UW/FoW farming, best speed/drops combination?
Andemius
Hello people.
I am well aware of the many builds out there for farming UW and FoW, however, I never seem to be able to find a good one which balances time taken for a run with a decent amount of foes killed.
I've tried SoS in vairous areas, while it seems strong, it's not terribly fast (at least I think), and it takes a while to rack up a lot of kills.
I've tried D/A (or A/D) for the plains, which is good, but seems very slow, although you do kill a lot of foes, I never seem to have a run faster than 20mins.
I'm also aware that there's a few Dervish builds floating around for spiking the smites (last one I tried was centred around VoStrength).
I've ran SoS on the beach in FoW (spider cave too), which has been the best FoW build i've tried.
I've also tried a forest farming assasin, which has very fast runs, but few foes, just the shepherds (i think :S the lightning eles)
So do you have any opinions as to which is the best expendature of time against amount of foes?
I am well aware of the many builds out there for farming UW and FoW, however, I never seem to be able to find a good one which balances time taken for a run with a decent amount of foes killed.
I've tried SoS in vairous areas, while it seems strong, it's not terribly fast (at least I think), and it takes a while to rack up a lot of kills.
I've tried D/A (or A/D) for the plains, which is good, but seems very slow, although you do kill a lot of foes, I never seem to have a run faster than 20mins.
I'm also aware that there's a few Dervish builds floating around for spiking the smites (last one I tried was centred around VoStrength).
I've ran SoS on the beach in FoW (spider cave too), which has been the best FoW build i've tried.
I've also tried a forest farming assasin, which has very fast runs, but few foes, just the shepherds (i think :S the lightning eles)
So do you have any opinions as to which is the best expendature of time against amount of foes?
Calista Blackblood
Learn speedclear roles.
Andemius
Calista Blackblood
It is the perfect answer to your question. You just chose to not accept it.
Speedclears are often dismissed but it's not hard to find a guild that's willing to teach you. Most require reasonable knowledge and some pve skill ranks but it's not exactly difficult to get there. Nobody gets anything for free,the effort you put in is equal in reward.
Solo builds while great in their own right,can only ever be capable of farming so much of an area. You want more drops in less time then the solution is a simple one,do more of the area. Speedclears facilitate that..
Speedclears are often dismissed but it's not hard to find a guild that's willing to teach you. Most require reasonable knowledge and some pve skill ranks but it's not exactly difficult to get there. Nobody gets anything for free,the effort you put in is equal in reward.
Solo builds while great in their own right,can only ever be capable of farming so much of an area. You want more drops in less time then the solution is a simple one,do more of the area. Speedclears facilitate that..
MisterB
Ranger can solo the entire Underworld, minus the quests. It's not exactly fast; quite the opposite.
Warrior can solo Smites with various builds; Hundred Blades should be comparable to Vow of Strength. Warrior can also solo beach and spider cave, but don't run PvX bars, because Dolyak is slow. Warrior can clear beach and cave in less than 25 minutes, and 20 should be possible. UW smite solo is 7 or 8 minutes on warrior I believe.
How long did spirits in FoW take? I'm curious.
Solo builds eliminate time spent forming a party, don't require cons, and can be left at any time without hurting the group. They also don't depend on the group for performance. I don't doubt that SC's are more profitable in the long run, but zzzz, SC's.
Warrior can solo Smites with various builds; Hundred Blades should be comparable to Vow of Strength. Warrior can also solo beach and spider cave, but don't run PvX bars, because Dolyak is slow. Warrior can clear beach and cave in less than 25 minutes, and 20 should be possible. UW smite solo is 7 or 8 minutes on warrior I believe.
How long did spirits in FoW take? I'm curious.
Solo builds eliminate time spent forming a party, don't require cons, and can be left at any time without hurting the group. They also don't depend on the group for performance. I don't doubt that SC's are more profitable in the long run, but zzzz, SC's.
Maya Cerestiez
SoSing only the inner chamber wields 16-17 kills of aatxes/skellies. This run takes 6-7 minutes and drops 0-2 ecto per run. Chance of getting an ecto is something like ~85%. This is imo the fastest way to farm ecto + it doesn't cost any cons/no risk of failure if you know what you're doing. entrance cost is halved by the drops. I've farmed +3 stacks of ecto this way and yes it's very boring but still gets the job done.
Vampire of Bone
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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood
Learn speedclear roles.
Such a pointless and stupid response, its clearly not what he was asking.
Doing advanced UW in the current meta doesn't gain you very many ecto at all as you spend a lot of money on pcons.
As for farming builds I found a great one to be R/A whirling farmer and cleaning forest in FoW.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:R/A_Whirling_Farmer
I didn't have much success at the start but now I can ball whole of forest, or almost all sheperds, in about 2 balls and whirling them down. Normally yields at least 2 shards, I've had as many as 6, in about 10-12minutes.
Doing advanced UW in the current meta doesn't gain you very many ecto at all as you spend a lot of money on pcons.
As for farming builds I found a great one to be R/A whirling farmer and cleaning forest in FoW.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:R/A_Whirling_Farmer
I didn't have much success at the start but now I can ball whole of forest, or almost all sheperds, in about 2 balls and whirling them down. Normally yields at least 2 shards, I've had as many as 6, in about 10-12minutes.
turbo234
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Originally Posted by Vampire of Bone
Such a pointless and stupid response, its clearly not what he was asking.
Doing advanced UW in the current meta doesn't gain you very many ecto at all as you spend a lot of money on pcons.
As for farming builds I found a great one to be R/A whirling farmer and cleaning forest in FoW.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:R/A_Whirling_Farmer
I didn't have much success at the start but now I can ball whole of forest, or almost all sheperds, in about 2 balls and whirling them down. Normally yields at least 2 shards, I've had as many as 6, in about 10-12minutes. sc's aren't made for drops, they're made for the end chest. drops you get on the way are just a bonus.
Doing advanced UW in the current meta doesn't gain you very many ecto at all as you spend a lot of money on pcons.
As for farming builds I found a great one to be R/A whirling farmer and cleaning forest in FoW.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:R/A_Whirling_Farmer
I didn't have much success at the start but now I can ball whole of forest, or almost all sheperds, in about 2 balls and whirling them down. Normally yields at least 2 shards, I've had as many as 6, in about 10-12minutes. sc's aren't made for drops, they're made for the end chest. drops you get on the way are just a bonus.
Kiki Go Boom
I agree with Maya Cerestiez. It's an incredibly easy run and you usually get at least one ecto. I once got three ectos in a run.
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Originally Posted by turbo234
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sc's aren't made for drops, they're made for the end chest. drops you get on the way are just a bonus.
This thread is made for drops . Idk why so many people are talking about sc's .
Rhunex
I'm in the boat that Mists describes. I don't have time to wait for practice groups for SCs. I've learned to farm UW and FoW solo as a SoS rit. One weekend I was actually able to clear FoW in NM(took about 5 hours I think).
With all my time farming added up I could do SCs, but in my experience the practice groups take too long to form(30-60 minutes minimum), they fail, and I'm occasionally out a conset or a scroll.
I can solo at my own pace, with no wait, and the drop rate in FoW is pretty damn good for shards. You can clear all monsters in FoW with an SoS(burning forest is a HUGE waste of time, though). For the people who want to do solo, I suggest clearing the beach, the tower of courage, the battlefield, the spider cave, and the forest of the wailing lord. You get a lot of monsters with potentially good drops per 1k spent, it's somewhat quick(once you get used to it) and no waiting! Obviously much easier in NM.
UW farming is also pretty successful, clearing outside the labyrinth is pretty much a waste of time(too much effort for too few drops), but smite crawlers are possible if you spam summon spirits. Best chamber I've seen was 3 ecto and a sapphire(when they peaked around 10k a pop), its usually at least 1 ecto, though sometimes nothing good drops. You always get your 1k back in gold drops though.
With all my time farming added up I could do SCs, but in my experience the practice groups take too long to form(30-60 minutes minimum), they fail, and I'm occasionally out a conset or a scroll.
I can solo at my own pace, with no wait, and the drop rate in FoW is pretty damn good for shards. You can clear all monsters in FoW with an SoS(burning forest is a HUGE waste of time, though). For the people who want to do solo, I suggest clearing the beach, the tower of courage, the battlefield, the spider cave, and the forest of the wailing lord. You get a lot of monsters with potentially good drops per 1k spent, it's somewhat quick(once you get used to it) and no waiting! Obviously much easier in NM.
UW farming is also pretty successful, clearing outside the labyrinth is pretty much a waste of time(too much effort for too few drops), but smite crawlers are possible if you spam summon spirits. Best chamber I've seen was 3 ecto and a sapphire(when they peaked around 10k a pop), its usually at least 1 ecto, though sometimes nothing good drops. You always get your 1k back in gold drops though.
XaiXo
I've been out of the farming game for quite some time, but I know for a fact that variants of the UW farm are still quick ways to earn a bit of cash.
However, you need to elaborate on your request. Are you looking for fast runs with reasonable/good drops, builds that make runs it go faster, or runs that require little set-up prior?
As for fast runs, here are the options off the top of my head. As I mentioned earlier, I've been out of the big farming scene for many years (back when Ectoes were worth double what they are now...Those were the days):
UW Labyrinth clear - Aatxe hunting in the first area(s) of UW. Good for a few ectoes, sometimes a decent drop. Lots of vendor trash quickly accumulates for either salvaging lots of glittering dust or some small change.
UW Smites clear - Still doable, still profitable. Obviously longer than the straight Labyrinth run, but better drops, more likelihood of chests, and more enemies to get ecto drops from.
UW Ranger Run - As somebody already mentioned in this thread, Rangers are capable of doing most of UW. It's not a quick thing, but it's easy to set up. Doesn't require any good timing or skills, just a working build and you're golden.
FoW Beach clear - Probably the best bang for your buck here. Shards are still worthwhile, there are always chests along the way, and it's not as long-winded or tiresome as the UW runs.
FoW chest running - Easy, fairly fast, and possibly profitable.
I'm afraid I can't help much with the current builds for any of those, but I'd wager there's not been much change. Pretty sure 55/160 builds still work in UW, as do Warrior Smite tanks and trapper Rangers. FoW beach clear still works, and possibly even better than before thanks to PvE skills.
Hope that helps.
However, you need to elaborate on your request. Are you looking for fast runs with reasonable/good drops, builds that make runs it go faster, or runs that require little set-up prior?
As for fast runs, here are the options off the top of my head. As I mentioned earlier, I've been out of the big farming scene for many years (back when Ectoes were worth double what they are now...Those were the days):
UW Labyrinth clear - Aatxe hunting in the first area(s) of UW. Good for a few ectoes, sometimes a decent drop. Lots of vendor trash quickly accumulates for either salvaging lots of glittering dust or some small change.
UW Smites clear - Still doable, still profitable. Obviously longer than the straight Labyrinth run, but better drops, more likelihood of chests, and more enemies to get ecto drops from.
UW Ranger Run - As somebody already mentioned in this thread, Rangers are capable of doing most of UW. It's not a quick thing, but it's easy to set up. Doesn't require any good timing or skills, just a working build and you're golden.
FoW Beach clear - Probably the best bang for your buck here. Shards are still worthwhile, there are always chests along the way, and it's not as long-winded or tiresome as the UW runs.
FoW chest running - Easy, fairly fast, and possibly profitable.
I'm afraid I can't help much with the current builds for any of those, but I'd wager there's not been much change. Pretty sure 55/160 builds still work in UW, as do Warrior Smite tanks and trapper Rangers. FoW beach clear still works, and possibly even better than before thanks to PvE skills.
Hope that helps.
tuna-fish_sushi
Might I ask what this ranger UW build is? Trapper? Spirits? Hit and run?
Kiki Go Boom
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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
Might I ask what this ranger UW build is? Trapper? Spirits? Hit and run?
It's the SoS spirit farmer. It can be done by any profession. Some better than others ofcourse.
MisterB
Andemius
Thanks for the replies people!
I'm reading from this that either clearing the Lab with SoS, or the beach is probably my best bet for a decent mix of speed and drops.
RE the SoS in the labrinth, is it purely the aatxes and skeles that you bother with?
I'm reading from this that either clearing the Lab with SoS, or the beach is probably my best bet for a decent mix of speed and drops.
RE the SoS in the labrinth, is it purely the aatxes and skeles that you bother with?
MisterB
White_Chaos
I just tried it after long time and got 3 ectos in single run ( most of aataxe spawns). I quit doing it before because of zero drops and time needed.
I'm thinking about duo with my sec acc. Rt clears way up to plains, then I use a 100b to kill smites, while rt takes care of Coldfires and skeletons. To bad I only have a lvled sin on 2. acc.
Is sin a killing smites with 100b or traps possible?
I'm thinking about duo with my sec acc. Rt clears way up to plains, then I use a 100b to kill smites, while rt takes care of Coldfires and skeletons. To bad I only have a lvled sin on 2. acc.
Is sin a killing smites with 100b or traps possible?
bytes
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but i got a similar question like the OP. I'm still reasonably new go GW, about 3 weeks in, and recently convinced a friend to join me for the Hall of Monuments. Now my question is, me being a Ritualist main and all, are duos like this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/6...tml?t=10242460 still viable?
We simply need an insane amount of plat (well, for newbies that is) to even craft armor sets etc. for the hall, not to speak of the costs for the items.
Appreciate your help, it's kinda harsh to get a grip on GW this late in the game, so thanks guys
We simply need an insane amount of plat (well, for newbies that is) to even craft armor sets etc. for the hall, not to speak of the costs for the items.
Appreciate your help, it's kinda harsh to get a grip on GW this late in the game, so thanks guys
MisterB
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Originally Posted by bytes
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but i got a similar question like the OP. I'm still reasonably new go GW, about 3 weeks in, and recently convinced a friend to join me for the Hall of Monuments. Now my question is, me being a Ritualist main and all, are duos like this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/6...tml?t=10242460 still viable?
We simply need an insane amount of plat (well, for newbies that is) to even craft armor sets etc. for the hall, not to speak of the costs for the items.
Appreciate your help, it's kinda harsh to get a grip on GW this late in the game, so thanks guys Just use this for 2 man UW, especially since you're a Ritualist. It's easier, and some of the skills in that linked thread have changed. The UW has also gone through several changes.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_2_Man_Spirit_Farmer
Spiritleech isn't very good, or at least it's overrated.
We simply need an insane amount of plat (well, for newbies that is) to even craft armor sets etc. for the hall, not to speak of the costs for the items.
Appreciate your help, it's kinda harsh to get a grip on GW this late in the game, so thanks guys Just use this for 2 man UW, especially since you're a Ritualist. It's easier, and some of the skills in that linked thread have changed. The UW has also gone through several changes.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_2_Man_Spirit_Farmer
Spiritleech isn't very good, or at least it's overrated.
bytes
So the idea is to simply let the spirits tank and not use the whole lifeleech-tank aspect? How about my monk buddy in this scenario, can you recommend a useful build for him in this case?
Also, does this apply to the UW only, or is spirit tanking the better approach in general these days?
E: oh i see, the build recommends all out spirit and pretty much nothing else, even for the second guy.
Also, does this apply to the UW only, or is spirit tanking the better approach in general these days?
E: oh i see, the build recommends all out spirit and pretty much nothing else, even for the second guy.
hankey
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Originally Posted by MisterB
Spiritleech isn't very good, or at least it's overrated.
true but against mindblades it helps speed up due to hex breaker
Lawliet Kira
If you can't get into a speed clear because of your lack of stones, do what I do. Start your own group asking for 100+. Noone ever thinks of asking the leader for his stones, at not least in my experience in doing it.
hankey
I've read there have been changes to the mindblades due to the AI changes, so is the old D/A // A/D build still viable for the farm?
@lawliet kira: as the OP already explained he isn't interested in SC
edit: scratch that its perfectly fine :/
@lawliet kira: as the OP already explained he isn't interested in SC
edit: scratch that its perfectly fine :/