Team Build: 7H Triple Mesmer Melee Support. V4

I'm considering getting 3 mercs and if I do I will put a merc version up. That was also what I bought. In terms of optimizing builds, you should not need more than 3.

Currently, I have Rit, Mes, Mes as my 3 mercs. With this configuration, I can have a max of 5 mesmers+2 rits or 4 mesmers+3 rits. I don't foresee that I would ever need more than 3 rits, at least in the near future. One SoS, one defensive ST, and maybe one SoGM or Wanderlust communing would be the max number of rits needed in most build configurations that I would be interested in.



If you ask me to rank your build, I would give it a 7 or 7.5 out of 10 without trying it out yet.

I don't like bringing death nova and minions because it tends to slow down the team if you need to move fast from place to place. In some other situations where there are lots of corpses and you don't need to move around much, it would probably perform better.

I also don't really like a curse necro because they usually only bring debuffs and some damage. MoP is nice but without AP, its use is quite limited even if you micro. If you don't micro, it is even worse. At least a prot smiter can provide damage, utility, and prots/heals.

Also no source of cracked armor. There is no need to have 3 fallbacks. I would replace one FB with another copy of SYG so that heroes can chain SYG. The MoP actually does some pretty good damage with PoD and the other enchantment hating skills.

I don't have cracked armour because I play a Sin and all my damage is armour ignoring anyway. You could very happily drop Shadow of Fear for Weaken Armour or Spirit Rift over the res on the SoS.

I'm actually going to be dropping the SYG on V.3 since the ST makes it fairly redundant, it's only there for the first team for when you're charging your first SY. I'm max Lux though and playing a sin with no other adren skills so it might not be possible for a war or derv with a low allegiance to perma SY.

There is never any "need" for 3 fall backs but I use this for vanq'ing alot and by god is it wonderful to have 3 Fall Backs when you're looking for that last enemy who dug himself into a hole so you can't see him.

About MoP. The more I use it and the more practiced I get with it the more I like it. With the initial ball of most mobs I will easily get 5 triggers off which = 200 damage and if things didn't go perfectly and you had to clear up a few more melee you can use it again on any balled casters. Also I hate Smiting heroes.

When I next update the team I will have some optional slots so people can optimize it for what they want to do.

Yes MoP does good damage but how reliable is it if you don't micro it? Furthermore, it has a 20s recharge without AP, if the MoP hexed target dies you have to wait awhile for it to recharge before you can use it on the next target. But having MoP in the build is not a deal breaker either.



Yes I don't think you can assume that SY is always maintained 100% of the time, especially for any class/W. The good thing about SYG is that heroes chain it fairly well when needed and because of its long recharge, it doesn't drain too much energy.



If you have extra skill slots with nothing better to use, then sure. But since your main character is a melee class, I am sure you can find other suitable skills in the Command attribute that would boost your damage or buff your team, other than FB. If you're not going to micro MoP then don't take it. When you do micro it and you have a good ball though you get stupid amounts of damage. 20s recharge means it will be up for the start of every fight which is when it's in its element. Oh, and if the MoP target dies then it's pretty likely that everything around it died first.

Suggest something to replace Fall Back with. Chaos storm would be pointless with this team, Overload is probably too hard on their energy, Shatter Enchantment means im trading the AoE damage from PoD for the same damage just single target.

Never Give Up and Never Surrender are both ruined by the AI. They will use it the moment 1 person drops below 75% health.

Find their weakness is on a 15 sec c/d. That means in most fights I get one deep wound from it. Things die so fast that it really wouldn't help either.

I find that I generally have more than 20 seconds in between each fight so by the same logic you use to justify the first or second copy of Fall Back you can justify the third. Make move fast good. Depending on the area, I would generally rather take something that I can use in battle than to sacrifice 3 skill slots for moving around faster. To each his own.

Depending on the area, I would generally rather take something that I can use in battle than to sacrifice 3 skill slots for moving around faster. To each his own. The way I look at it is this. Pretty much anything "works" in pve. That is to say almost any team can get you through HM. The goal then becomes making your team super idiot proof and/or fast.

I have enough idiot proofing with all my defence so I want speed.

The way I look at it is this. Pretty much anything "works" in pve. That is to say almost any team can get you through HM. The goal then becomes making your team super idiot proof and/or fast.

I have enough idiot proofing with all my defence so I want speed. Pretty much anything works in pve? That statement depends on whether the build is only designed to work for vanquishing or it is also designed for the elite areas in HM. If it is only meant for vanquishing then it doesn't matter.