7H for a melee player

3 Mesmers? how so?

The only way I see (without resorting to mercs) is to getting Zei Ri and turning Razah into a Mez. You just Explained it, no mercs needed.

Run esurge instead of shared burden. Enfeebling Blood over sols on n/rt, you can drop res on the healer to keep sols. Healer should have fomf in any case. You can possibly use castigation signet or union instead of Smite Condition, I don't find low spec smite condition worthwhile when MBaS is plenty of condition removal. Running MM instead of RoJ kills a lot of your offensive and you lose out on 16 spec SoH. Working in never surrender would be great when you only have two copies of PwK. Alright, so I guess I can drop one res. But will two resses be enough?

It's true, not having RoJ does kill a lot of my offensive, but I thought MoP might take care of that.
I guess I could also replace Smite Condition with armor of unfeeling.
I can put never surrender on my shared burden mesmer (I'll replace SB with energy surge), but what skill should I take off in it's place?

Alright, so I guess I can drop one res. But will two resses be enough?

It's true, not having RoJ does kill a lot of my offensive, but I thought MoP might take care of that. It is hard to use MoP with heroes unless you intend to disable and micro it. But if you still think it is worthwhile to bring and micro MoP, then using bone fiends make more sense than bringing melee minions as melee minions tend to spread out across different targets. Use ctrl-space to get your MM and fiends to target the same target.

It is hard to use MoP with heroes unless you intend to disable and micro it. But if you still think it is worthwhile to bring and micro MoP, then using bone fiends make more sense than bringing melee minions as melee minions tend to spread out across different targets. Use ctrl-space to get your MM and fiends to target the same target. Yeah, I'm microing MoP. I really got melee minions more to defend my heroes, because apparently, having just shelter isn't enough to prevent them from getting killed in WoC.

Yeah, I'm microing MoP. I really got melee minions more to defend my heroes, because apparently, having just shelter isn't enough to prevent them from getting killed in WoC. With Shelter+Displacement, it should be enough to deal with most physical attacks. If that is not enough, you can also replace your MM with a SoGM rit with spirit wall and shadowsong. You can probably adapt a N/Rt into that role if you don't have mercs.

As a physical character your biggest threat comes from casters and their AoE attacks. If that is the case, then it is probably more effective to bring 3 dom mesmers with CoF instead instead of Ineptitude.

Alright, so I guess I can drop one res. But will two resses be enough?

It's true, not having RoJ does kill a lot of my offensive, but I thought MoP might take care of that.
I guess I could also replace Smite Condition with armor of unfeeling.
I can put never surrender on my shared burden mesmer (I'll replace SB with energy surge), but what skill should I take off in it's place? Probably Signet of Clumsiness or Unnatural Signet. Easy breakpoint at 6 but since you're using hybrid, you won't hit the 10 command breakpoint.

UA is only good if you're planning on dying. C'mon how many times are people going to repeat this false bullshit statement?

If you have so much defence nobody ever dies, you have too much in the first place. Now and then, players or heroes die. You have bad luck, you get spiked, ST prot fails at shelter or minions get stolen.

Shit happens. And when it does, having UA is not an all bad idea. Not to mention that in a team with a single melee player you should have 1 smiter anyhow for the melee damage buffs along with the damage you get from usual smiting skills such as smite hex / condition and reversal of damage. And a UA + Smite adds almost the same amount of damage as a RoJ smite does unless you're balling up every single group.

C'mon how many times are people going to repeat this false bullshit statement? The best part about UA is the instant 100% rez. If that description wasn't in there, I highly doubt anyone would use that skill. Unless someone is dying, you are only making use of less than 50% of that skill's potential. In fact, if no one dies, you could also say that you are just running a gimped skill on the bar. That's why we say that the quality of that skill increases as the % chance of people dying in your party increases.

The best part about UA is the instant 100% rez. If that description wasn't in there, I highly doubt anyone would use that skill. Unless someone is dying, you are only making use of less than 50% of that skill's potential. In fact, if no one dies, you could also say that you are just running a gimped skill on the bar. That's why we say that the quality of that skill increases as the % chance of people dying in your party increases. WTF are you on about? "If that description wasn't in there nobody would use the skill?" Are you saying "If UA wasn't a rez nobody would use it!"?

Cause if you are, that's the biggest bullshit argument I've heard in weeks. And I heard some pretty bad ones last Monday. Of course nobody would use UA if it wasn't a rez, they'd use HB or WoH instead if they needed heals and RoJ if they needed damage and there wouldnt be any viable ressurection elites. Damn right they wouldn't use it.

But it IS a rezz, so lets stick with reality and not try to twist things around to make a point. Fact is a smiter with UA can retain a 85-90% effectiveness compared to a smiter with RoJ or Signet of Judgement and there's no other viable elites. Making it a very good support character and damage dealer just because of that alone.

The same goes for a healer with UA if you choose to use that, it delivers powerful healing without the use of an elite and there's not a lot of other viable skills to mix in there.

And yeah, the big selling point of UA is that you ressurect at 100%. Not 100% health though, that's not really a big deal. But 100% energy is, as especially heroes tend to give a very poor performance if ressurected with too little energy. It causes them to missuse a lot of skills and remain highly inefficient for the rest of the battle.

And in the end, if you have so much healing and prot nobody ever dies. You have waaaay too much.

When judging UA, you have to judge what you gain up against what you loose out on when dropping another elite. And very often you will experience that the loss is not a very big deal.