I feel that I have to clarify to the community what running actually is. I constantly see people making threads saying "LF Mission Runner", or "Need VQ'er to Run me through.."...etc. It is starting to get on my nerves.
Running is the act of a player rapidly transporting other players to other areas of the game. This is commonly known as place-to-place running and requires no fighting, stopping, doing quests, talking to NPC's...etc...it is just running.
Misconceptions
When people refer to doing missions as "mission running", they are incorrect. The person doing the mission is not running at all...they are instead fighting, stopping, talking to NPC's, carrying bundles, etc. There is ZERO running involved when it comes to doing missions. There are exceptions to this such as running through the Gate of Desolation mission in around four minutes...no fighting or stopping or carrying of items is required...simply going from point A to point B...like a regular run.
When people talk about VQ runners...these people are NOT runners at all. These people do not run. Instead they fight, stop, talk to NPC's, and pick up items. Vanquishing is NOT running, it is vanquishing and nothing more.
Doing dungeons is NOT running. There is no such thing as a dungeon runner. The only exception to this is the running involved in certain speedclears such as KathSC.
How to be smart about it
If you are looking for someone to do a mission for you...you are not looking for a mission runner, you are simply looking for someone to do the mission for you.
If you are looking for someone to VQ an area for you, don't ask for a vq runner, ask for someone to vanquish the area for you.
If you are looking for someone to do speedbooks for you, do not ask for them to run missions or run dungeons to do it...ask them to DO the missions.
Conclusion
The only running in this game are place-to-place runs such as Beacon's Perch - Droknar's Forge. Running involves NO stopping, NO fighting, NO picking up items...etc. It is JUST running.
I hope I cleared the air...because many people on these forums are making themselves appear slightly stupid.
~ God Of Fissures
Just to clarify what "running" actually is.
Next Top Runner
Milennin
Because saying something like "dungeon runner" is shorter than saying "someone to do the dungeon for me" and everyone knows they're both the same thing anyway. What's the point?
Next Top Runner
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Because saying something like "dungeon runner" is shorter than saying "someone to do the dungeon for me" and everyone knows they're both the same thing anyway. What's the point?
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Milennin
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They are not the same thing. The point is for people not to be stupid.
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Next Top Runner
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Lol... they are used to describe the same thing, and everyone, including you, does know that. Your point?
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This is the point I am trying to make. You are so used to false terminology that you are ignorant to the truth.
Milennin
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To uneducated players, the terms are interchangeable. To people that actually know what they are talking about, mission "running" and actually doing the mission are two completely different things.
This is the point I am trying to make. You are so used to false terminology that you are ignorant to the truth. |
Oh whatever will he do when he finds out!?
Next Top Runner
You are now throwing the entire point of this thread out the window. I made this thread to educate people on what running IS and what running IS NOT. Stop crying.
Milennin
You're the only one crying here... Everyone knows that running a mission/dungeon means is letting someone else do the mission/dungeon/whatever for you. You'd have to be really naive and stupid to think someone can literally run a mission for you without doing the mission objectives. Or finishing a dungeon by running to the end and not killing a damn thing.
LordDragon
I think the Original Post should have emblazoned across it, Don't Feed The Trolls!.
Talk about an utterly useless topic.
Talk about an utterly useless topic.
Next Top Runner
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You're the only one crying here... Everyone knows that running a mission/dungeon means is letting someone else do the mission/dungeon/whatever for you. You'd have to be really naive and stupid to think someone can literally run a mission for you without doing the mission objectives. Or finishing a dungeon by running to the end and not killing a damn thing.
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Milennin
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The point is that no running is involved...yet people call it running.
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Omar Charrbane
Lol. Alot of rage over alot of nothing.
Moral of the story; Turn off local chat.
Moral of the story; Turn off local chat.
Next Top Runner
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There is. They run from mob to mob.
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Elfblade
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I feel that I have to clarify to the community what running actually is. I constantly see people making threads saying "LF Mission Runner", or "Need VQ'er to Run me through.."...etc. It is starting to get on my nerves.
Running is the act of a player rapidly transporting other players to other areas of the game. This is commonly known as place-to-place running and requires no fighting, stopping, doing quests, talking to NPC's...etc...it is just running. Misconceptions When people refer to doing missions as "mission running", they are incorrect. The person doing the mission is not running at all...they are instead fighting, stopping, talking to NPC's, carrying bundles, etc. There is ZERO running involved when it comes to doing missions. There are exceptions to this such as running through the Gate of Desolation mission in around four minutes...no fighting or stopping or carrying of items is required...simply going from point A to point B...like a regular run. When people talk about VQ runners...these people are NOT runners at all. These people do not run. Instead they fight, stop, talk to NPC's, and pick up items. Vanquishing is NOT running, it is vanquishing and nothing more. Doing dungeons is NOT running. There is no such thing as a dungeon runner. The only exception to this is the running involved in certain speedclears such as KathSC. How to be smart about it If you are looking for someone to do a mission for you...you are not looking for a mission runner, you are simply looking for someone to do the mission for you. If you are looking for someone to VQ an area for you, don't ask for a vq runner, ask for someone to vanquish the area for you. If you are looking for someone to do speedbooks for you, do not ask for them to run missions or run dungeons to do it...ask them to DO the missions. Conclusion The only running in this game are place-to-place runs such as Beacon's Perch - Droknar's Forge. Running involves NO stopping, NO fighting, NO picking up items...etc. It is JUST running. I hope I cleared the air...because many people on these forums are making themselves appear slightly stupid. ~ God Of Fissures |
BTW most people dont care how you get the objective done as long as you do it. (as in they dont care if you run it or fight)
Next Top Runner
Elfblade, I think you are referring to a "rusher". Meaning someone who "rushes through a mission or quest".
Elfblade
You are clueless arent you.
Proof that people use the term running for other stuff then place-to-place running:
and this is just on the first page of services offered and seeking services. The word running(as GAME LINGO) has evolved, to contain this meaning. BTW nowhere is the word rushing mentioned.
Proof that people use the term running for other stuff then place-to-place running:
- http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/l...t10503025.html
- http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/h...t10496311.html
- http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/l...t10502581.html
- http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html
and this is just on the first page of services offered and seeking services. The word running(as GAME LINGO) has evolved, to contain this meaning. BTW nowhere is the word rushing mentioned.
Bristlebane
While running is an ingame-phenomen, I'm sure you can find a definition that fits mission runners as well. Let's see what you find on dictionary.com:
#1 fits the classical map runner, so far so good.
#4 fits people doing missions as their business, aka. a mission runner.
#7 can losely fit as well as the mission runner basically controls everything how, when and if it's done.
#17 ... I leave that up for intepretation.
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1. a person who runs, esp an athlete
... 4. a person engaged in the solicitation of business ... 7. a person who operates, manages, or controls something ... 17. another word for rocker |
#4 fits people doing missions as their business, aka. a mission runner.
#7 can losely fit as well as the mission runner basically controls everything how, when and if it's done.
#17 ... I leave that up for intepretation.
Next Top Runner
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You are clueless arent you.
Proof that people use the term running for other stuff then place-to-place running:
and this is just on the first page of services offered and seeking services. The word running(as GAME LINGO) has evolved, to contain this meaning. BTW nowhere is the word rushing mentioned. |
If you do not care about using the term "running" correctly, then don't reply to this thread.
drkn
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In the end, one might argue that you don't want a 'runner' when you need to get to Rata Sum, so don't look for a 'runner' but for someone who would take you on a tour through EotN (a tourer? a tourist?).
The two terms that are not interchangeable and should be used in proper contexts are running and rushing.
Running -> doing something for others (getting them to X, doing missions, vqs, anything) when the speed is not the priority. In most cases, people who are run can go AFK. If you want me to run Aurora Glade HM for you, while you're AFK, i'll just tell you how long should it take, take your money upfront, give you a vampiric weapon and get down to beating the mission.
To "run someone through something" is to take him along when you complete a given task, because he asked you to.
Rushing -> getting something done as fast as possible. It involves using the top touring builds that rely on speed and player's personal skills rather than overdefensive bar. It involves doing any given task as fast as possible, often getting you a bit more money than if you ran it. Speedbooking is a kind of rushing. Doing the Riverside Province during a full Tyrian tour is rushing, as you want to get the mission done as fast as you can, and it takes priority over doing it 'right' (with bonus, stopping at chests, picking up loot, or letting your client to scrape the map - and yeah, sometimes during Tyrian mission runs, the clients wish to explore the location - and why not?).
To "rush someone through something (or somewhere)" is very similar to running, just the notion of speed takes the whole priority.
Even if stubborningly ignoring the above, you seem to wish to control the language itself. It doesn't work like that. The linguists only observe and describe the language, how it is used by people, and only then provide dictionaries or present rules - based on the observations.
So if the people of Tyria use 'running' to describe all payed activity (in short), it is what 'running' means nowadays, even if it meant something else some time ago. The terminology evolves, especially if not codified since the beginning, and it's normal.
Martin Firestorm
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Next Top Runner
It is blatantly obvious that you people are ignorant to the truth and are just here to troll someone trying to educate and help others.
Sad, really.
Sad, really.
Tullzinski
Now I am 
! Using one account to run the other account to places and through missions, is it running or rushing or just plain old anti-social! 
What is really sad is discussing the "correct" terminolgy of a 6 year old game. I have never seen anyone on any forums asking what the difference is or for a definition.
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! Using one account to run the other account to places and through missions, is it running or rushing or just plain old anti-social! What is really sad is discussing the "correct" terminolgy of a 6 year old game. I have never seen anyone on any forums asking what the difference is or for a definition.
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Bristlebane
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1. a person who runs, esp an athlete
... 4. a person engaged in the solicitation of business |
drkn
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If 'running' was somehow used in the game's own terminology - as in, if ANet introduced this term in the beginning of the game - and thus it was codified, your claims would be totally right and i would support your view, including calling people names. However, as it is now, only 'running' and 'rushing' can be clearly distinguished, based on what i provided earlier.
To say more, 'running' someone to Rata Sum and 'running' someone through Rragar's is, in its essence, the same - someone pays you for an action you are supposed to fulfill, getting the client some non-substantial in-game profit (being able to use a new outpost, having a dungeon completed).
Gill Halendt
So, when people "run a business", they're actually running in their office, boutique or shop...?
Arguing semantics much? Then do it properly...
Arguing semantics much? Then do it properly...
aspi
This must be the weirdest post I have seen in ages here :?
Tullzinski
Uh oh someone needs to fix the wiki now....
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Running
Running in PvE allows players to save considerable time through the avoidance of combat, literally by running past foes.
It can refer to two activities:
Destination running - Covering large distances and unlocking outposts.
Completion running - Completing missions and dungeons.
Both activities are usually paid for near the end of a run. This makes it less likely for either the runner or the client to scam the other.
The survivor title is occasionally at risk during runs, so make sure to ask a runner if the run is safe for survivors.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Running
Running in PvE allows players to save considerable time through the avoidance of combat, literally by running past foes.
It can refer to two activities:
Destination running - Covering large distances and unlocking outposts.
Completion running - Completing missions and dungeons.
Both activities are usually paid for near the end of a run. This makes it less likely for either the runner or the client to scam the other.
The survivor title is occasionally at risk during runs, so make sure to ask a runner if the run is safe for survivors.
MithranArkanere
Just to clarify, when someone uses gimmick builds do a mission for you, usually faster than you'll do even with heroes, either solo of with a few of his heroes, that already has a name, and it's "RUSHING", as in Mission Rushing or Quest Rushing.
The most notable examples are the Shiro, Varesh and Great Destroyer boss fights. You don't "Run" them you "rush" them.
It's not exactly running, and it isn't "doing the mission" either, because that involves a full party doing what they are supposed to do, not one doing it and the rest waiting.
So "LFR" is still a valid abbreviation, since it stands for "Looking For Rusher".
People don't use the term as often because they are lazy and it's easier to 'stretch' the meaning of an already existing term than using another term that is not so as widespread, even if it's the proper one.
So if you want to go nitpicking around about it, just make sure they use the proper term, instead just telling them to stop using the incorrect term without giving an alternative. You can't take without giving.
Still, some missions CAN be run, since you only have to run around in them to complete them (often if you ignore the bonus), or are done easier with a runner, like Aurora Glade.
The most notable examples are the Shiro, Varesh and Great Destroyer boss fights. You don't "Run" them you "rush" them.
It's not exactly running, and it isn't "doing the mission" either, because that involves a full party doing what they are supposed to do, not one doing it and the rest waiting.
So "LFR" is still a valid abbreviation, since it stands for "Looking For Rusher".
People don't use the term as often because they are lazy and it's easier to 'stretch' the meaning of an already existing term than using another term that is not so as widespread, even if it's the proper one.
So if you want to go nitpicking around about it, just make sure they use the proper term, instead just telling them to stop using the incorrect term without giving an alternative. You can't take without giving.
Still, some missions CAN be run, since you only have to run around in them to complete them (often if you ignore the bonus), or are done easier with a runner, like Aurora Glade.
Mireles
Sorry no single person gets to define terms for the whole guild wars community... people use terms that are easily recognizable and convenient in a community, people can stick any meaning to the term running as they like.... There is no academic official "gaming term" book or dictionary that says otherwise.... nobody is going to care if you think its stupid and think it should be changed... even if you do have a point... once again who the fak cares, you can use the term rush... its just some people may not draw that meaning you want them too.
Coolio Mc
Had to just say that this the most random pointless thread, and most random thing to be annoyed about haha. It was literally hilarious and I congratulate the OP making me laugh, a good read overall. Also agree with Bristlebane 
MisterB
Spiritz
if i cover what someones already said im soz but i dont want to trawl thru the thread.
Commonly "to be run" can cover several things -
first example - " im doing a few farming runs of uw " can mean that persons doing several goes at farming in uw.
Next example - someone being run ( or as it used to be either a taxi or a ferry ) as the passenger is being run in the sense of the runner actually running from place to place - if they walked then the passenger wouldnt bother would they ?
Being rushed in a quest or mission i believe has come about from WoW players migrating to GW as most of the ones ive met always use the term rusher .
I dont see the op mentioning "Rusher" as thats been used many times for all examples.
Btw with the ops attitude i had to check the calender to see if it was april fools day - either the op wants to start a fight on guru ( calling most guru users stupid - easy way to make enemies even out of mods ) or somewhere a big troll has escaped and found guru.
Watch out folks - op may start another thread crying because of the term Tyria next as its both a continent and the gw world.
Wonder how many pages this thread will get before a mod closes it - will it get past page 3 ? tune in tomorrow for the next exiting episode of troll vs Guru
Commonly "to be run" can cover several things -
first example - " im doing a few farming runs of uw " can mean that persons doing several goes at farming in uw.
Next example - someone being run ( or as it used to be either a taxi or a ferry ) as the passenger is being run in the sense of the runner actually running from place to place - if they walked then the passenger wouldnt bother would they ?
Being rushed in a quest or mission i believe has come about from WoW players migrating to GW as most of the ones ive met always use the term rusher .
I dont see the op mentioning "Rusher" as thats been used many times for all examples.
Btw with the ops attitude i had to check the calender to see if it was april fools day - either the op wants to start a fight on guru ( calling most guru users stupid - easy way to make enemies even out of mods ) or somewhere a big troll has escaped and found guru.
Watch out folks - op may start another thread crying because of the term Tyria next as its both a continent and the gw world.
Wonder how many pages this thread will get before a mod closes it - will it get past page 3 ? tune in tomorrow for the next exiting episode of troll vs Guru
JONO51
OP your an idiot.
Running is a catch-all term for both objective completion and point-to-point travel in GW. Nobody is going to ask for "lf somebody to complete a vq for me" when they can instead substitute "lf runner x vq". Everybody knows what they mean. Quit fcking whining.
Oh, btw, the first line of my reply contains an error for you to pick at. Perhaps you should make a thread on it.
fin.
Running is a catch-all term for both objective completion and point-to-point travel in GW. Nobody is going to ask for "lf somebody to complete a vq for me" when they can instead substitute "lf runner x vq". Everybody knows what they mean. Quit fcking whining.
Oh, btw, the first line of my reply contains an error for you to pick at. Perhaps you should make a thread on it.
fin.
Skyy High
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The point is that no running is involved...yet people call it running.
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This thread is pointless, your rant is pointless. This is language: it is a tool that people use to communicate. No one is going to stop using a universally adopted and understood term just because it is not literally correct.
Scown-dog
I don't always say shit
But when I do, I never mean poo
But when I do, I never mean poo
Rushin Roulette
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It is blatantly obvious that you people are ignorant to the truth and are just here to troll someone trying to educate and help others.
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- not look stupid infront of others and
- not showing just how ignorant you are infront of others
Read this post again please which includes a quote from an dictionary;
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=18
And to stress the point.. If I say Im running a Barber shop, it does not require me to be an athlete and if the motor is running you will not see any legs under the car (unless a pretty gruesom crash has happened moments before
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Next Top Runner
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/n...t10494648.html
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html
This person is referring to a vanquisher as a runner.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10447091.html
They call themselves runners when they are just mission rushers.
I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html
This person is referring to a vanquisher as a runner.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10447091.html
They call themselves runners when they are just mission rushers.
I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.
JONO51
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/n...t10494648.html
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10477705.html This person is referring to a vanquisher as a runner. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10447091.html They call themselves runners when they are just mission rushers. I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect. |
mr_stealth
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I am sorry that everyone is in an uproar over this. I know that the term "running" used extremely loosely and describes doing missions, dungeons, etc...but I am here to educate those who care to be educated by giving a fair argument that proves this phenomenon to be incorrect.
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I run a business, but I don't run with my legs during the process of running it. I use a vehicle, that usually has its motor running.
People do test runs/dry runs with new equipment/vehicles/etc.