The Zaishen chest rewards are due for a change-up.
Add the following minipet possibilities to the rewards...
-Longhair Yeti
-Naga Raincaller
-Oni
-Island Guardian
-Mad King's Guard
-Panda
-Shiro'ken Assassin
-Zhed Shadowhoof
-Kanaxai
-Vizu
Reason
To increase interest in the zaishen chest
To increase access to hard to obtain minipets
Add rare minipets to Zaishen Chest drops
melissa b
Coast
thats alright with me, as long as their dropchance is matching their rarity.
But on the other hand, I think kanaxai/oni/island guardians should been a drop from endchests in the deep/urgozz
/signed
But on the other hand, I think kanaxai/oni/island guardians should been a drop from endchests in the deep/urgozz
/signed
AndrewSX
/signed, as long as chances stay low, and /signed coast's idea too (a more aimed rewamp of depp/urgoz wouldn't be bad in general way).
Maybe, just make them distinguishable from the extra-rare-money worthy ones around atm. Name, color, size, whatever.
Maybe, just make them distinguishable from the extra-rare-money worthy ones around atm. Name, color, size, whatever.
Missing HB
/signed for the same reasons mentionned above..
However, an other good move would be to remove flasks ans creme brulee from zaishen chest in my opinion. They're too frequent, worthless, and there are already tons of items in zaishen chest that aren't worth a lot( 99.9% of golds, normal tomes, tonics, etc...)
However, an other good move would be to remove flasks ans creme brulee from zaishen chest in my opinion. They're too frequent, worthless, and there are already tons of items in zaishen chest that aren't worth a lot( 99.9% of golds, normal tomes, tonics, etc...)
Sagittario
/signed
Just imagine what would happen to those who owe Panda =P
Just imagine what would happen to those who owe Panda =P
ACWhammy
/signed to make better drops from zchest
/unsigned for the drops you proposed
and here's why:
Most of those minis were given out as rewards for skills and accomplishments, they werent just given out by random chance....so here is what i say
/signed to re-release those minis, in the same way they were originally released: through skills and accomplishments.
/unsigned for the drops you proposed
and here's why:
Most of those minis were given out as rewards for skills and accomplishments, they werent just given out by random chance....so here is what i say
/signed to re-release those minis, in the same way they were originally released: through skills and accomplishments.
drkn
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| Most of those minis were given out as rewards for skills and accomplishments, they werent just given out by random chance.... |
Most of them were available via luck-based or other promotional means (hundreds of them given away in a 'gold minipet contest'... soz, not a skill-based thing, nor an accomplishment). Some, like pandas or Kanaxais, were mostly or solely given out to winners of something substantial, but the most of them - not really.
Mintha Syl
/signed
I'm always for making stuff less rare, and in this case it would just go from almost impossble to obtain to rare so...
/signed x2 coasts's suggestion
the deep and urgoz need all the help they can get in getting some life
I'm always for making stuff less rare, and in this case it would just go from almost impossble to obtain to rare so...
/signed x2 coasts's suggestion
the deep and urgoz need all the help they can get in getting some life
lursey
/unsigned.. I don't think giving out rare mini will greatly increase population to these area if they become too commoned, just like the mini polar bear, or mallyx, and besides the rare ones are not particularly "pretty", eg a Mandragor Imp is 100% better looking than a kanaxai.
further if they are opened, it will decrease and wipe the value off the past successful landmark guildwars tournament history and events, which is unwise.
rather I think the mini and tonics markets are quite saturated, other kinds of reward maybe considered, such as a neon type armour pieces, costume/facial remake token, or etc.
further if they are opened, it will decrease and wipe the value off the past successful landmark guildwars tournament history and events, which is unwise.
rather I think the mini and tonics markets are quite saturated, other kinds of reward maybe considered, such as a neon type armour pieces, costume/facial remake token, or etc.
MithranArkanere
I won't mind if they do.
It's hard to know how many of them are left. Many of the originals were lost due to bans, or will never be seen for inactivity of their accounts, or were dedicated, or even discarded after being dedicated, or it's impossible to know how many of them are left because they slipped without being banned when they were duped, and I strongly believe there should be everlasting sources of items that can disappear for good.
Of course, they should be extremely hard to get, with a drop rate way lower than the Polar Bear, but still possible, to keep their numbers low, but never getting to 0.
It would be better if they were monthly too, so you can only have a chance for one of them once a moth, keeping them even rarer.
Throw in there things like the ceratodon, the destroyer, the giant and the asura, and put the Kanaxai one in the Deep chest and the Isle Guardian in the Urgo chest, to make it 12, and done.
It's hard to know how many of them are left. Many of the originals were lost due to bans, or will never be seen for inactivity of their accounts, or were dedicated, or even discarded after being dedicated, or it's impossible to know how many of them are left because they slipped without being banned when they were duped, and I strongly believe there should be everlasting sources of items that can disappear for good.
Of course, they should be extremely hard to get, with a drop rate way lower than the Polar Bear, but still possible, to keep their numbers low, but never getting to 0.
It would be better if they were monthly too, so you can only have a chance for one of them once a moth, keeping them even rarer.
Throw in there things like the ceratodon, the destroyer, the giant and the asura, and put the Kanaxai one in the Deep chest and the Isle Guardian in the Urgo chest, to make it 12, and done.
lursey
with so many ecto, armbrace, zkey created everyday if that is the issue.
I would rather think innovating another ecto/armbrace/zkey sink is better than milking from the existing sink and crashing the existing market.
I would rather think innovating another ecto/armbrace/zkey sink is better than milking from the existing sink and crashing the existing market.
HanSolo
/unsigned for those drops
/signed for putting new items in the chest though.
/signed for putting new items in the chest though.
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
/signed for those minis
/signed for factions oines to be from urgoz/deep
my reasons:
- alot of people didnt have a chance to get them, and not talking about newer people
- always better to make more people happy
- the game barely lives, i bet most who actually "won" those, left GW by now, or are just preparing for GW2, and then will leave, most likely
- since the game is way less active (probably mostly inactive soon), making people happy here, will give em more "faith" in anet to get more stuff from the store in GW and get GW2
- z chest is rusty now, some people get pain in their back by now
* what i mean with "faith" is that people who play, would be happy to get some more stuff, and will help the games little by little, by making people buy more from stores (GW2 store too) and GW2 itself, giving Anet more money, making it easier to let em give/make even more *
/signed for factions oines to be from urgoz/deep
my reasons:
- alot of people didnt have a chance to get them, and not talking about newer people
- always better to make more people happy
- the game barely lives, i bet most who actually "won" those, left GW by now, or are just preparing for GW2, and then will leave, most likely
- since the game is way less active (probably mostly inactive soon), making people happy here, will give em more "faith" in anet to get more stuff from the store in GW and get GW2
- z chest is rusty now, some people get pain in their back by now
* what i mean with "faith" is that people who play, would be happy to get some more stuff, and will help the games little by little, by making people buy more from stores (GW2 store too) and GW2 itself, giving Anet more money, making it easier to let em give/make even more *
Surge goes pre
How about /signed for making a mini uprooted malice from Urgoz chest (A smaller version of the mini IG) and mini aspect of kanaxai from the Deep chest (A smaller Kanaxai).
I would /sign the OP's Zchest idea if the drop rates were built according to rarity that they are right now in game.
I would /sign the OP's Zchest idea if the drop rates were built according to rarity that they are right now in game.
Gabs88
Couldn't agree more, many of the rare pets are wanted because of their skins and not just rariety. The rariety is completely ridicilous.
Only problem I could see is zkeys spiking up even more in price.
Only problem I could see is zkeys spiking up even more in price.
Shayne Hawke
I wouldn't really mind finding a way for those minipets which have only (or at least primarily) been given out at random to instead be given out for some better tangible reason, but I don't know that dropping them from the Z-Chest is really the way to go. I certainly wouldn't approve of that treatment for those minipets which have come as prizes for specific competitions, such as the Mad King's Guard.
That aside, all of those minipets listed above seem to carry a lot of value due to their rarity. If they become re-released and their value crashes, I am less concerned with the lost assets of those who currently hold those minipets and more concerned with what would even remain as an item that holds superior value that players with lots of money could tunnel their assets into, aside from buying up stacks upon stacks of ectos or armbraces.
That aside, all of those minipets listed above seem to carry a lot of value due to their rarity. If they become re-released and their value crashes, I am less concerned with the lost assets of those who currently hold those minipets and more concerned with what would even remain as an item that holds superior value that players with lots of money could tunnel their assets into, aside from buying up stacks upon stacks of ectos or armbraces.
Andydontsurf
Can they just make it so it stops giving me crap every time I open the chest?
Cash
Im not sure that putting them all in the zchest would be the best idea, but i 100% support the addition of more of these minis into the game. I probably wouldnt support it if the same number that were given out were still floating around, but considering the lions share of all these minis are gone for good, more collectors deserve a chance at them.
I dont agree with making them any different from the older ones tho. Youd just see "WTS kanaxai v2 xxxxxxx ecto" and "WTS ORIGINAL OLD SCHOOL kanaxai xxxxxxx(times infitiny) ecto".....so theyd still be "different" minis.
I dont agree with making them any different from the older ones tho. Youd just see "WTS kanaxai v2 xxxxxxx ecto" and "WTS ORIGINAL OLD SCHOOL kanaxai xxxxxxx(times infitiny) ecto".....so theyd still be "different" minis.
Kiki Go Boom
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I wouldn't really mind finding a way for those minipets which have only (or at least primarily) been given out at random to instead be given out for some better tangible reason, but I don't know that dropping them from the Z-Chest is really the way to go. I certainly wouldn't approve of that treatment for those minipets which have come as prizes for specific competitions, such as the Mad King's Guard.
That aside, all of those minipets listed above seem to carry a lot of value due to their rarity. If they become re-released and their value crashes, I am less concerned with the lost assets of those who currently hold those minipets and more concerned with what would even remain as an item that holds superior value that players with lots of money could tunnel their assets into, aside from buying up stacks upon stacks of ectos or armbraces. |
Showtime
/not signed
if i owned one of those rare mini's i'd be pissed to see the value drop every day if not every few hours.
make new ultra rare minis and put in all high end chests.
/signed
if i owned one of those rare mini's i'd be pissed to see the value drop every day if not every few hours.
make new ultra rare minis and put in all high end chests.
/signed
lursey
1) if they are already gone for good, why do you want to put them back in, when there are whole lots of other better "ultra-rare" options than mini or tonics can be put in the chest?
2) if the minis are still around, meaning, the market is still here, and if their market crash, I can't imagine the flood of ecto/armbace/zkey into market requiring more gold sink, and because they don't have an ultra rare goal for them to attain, ultimately leading to lessor people to play and farm those areas, due to lack of rare goal and purpose, and further harming the population.
3) there are already many complementary minis to those rare, releasing them besides from satisfying the jealousy, it won't do any good to the population
4) will you ask then later how about those everlasting henchman tonics once these minis are released and satisfied some jealousy, which actually are rarer than those minis?
5) and then later ask for divine aura, collection /newemote to be released?
2) if the minis are still around, meaning, the market is still here, and if their market crash, I can't imagine the flood of ecto/armbace/zkey into market requiring more gold sink, and because they don't have an ultra rare goal for them to attain, ultimately leading to lessor people to play and farm those areas, due to lack of rare goal and purpose, and further harming the population.
3) there are already many complementary minis to those rare, releasing them besides from satisfying the jealousy, it won't do any good to the population
4) will you ask then later how about those everlasting henchman tonics once these minis are released and satisfied some jealousy, which actually are rarer than those minis?
5) and then later ask for divine aura, collection /newemote to be released?
cosyfiep
/signed....anyway to get a mini panda or island guardian other than having lived in asia or being uber uber rich would be a nice change of pace.
Essence Snow
/semi signed
for those minis that there is simply no other way to obtain other than to buy...yes ofc
for those like mkg, polar, ghostly, etc....no
as long as everyone has a chance...no matter how slim, to get every mini...thats good stuff.
having 0 chance outside of buying...is bad....rather have them removed from the game
for those minis that there is simply no other way to obtain other than to buy...yes ofc
for those like mkg, polar, ghostly, etc....no
as long as everyone has a chance...no matter how slim, to get every mini...thats good stuff.
having 0 chance outside of buying...is bad....rather have them removed from the game
drkn
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lursey
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Adding rare minis to ZChest would be a new zkey sink, making more people use up their keys rather than selling them or using as a currency for convenience. As it is right now, only people who need r3 for HoM and those who intend to max out the title use the keys, plus maybe some several avid gamblers. If you could get Vizu and Zhed from ZChest, which were randomly given away rather than won in a valid contest or tournament, even your regular JQers would use their keys more often than sell them.
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say if the numbers of vizu or zhed become like the Macabre Tonic, will it hugely improve players to use zkey more?
I highly doubt it, since rarity become a lessor issue, the facial value of the mini appearance + the complementary will determine the demand, and the use of zkey.
especially if there are only like 10 players like the look of vizu, zhed or etc., then the sink will not be as good as creating a new type of rare market to sink the money.
drkn
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| say if the numbers of vizu or zhed become like the Macabre Tonic, will it hugely improve players to use zkey more? |
Those minipets will still be extra rare for a month or even two once introduced, just more available and not THAT expensive. After two-three months, when there are 50 unded Vizus rather than 3 in the game, they still will be expensive and rare. This will make unded Vizus get more available to most of the remaining players, but there's nothing wrong about that.
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tonini
/notsigned
why now its not like doing this will bring ppl into gw or help ppl with miniatures in hom.. after the hom points system came out no1 'needed' super rare mini's for hom just one of those things people who play a long time can afford and should be proud
why now its not like doing this will bring ppl into gw or help ppl with miniatures in hom.. after the hom points system came out no1 'needed' super rare mini's for hom just one of those things people who play a long time can afford and should be proud
drkn
Or those who hacked others and went away with it. Or those who bought ectos for real money, using RMT services. Or those who scammed people. Or those who powertraded for six months and got really lucky on the way, but never really left Kamadan. Or those who mindlessly farmed DoA/UW for thousands of hours.
None of the above appeals to me as an explanation why only a small group of people should enjoy something in the game, unless they won it somehow.
None of the above appeals to me as an explanation why only a small group of people should enjoy something in the game, unless they won it somehow.
Kook~NBK~
/Not signed.
There's plenty of interest in the Zaishen Chest as it is. Even in the slowest times you can find several people in GtoB AD1 looking to buy Z-Keys. (Gotta get those 3 PvP points in the HoM, after all!)
There's nothing wrong with the limitations on the numbers of extremely rare minis. However, I do like the idea of adding the respective minis to The Deep and Urzog's. Those places could use a boost in interest!
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Originally Posted by melissa b
To increase interest in the zaishen chest
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lursey
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Or those who hacked others and went away with it. Or those who bought ectos for real money, using RMT services. Or those who scammed people. Or those who powertraded for six months and got really lucky on the way, but never really left Kamadan. Or those who mindlessly farmed DoA/UW for thousands of hours.
None of the above appeals to me as an explanation why only a small group of people should enjoy something in the game, unless they won it somehow. |
and I won't understand why people will like vizu more than Prince Rurik, if their rarity become not an issue, vice versa, if anet creates a new mini prince Rurik not holding a fds, and make the rarity similar to mini polar bear, will it help better?
I think what more important is to create purpose which could attract new market, hence increase population, than moving the existing population around and spreading them even more when the population is low.
so I said before the mini and tonics market are saturated, meaning any major movement to them won't help any situation or even make it worse, because they are not a necessity, but create something like a neon armour token, a whole new high demand, limited supply market to compete with the existing rare market may help better.
Andemius
/signed, but keep the droprates loooow
drkn
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But i see it the other way - why do people prefer a rare pet, that was given out to lucky recipients, rather than a better looking one?
I'd even introduce max q7/q8 weapons in ZChest, with really low drop chance, including matching inherents. Because - why not?
Unless something is a reward for something players did, like it is with MKG, i see no point why it shouldn't be obtainable via playing rather than trading.
melissa b
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/semi signed
for those minis that there is simply no other way to obtain other than to buy...yes ofc for those like mkg, polar, ghostly, etc....no as long as everyone has a chance...no matter how slim, to get every mini...thats good stuff. having 0 chance outside of buying...is bad....rather have them removed from the game |
lursey
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Originally Posted by drkn
The PvP henchmen tonics were a reward in a competition.
Yes, but it's not the goal, only a side-effect of what i perceive as positive. That's because... "I won't understand why people will like vizu more than Prince Rurik, if their rarity become not an issue, vice versa, if anet creates a new mini prince Rurik not holding a fds, and make the rarity similar to mini polar bear, will it help better?" But i see it the other way - why do people prefer a rare pet, that was given out to lucky recipients, rather than a better looking one? I'd even introduce max q7/q8 weapons in ZChest, with really low drop chance, including matching inherents. Because - why not? Unless something is a reward for something players did, like it is with MKG, i see no point why it shouldn't be obtainable via playing rather than trading. |
Japan region
Netcafe promotion (20 were given through lucky draw)
Taiwan region
GW official blog lucky draw (9 prizes)
Europe
10 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest.
Through the Massive Mini Pet Giveaway
Contest
Halloween Art Contest 2007 (10 prizes)
it was a promotion towards those region, and even that, it has already been compensated to other regions with contest.
contests/competition/lucky draw are highly determined by luck, of that limited event, I don't see there is any different.
it is hard to believe that someone would like to change the value of past events to polish the present, just like when there was actually a massacre, the historian would paint it as a praise, and changing the past into "looking good".
and it is easy to understand that everyone wants divine aura, but they are something that was limited in the past, you cannot suddenly release something that was limited, if not, then what did it mean by limited?
and to your question because look, rarity, and value of limitation are not mutually exclusive in terms of demand, ie. decreasing in rarity, doesn't mean it will attract a higher demand, so adjusting the rarity and limitation is unwise.
Dewshine Wildclaw
@ Lursey Neon armor would be absolutely terrible and hurtful to the beautiful aesthetics of the game and peoples eyes, so your suggestion is worse than the OP.
I am not really against the OP, maybe with the exception of the contest given ones. But not being able to get a mini just because of where you are from in the world is terribly unfair imo.
I am not really against the OP, maybe with the exception of the contest given ones. But not being able to get a mini just because of where you are from in the world is terribly unfair imo.
Saint Scarlet
/signed
Personally i think everyone should have a chance to get some of the best looking minipets, rather than just those with too much RL money or no life.
Or they could run another giveaway competition with all the mini's, something like get 1 random rare mini for answering this question correctly - whats Master of Whispers real name?
That'd make it fair for all.
Personally i think everyone should have a chance to get some of the best looking minipets, rather than just those with too much RL money or no life.
Or they could run another giveaway competition with all the mini's, something like get 1 random rare mini for answering this question correctly - whats Master of Whispers real name?
That'd make it fair for all.
Othienka
/signed
The Zaishen chest should have more drops than what it now has.
The Zaishen chest should have more drops than what it now has.
Swingline
They should reintroduce minipets but not with the z-chest.
Missing HB
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The PvP henchmen tonics were a reward in a competition.
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- zaishen chest has tonics and not minis
- the rate drop is really low anyway and 3/4 items you get are cremes or flasks
- that contest was a joke and didn't reward creativity like it was said
- those tonics are original since they represent non-common characters
- no HoM, so there won't be a big consequence on prices
But i still believe that they should remove cremes/flasks, which are useless and boring drops( there are already enough worthless golds and tonics), and add everysingle item in game inside...