Halendt
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This. I only really lacked the obsidian armour, a tormented weapon and some oppressor weapons (had all destro weapons before HoM came).
Also, +1 Bright. I got 50/50 soon after HoM was released, and i already had GWAMM; yet, i'm still working on my Luxon, Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, Lucky and Unlucky titles whenever i feel like playing GW, just for fun. |
Kiara Krawn
/sign
I think this is a great idea. 50/50 and GWAMM is just too easy.
For those players who have done much more than that, this would be a great motivation to come back to the game.
I think this is a great idea. 50/50 and GWAMM is just too easy.
For those players who have done much more than that, this would be a great motivation to come back to the game.
Essence Snow
^^ And buying zkeys is hard?....lol
I'd be worried bout having an increase chance at getting hack having visited there. Ofc any 3rd party anything makes me think of hacks.
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Swingline
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/sign
I think this is a great idea. 50/50 and GWAMM is just too easy. For those players who have done much more than that, this would be a great motivation to come back to the game. http://i39.tinypic.com/3094mr4.png |
What about the other people that don't have millions in cash? Stop thinking about yourself.
carnage-runner
At 90 minis. Everything else maxed. 47 or 48 honor statues... It would make me wanna get the rest for sure.
/signed
/signed
Kunder
Governments should offer virtual online trophies for paying more taxes, if thats enough "incentive" to get idiots to do boring, mindless tasks that they otherwise wouldn't do. Maybe even a golden star to wear on your shirt if you are the top 1% of tax payers, to show everyone else how much better you are then them at wasting your time for meaningless rewards.
Lanier
This is an awful idea. I'm already having trouble finding time to work on all the titles/get money for all the minis for 50/50. Any more than 50 is completely rediculous.
Gabriel of Ravn
Awful idea for the sake of the majority of the players and the idea of a completionist title is a joke in itself since you don't even have to "complete" the PvP titles to put it in HoM along with others.
/notsigned
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