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cormac ap dunn

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15 Feb 2012 at 23:14 - 81

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

Yeah, those 4 men quests is annoying even in NM.

Actually quite a few people are saying about it.

Rewards like hero should be available in NM like all others, it's fair to get a rit hero after you beat NM WoC. I don't see a problem here. HM offer double rewards, it's fair, too. Just like it's not cool to spend 4 gems to get Razah.

You seem to be stuck on just one thing.... LOL

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15 Feb 2012 at 23:17 - 82

Slowpoke, did you even finish the HM chain?
Just wondering because your passion in advocating an easier way of obtaining Zei Ri almost makes me think you can't get him yourself.

cormac ap dunn

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15 Feb 2012 at 23:17 - 83

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Originally Posted by Kunder

No, grind is shit. Trying to frame it as a good thing is completely retarded.

I've played nearly all of my characters within the past month, experimenting with various builds.

classy response... I wonder why I even respond to these threads... the same few people regurgitate the same responses, spew a bit of drivel, and generally knockdown the IQ of the community a bit and then refute valid points with things like this (or the 4 gems for Razah guy above...).

Flameseeker

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15 Feb 2012 at 23:24 - 84

I wouldn't call tracking the corruption challenging. To me it's somewhere between skill and dumb luck, or use a few gimmicks that only work if you have the right profession (like the famine+visage SF that would require an A/Me).
The rest is just skill to actually kill quickly and dumb luck so none of the heroes/npc run to other mobs or a monk of another group comes healing their allies and you end up agroing the whole map. (/end frustration of being stuck here)

Back on topic, i would agree that once unlocked the Rit hero (by having the trouble of clearing WoC NM+HM in 1 char) one could just choose the missions he would like to do in other chars. If you want the rewards you could do everything all over, if not just do the last mission NM/HM and get sin/rt. (much like you don't have to beat a campaign all over again to unlock HM on a new char)
If anyone actually beat WoC once NM+HM i see how that isn't a challenge but a hassle.
Still i'll never give in to getting the new Rit hero in NM on a single playthrough, even if it means i'll never have it too.

Axel Zinfandel

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16 Feb 2012 at 00:05 - 85

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

classy response... I wonder why I even respond to these threads... the same few people regurgitate the same responses, spew a bit of drivel, and generally knockdown the IQ of the community a bit and then refute valid points with things like this (or the 4 gems for Razah guy above...).

Choice of words aside, he's right. Grind is not GW. If you want grind, there's plenty of other games for it, so you can easily go play one of those.

Not saying there isn't grind in GW, but it is generally restricted to vanity items and titles. Like Lanier, I don't like the idea of ANYTHING gameplay effecting being tied to HM. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything else so gameplay effecting that is ONLY available for beating something HM.

And before Mercs are mentioned, I don't like anything gameplay affecting being Pay-only either...

At this point in the game's life, I find myself hardly caring too much anyway, but HM was intended to be a harder mode of play for larger rewards, not an expansion off of which more things will be unlocked. That's the thing about HM. I don't NEED to play it to get everything in this game. I could farm and get anything I needed to just playing NM if I were so inclined.

TL: DR: It's not about laziness, it's about consistency.

cormac ap dunn

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16 Feb 2012 at 00:12 - 86

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Choice of words aside, he's right. Grind is not GW. If you want grind, there's plenty of other games for it, so you can easily go play one of those.

Not saying there isn't grind in GW, but it is generally restricted to vanity items and titles. Like Lanier, I don't like the idea of ANYTHING gameplay effecting being tied to HM. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything else so gameplay effecting that is ONLY available for beating something HM.

And before Mercs are mentioned, I don't like anything gameplay affecting being Pay-only either...

At this point in the game's life, I find myself hardly caring too much anyway, but HM was intended to be a harder mode of play for larger rewards, not an expansion off of which more things will be unlocked.

TL

R: It's not about laziness, it's about consistency.

on topic of consistency, HM is linked to several titles, the same grind argument is made all the time. Nothing about this is out of line with proportionately larger rewards for all current HM areas. Chests, loot, faction, experience are exponentially better in HM.

Charlie Dayman

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16 Feb 2012 at 00:19 - 87

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Originally Posted by Flameseeker

I wouldn't call tracking the corruption challenging. To me it's somewhere between skill and dumb luck, or use a few gimmicks that only work if you have the right profession (like the famine+visage SF that would require an A/Me).
The rest is just skill to actually kill quickly and dumb luck so none of the heroes/npc run to other mobs or a monk of another group comes healing their allies and you end up agroing the whole map. (/end frustration of being stuck here)

Dunno if you're still stuck there, but I found it really helped to flag your heroes in that little nook that Pan is in. This keeps them far back enough to avoid aggro and gives a small barricade against any melee that happens to wander to you. For my team (playing as an Ele), I used a:

-AoL Necro with Well of Suffering
-BiP Necro + Well of Blood
-Dervish merc to ball up everyone and hold aggro
-SoS Rit
-Monk
-Panic & Ineptitude Memsers

I set up spirits in the nook and flagged the Derv far up front to hold aggro. Melee balls around the tank, so it's pretty easy to take them down with Ineptitude. Panic stops everything too since the groups are so concentrated. If anything wanders too close to your casters, Spirits and Minions will usually take them down or at least block them. And given how many dead bodies there are, the wells really make a difference here.

It was mostly the Mesmers casting Chaos Storm that you had to look out for since the area is so small. I tried flagging heroes by the cart, but they always pissed off the groups to the right.

Gli

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16 Feb 2012 at 00:39 - 88

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

At this point in the game's life, I find myself hardly caring too much anyway, but HM was intended to be a harder mode of play for larger rewards, not an expansion off of which more things will be unlocked. That's the thing about HM. I don't NEED to play it to get everything in this game. I could farm and get anything I needed to just playing NM if I were so inclined.

This. Adding new story elements to HM versions of quests is just... nonsensical, I have no other word for it. How does this work? It ruins the integrity of the narrative. Replaying content in HM has always been just a gameplay thing, not a story thing. Our characters didn't actually go through every mission for a second time, storywise, when we replayed them in HM.

But now, we apparently do. My character went to Shing Jae to save it from invading tengu twice. I guess everyone involved drank too much from those huge rice wine bottles, because they didn't remember doing all of that before. I even had to explain the exploding bottle idea again. Cynn probably got annoyed with all the shenanigans, because she came down to talk some sense into Mhenlo during the second tengu siege.

And that Zei Ri fellow, he's a bit of a coward. Didn't show up when I stopped Reiko the first time, but after her miraculous resurrection, he joined the fight when I went to confront her again. Spineless sod only showed up because he saw I had the upper hand again.

That's how the story goes, right?

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16 Feb 2012 at 02:05 - 89

i dont think tis the fact they want the hero after nm, for free, i think its some quests that have quite a few people QQings, even myself, given the release date there arent any sufficient guides to completing it with any primary character with heroes, some people just dont want or can use other players to complete a quest chain. quests that have no where to run, no way to pull, no way to tank with you beign over run by 200+ am fah, in HM mind you are completely lucked in order to win, sure a few players got it but whats the point if only a few can get it? shouldnt it be able to gotten after like 3 tries not 4 days?

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16 Feb 2012 at 04:48 - 90

K so now I'm on toon 3 of 11 (part 3hm woc)...this crap is udder BS......there is no fricken way this is reasonable to do on mutiple toons. I'll be shocked if this doesn't get changed. To the nay-sayers (or however it's spelt) 10-1 says you have only done it once and have no intentions of doing it again. If that's not you...you might be inbalanced. I would hope/suspect to see some sort of update to address this.

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16 Feb 2012 at 05:15 - 91

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

on topic of consistency, HM is linked to several titles, the same grind argument is made all the time. Nothing about this is out of line with proportionately larger rewards for all current HM areas. Chests, loot, faction, experience are exponentially better in HM.

Titles are completely different than actual rewards since titles (with a few, minor exceptions that can also be optained entirely in NM) dont affect gameplay.

This is out of line with "proportionately larger rewards" for all current HM areas because thee other rewards you mention can still be obtained in NM, even if they'll take much longer. This hero, on the other hand, can not be obtained at all in NM.

You're getting awfully fired up about this...

What does it matter to you if Anet changes Zei Ri so that he is available in some other manner? If its just because of your "sense of accomplishment"... well thanks kind of silly to be honest.

Markaedw

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16 Feb 2012 at 05:53 - 92

How about this, complete once in NM then unlock the quests as repeatable individually in HM.

Mintha Syl

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16 Feb 2012 at 07:24 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

on topic of consistency, HM is linked to several titles, the same grind argument is made all the time. Nothing about this is out of line with proportionately larger rewards for all current HM areas. Chests, loot, faction, experience are exponentially better in HM.

Titles are not content. They're just e-peen.
And for the rest we go over the same thing again and again. More rewards in numbers is not comparable by far with exclusive rewards.

What I felt like saying, with all this talking about "lazyness"...I see it exactly the opposite, I see the way it is now is gonna reward lazyness more. How? I could see most buying runs through all WoC NM+HM (or just the latter) as they want the hero but don't want to grind through it all (especially if you have to do it with 10-20 chars). And don't tell me it's not gonna happen, someone already used "you can pay someone to run you though it" as an excuse to why it shouldn't be changed....imho THAT is true lazyness, but it will easily be the result of how things are now.

Cash

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16 Feb 2012 at 09:35 - 94

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

K so now I'm on toon 3 of 11 (part 3hm woc)...this crap is udder BS......there is no fricken way this is reasonable to do on mutiple toons. I'll be shocked if this doesn't get changed. To the nay-sayers (or however it's spelt) 10-1 says you have only done it once and have no intentions of doing it again. If that's not you...you might be inbalanced. I would hope/suspect to see some sort of update to address this.

QFT.

Im still working on my first toon (slowly but surely getting there), and I have 20. Not that I actually plan on getting them all done....ever. Realistically, most of my alts will never see Keiran, Miku, or Zei Ri. But look at the effort involved with each. Zei Ri takes TONS more time/effort to unlock.

I find it really disheartening and sad that there have been so many "stop whining" responses. Can people really not realize that we're not saying "this is too hard- change it!" but just pointing out how out of character it is for there to be a "HM only" reward? Most of us are just saying "Hey, there are many more things Id rather be doing than grinding out WoC TWICE on every toon." I think a decent compromise would be allowing us to finish NM, then repeat only The Final Confrontation on HM to unlock Zei Ri.

I have a feeling the issue will be addressed at some point and this will be changed. If not, its not the end of the world. Don't get me wrong- Im VERY thankful for the GW Beyond FREE content. I just think they had a little brainfart when they let this issue happen.

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16 Feb 2012 at 14:15 - 95

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Originally Posted by Cash

I think a decent compromise would be allowing us to finish NM, then repeat only The Final Confrontation on HM to unlock Zei Ri.

Alternatively, remove the requirement to do the whole chain in nm first, and allow players to just do the hm chain if they wish (rewarding both Miku and Zei Ri at the end).

MithranArkanere

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16 Feb 2012 at 15:30 - 96

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

K so now I'm on toon 3 of 11 (part 3hm woc)...this crap is udder BS......there is no fricken way this is reasonable to do on mutiple toons. I'll be shocked if this doesn't get changed. To the nay-sayers (or however it's spelt) 10-1 says you have only done it once and have no intentions of doing it again. If that's not you...you might be inbalanced. I would hope/suspect to see some sort of update to address this.

Then I'll do it in 10 characters just to prove it to you that it can be done.

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16 Feb 2012 at 16:31 - 97

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Then I'll do it in 10 characters just to prove it to you that it can be done.

Please re-read that.....I've never once said it couldn't be done...just that it is unreasonable (in terms of grind). By all means do the 700 quests across 10 toons....I am sure by your 4th go round (roughly 280 quests) you'll change your tune.

Ewa Kirch

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16 Feb 2012 at 17:23 - 98

I've so far completed all of WoC in NM & HM on 2 toons, with 3 more at various stages in NM, maybe if I had gotten better drops from the lockbox (see lockbox drop thread for details!) I would have more motivation to continue with my other toons, therefore I too would prefer the unlocking of HM to be account wide so at the very most I could "just" do the quests in HM only.

Mireles

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:05 - 99

/notsigned

Just because something is useful and worth having doesn't mean it should be easy to get.... Welcome to your motivation to even want do HM in this new content.... they even watered it down a little for y'all "quit on my first fail because I don't want to critically think" qq-ers... so suck it up or buy a mercenary pack... if it wasn't this way HM wouldn't get played by nearly as many people

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:19 - 100

\not signed
Miku is already a good reward.

Markaedw

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:25 - 101

Here's the problem with the "laziness" tag. No one does these anymore. I've been in Senji's Corner all day and looking for a group, and NOT ONE PERSON, is doing the same mission as me (Free Birds). I saw earlier ONE person looking to get into a much earlier quest. My alliance has no one currently doing the WoC quest chain. Maybe if they were repeatable we could get others to help out for just the reward or I could at least just play the final mission. I want to play all of WoC but apparently I'm the only one.

So all you guys that grouped up and rushed through, and now call the rest of us lazy, how about putting your money where you mouth is, and help some people working their way though.

Slowpokeking

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:27 - 102

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Originally Posted by Yol

Alternatively, remove the requirement to do the whole chain in nm first, and allow players to just do the hm chain if they wish (rewarding both Miku and Zei Ri at the end).

Actually unlock Zei Ri does not make sense in the story, because it's HM and you did nothing extra about him, he chose to betray Reiko and help you?

MisterB

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:33 - 103

I've posted the suggestion to remove the NM requirement from the HM quests to the wiki, since it doesn't make sense to be forced to do them twice. Doing all the quests twice for the two heroes doesn't make sense either, but it wasn't my idea. Feel free to post that suggestion to Feedback if you'd like anyone at ANet to see it.

Slowpokeking

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16 Feb 2012 at 20:34 - 104

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I've posted the suggestion to remove the NM requirement from the HM quests to the wiki, since it doesn't make sense to be forced to do them twice. Doing all the quests twice for the two heroes doesn't make sense either, but it wasn't my idea. Feel free to post that suggestion to Feedback if you'd like anyone at ANet to see it.

I'm sure then most of the people won't even bother to do some quests, especially those 4 men quests in part 1.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

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16 Feb 2012 at 22:29 - 105

whats that smell.... oh its old elitism, but this one stinks more than all others

what i mean is: peopel find HM easy, so others should also find it easy
noone is the same, noone is perfect

if you enjoy doing em on HM, do em on HM, asking for a better reward while at same time also asking for something harder = asking for 2 rewards = greedy

i've seen people retry HM stuff over and over, and some even could help me with it
but now i was surprised to see so many people not even thinking about HM, as its hard enough on NM (which it is)

and the "you have to do something i find easy, or else you dont get what i got" is just selfish

i'm already waiting for help with NM right now, found noone here, but i did find 1 person on GWO forums, who helped me through alot

now i'm 1 of the weaker players (prolly) as i cant move, react and think fast enough to even do NM normal GW stuff
but so many people who already hated WoC NM... and even now people who did it HM, dont think about those people who cant do it (whether being slow or lazy or anything), it makes the community worse
(which is reason i wont buy GW2.... the community, like you can see here)

/signed and /agreed, as this is already insane on NM, and HM is simply put beyond insane
i mean, when i even started HM, i saw people walking like its nothing, through HM, but those people quit the game, as they done everything, then came back for WoC NM and HM, but didnt even bother or finish HM, as it was way too much

listen people: if you think something is easy, it does NOT mean its easy to everyone, especially WoC

ps. i wont buy GW2 but i wont even bother the elona content which Anet may give us later, no thx

about the hero: sins can be good, if Anet gives them much better AI, and many people here may know by now that melee hero AI is real bad (like walking almost outside of the compass while not even target calling, as i've had that many times), and since they are bad, its a useless reward, which is why people rather see the rit one also coming on NM

not so weird after all, eh?

Kunder

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16 Feb 2012 at 23:22 - 106

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Then I'll do it in 10 characters just to prove it to you that it can be done.

I would like to see that. At my previous estimate of 25 hours each (which was quite conservative), 250 hours would be insane. Thats enough time to go from 0 to max in both Luxon and Kurzick titles and get nearly halfway in the chest hunter/lucky title. Could easily get all 3 with time to spare taking into account weekend bonuses.

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16 Feb 2012 at 23:42 - 107

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Originally Posted by Kunder

I would like to see that. At my previous estimate of 25 hours each (which was quite conservative), 250 hours would be insane. Thats enough time to go from 0 to max in both Luxon and Kurzick titles and get nearly halfway in the chest hunter/lucky title. Could easily get all 3 with time to spare taking into account weekend bonuses.

You didn't mention anything about speed.

It will take a lot of time, since I'm also getting Guardian in all those 10 characters, by doing the daily ZM with all of them.
Well, two of them already have them, and others have this and that mission already done, so it's just 6..8 daily ZMs.

But it will be done. Eventually.

Gill Halendt

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17 Feb 2012 at 08:52 - 108

The problem with removing the NM requirement for HM quests is it will be incoherent with every other HM quest in existence: all HM quests right now require the NM equivalent to be completed, see Villainy of Galrath and the Titan Quests, so they either change them all - which is fine with me - or let them all as they are.

Still, I think this is the best suggestion on this topic so far.

aspi

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17 Feb 2012 at 10:44 - 109

Bad idea. WOC might be boring I doubt it will be that hard.

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17 Feb 2012 at 11:47 - 110

Darn, this topic is still alive?
Please Anet ignore these crybabies.
If you cannot do WoC on NM thats not because I am an elitist, its because you are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible.

Every standard meta build rolls WoC in NM.
Even terrible builds with skills I would never touch roll WoC NM.
Anet already catered to all of your crying by nerfing Tracking The Corruption in HM ( I will be fair however, this one was indeed challenging and I understand if people had trouble with this one.

Guild Wars is always marketed as a tactical game, where you had to think about what skills to bring, meaning that it was never meant to c-space.
WoC is endgame content, meant to be played after all the other NM and HM challenges.
Its easy to cry for nerfs/calling others elite because you are to lazy to learn new builds or tactics.

With the nerf to Tracking, nothing stands in your way to get Zei Ri, all other storyline WoC quests are doable as long as you don't leeroy in and expect things to drop just like that ( and to be honest, even that works most of the time on NM and HM. Hell, I even saw someone getting through NM and a large portion of HM using a build with 2 warrior heroes with rebirth and all heroes having 1-2 superior runes).

Stop calling the people who want to keep the challenge elite.
Instead of asking for a nerf so you can mindlessly faceroll it, become better.
If I can do it, any of you can do it in both NM and HM since I am terrible in the first place.

Skinless242

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17 Feb 2012 at 15:46 - 111

I am by no means an "elite" player and finished off hm back on Monday. I am just a casual player that played a couple hours a day from Sat.-Mon. I feel Zei Ri joining my team for completing hm was very acceptable. The only problem area I had was "There Goes the Neighborhood" after a few tries I looked at the wiki for advice and got through it. Yes quite a few parts were difficult but got them done none the less.

I really didn't understand why "Tracking The Corruption" was "re-balanced" since I had more difficulty in other areas. I don't use mercs just heroes with builds I found at pvx.

It seems to me that people who are complaining want to be able steam-roll through all HM content with the greatest of ease. To me that defeats the purpose of HM. Really Zei Ri is not needed in your party to complete any other content in any campaign of GW (were you not able to complete anything before WoC?)

If Zei Ri was to become the reward for nm then HM would be near pointless to even do. As of now I have no plans to take my other characters through WoC, although if Anet were to make HM available to all characters on the account after one character completes NM I would probably go ahead and take a couple of other characters through (kinda like how the campaigns are set up to where you can go into hard mode as long as you're lvl 20 and one of your other characters has completed the campaign).

So to sum it up I feel Zei Rei should remain as a HM reward.

Essence Snow

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17 Feb 2012 at 15:57 - 112

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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic

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Originally Posted by Skinless242

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Ya'll don't read do you? If you had read, you would have noticed that it's not about the difficulty! It's about the amount of effort/time it takes to get through 70 quests for 2 heros. In the same amount of time one can gain every other hero in the game and then some. Again in case you didn't read...it's not about the difficulty, merely the length.

Skinless242

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:12 - 113

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

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since you don't read:

As I mentioned in my post I played about 2 hours a day for 3 days that's 6 hours which imo isn't much time for a reward that is acquired through a HM chain of quests. That is also why I made the steam-rolling comment because it seems (I may be wrong) that ppl such as yourself want to just fly through the content for the end reward w/o earning it. Most heroes are just handed to you because they are needed for various quests/missions. In the case of the others It helps with getting some in other classes. With the amount of heroes handed to you is it really detrimental to the game if a couple aren't freely handed out or after about 5 minutes of nm questing.

Also in the case of raza you have 17 missions and roughly 40 quests (for Elonian characters) wouldn't that count as quite a bit of time?

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I notice some people saying it takes too much time.... 6 months to complete the first 2 parts in NM and HM, where were you for that 6 months? The reality of the situation is this: 7 quests in NM and 7 in HM for a whopping total of *gasp* 14 Quests!!!! oh noes its the end of the world... Guess what, deciding at the last moment to do things is YOUR OWN FAULT. If you decided to wait to see if the rewards were worth while, I guess you lost out, because NOW instead of 14 quests you have 70, seems a bit silly to blame the devs for last minute rushing doesn't it?

would also like to add that this guy is right! and I could of kicked myself for not doing the HM parts that were already out prior to the third/final release of WoC (due to what I felt at the time was not worth the rewards) and I still stand by my opinion that Zei Ri should be for those who spent the time in HM (in my case 6 hours which still seems fair).

Wielder Of Magic

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:19 - 114

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Ya'll don't read do you? If you had read, you would have noticed that it's not about the difficulty! It's about the amount of effort/time it takes to get through 70 quests for 2 heros. In the same amount of time one can gain every other hero in the game and then some. Again in case you didn't read...it's not about the difficulty, merely the length.

You don't need Zei Ri.
Yes, it takes a lot of effort and time to get him.
So a Rit hero is an appropriate reward for the people who invest their time into getting him.
Think its too much work?
Then you don't want him that bad.
Should we make Razah more easy to get as well?
You need to do all of Nightfall to get him, is that too much for you as well?
More effort yields better rewards, a basic thing in almost all games.
Sure its long, but you will have accomplished something in the end.
Following your reasoning we should make GWAMM easier to get because it takes "so much time to obtain".

cormac ap dunn

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:21 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Ya'll don't read do you? If you had read, you would have noticed that it's not about the difficulty! It's about the amount of effort/time it takes to get through 70 quests for 2 heros. In the same amount of time one can gain every other hero in the game and then some. Again in case you didn't read...it's not about the difficulty, merely the length.

I notice some people saying it takes too much time.... 6 months to complete the first 2 parts in NM and HM, where were you for that 6 months? The reality of the situation is this: 7 quests in NM and 7 in HM for a whopping total of *gasp* 14 Quests!!!! oh noes its the end of the world... Guess what, deciding at the last moment to do things is YOUR OWN FAULT. If you decided to wait to see if the rewards were worth while, I guess you lost out, because NOW instead of 14 quests you have 70, seems a bit silly to blame the devs for last minute rushing doesn't it?

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:35 - 116

Not everyone is going to have done everything up to start of part 3 on every toon they have. Again..I really hate to keep repeating this...but if it were a one time deal..then yeah it's fine as is....but since this is a game where we have more than 1 character....it really does start taking way too long. I have already gotten Zei Ri on 3 toons and I am working on my 4th.....have ya'll gotten it on more than 1? If you have done multiple toons then you start to realise how long it really becomes.

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:43 - 117

As a matter of fact, I also have him on 3 Toons and working on my 4th.
After the 4th, 3 characters await.
Meaning I will do WoC 7x in total ( total being both NM and HM).
I am not complaining, because if you want something nice, you will have to work for it.

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17 Feb 2012 at 16:46 - 118

Well to you i don't have much I can say......you're an oddity much like me, just with different view on this...most others are only focusing on 1 time through.

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17 Feb 2012 at 17:44 - 119

/unsigned
WoC HM is real challenge.
And it should be.
In my opinion even making these quests easier (that's what ArenaNet did in last update) is bad.
I've completed WoC NM+HM at one time (mission in NM, then same mission in HM) in a week or so and I didn't play all day to do it.
And if there wouldn't be such good reward for HM (like rit hero) it would be easier to do WoC NM on 3 characters to get same rewards as for doing it NM+HM on one character.

I'm really sorry if I made any language mistakes, my englisch isn't best.

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17 Feb 2012 at 18:14 - 120

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Originally Posted by artemis-fowl

/unsigned
WoC HM is real challenge.
And it should be.
In my opinion even making these quests easier (that's what ArenaNet did in last update) is bad.
I've completed WoC NM+HM at one time (mission in NM, then same mission in HM) in a week or so and I didn't play all day to do it.
And if there wouldn't be such good reward for HM (like rit hero) it would be easier to do WoC NM on 3 characters to get same rewards as for doing it NM+HM on one character.

I'm really sorry if I made any language mistakes, my englisch isn't best.

Make Zei Ri available is not going to affect the challenge.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I notice some people saying it takes too much time.... 6 months to complete the first 2 parts in NM and HM, where were you for that 6 months? The reality of the situation is this: 7 quests in NM and 7 in HM for a whopping total of *gasp* 14 Quests!!!! oh noes its the end of the world... Guess what, deciding at the last moment to do things is YOUR OWN FAULT. If you decided to wait to see if the rewards were worth while, I guess you lost out, because NOW instead of 14 quests you have 70, seems a bit silly to blame the devs for last minute rushing doesn't it?

It still took the same time, just you finish part 1 and 2 early.