@Kook: This has nothing to do with SS or LB.
@Songbringer: Read the title. This is only for old prophecies characters. Other non-prophecies characters have their own advantages in their own campaign that the other characters are not entitled to.
Please allow old Prophecies Characters to go back and earn their LDoA title
Daesu
Andemius
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Originally Posted by Coast
make it account wide and then we won't have any shitters like in this thread type: "/not signed" anymore k thx bye
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fires element
i know it wasn't directed at me but i'm curious as to what non-prophecies characters have in their own campaigns that other characters aren't entitled to? to my knowledge the only title that cannot be gotten by a character from any campaign is the LDoA title. i realize that if you don't have say factions you can't get kurzick or luxon but that is kind of irrelevant since if you don't have all the campaigns plus expansion it will really difficult to get GWAMM anyway
yitjuan
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Originally Posted by Eragon Selene
This may be true but in years past LDOA was 10x harder to obtain then it is today.
The titles is actualy tranished just like Legndary Survivor..........its doesnt even impress me anymore. Anet ruind those two titles. |
Mintha Syl
/notsigned for time machine
/not signed more than else for account wide (it really means something background-wise for the char I have it with, sure I don't want it shared with all my other chars, some of wich never seen pre at all)
/signed however for not making it count towards gwamm. After all is a title with its own pecularity, it would be nice having it by itself and not "one more point for gwamm"...and so all the fairness arguement would be over too
/not signed more than else for account wide (it really means something background-wise for the char I have it with, sure I don't want it shared with all my other chars, some of wich never seen pre at all)
/signed however for not making it count towards gwamm. After all is a title with its own pecularity, it would be nice having it by itself and not "one more point for gwamm"...and so all the fairness arguement would be over too
Lavender Ice
I'm stuck at 27 titles, getting LDoA would be nice. Not everyone can just go ahead and buy sweet tooth/ drunkard/ party animal titles.
They should also make Survivor the way it was before (you die, you DIE, not hard getting 1,337,500xp through normal play). The new survivor title is absurd.
/signed for accountwide LDoA
They should also make Survivor the way it was before (you die, you DIE, not hard getting 1,337,500xp through normal play). The new survivor title is absurd.
/signed for accountwide LDoA
yitjuan
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They should also make Survivor the way it was before (you die, you DIE, not hard getting 1,337,500xp through normal play). The new survivor title is absurd.
/signed for accountwide LDoA |
akelarumi
Just an idea. but like being said, maybe it's an idea to don't let this title (nor any other pre-searing title count for GWAMM but make a different title track for pre all together. So far there are more titles in pre then only ldoa.
So why not make a Champion of the green hills-title?
1 title in pre: monkey of the green hills (reference to gate monkey)
2 title in pre: Traveler of the green hills
3 titles in pre: Guardian of the green hills
4 titles in pre: Protector of the green hills
5: titles in pre: Champion of the green hills.
Eligable titles would be be, LdoA, Survivor, Drunken, sweet tooth, party animal.
A reward could be that you can obtain a elite armor skin in pre (only the skin, the stats should be the same as collectors armor)
So why not make a Champion of the green hills-title?
1 title in pre: monkey of the green hills (reference to gate monkey)
2 title in pre: Traveler of the green hills
3 titles in pre: Guardian of the green hills
4 titles in pre: Protector of the green hills
5: titles in pre: Champion of the green hills.
Eligable titles would be be, LdoA, Survivor, Drunken, sweet tooth, party animal.
A reward could be that you can obtain a elite armor skin in pre (only the skin, the stats should be the same as collectors armor)
Mintha Syl
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Just an idea. but like being said, maybe it's an idea to don't let this title (nor any other pre-searing title count for GWAMM but make a different title track for pre all together. So far there are more titles in pre then only ldoa.
So why not make a Champion of the green hills-title? 1 title in pre: monkey of the green hills (reference to gate monkey) 2 title in pre: Traveler of the green hills 3 titles in pre: Guardian of the green hills 4 titles in pre: Protector of the green hills 5: titles in pre: Champion of the green hills. Eligable titles would be be, LdoA, Survivor, Drunken, sweet tooth, party animal. A reward could be that you can obtain a elite armor skin in pre (only the skin, the stats should be the same as collectors armor) |
fires element
kinda disagree about sweets and such. i would guess only the most dedicated perma-pre people even go for those titles while there so that would eliminate 3 other titles for those in post. another eligible title to point out would be treasure hunter since golden eggs also drop in pre and count towards that title taking away another title that is also account wide
Gabs88
No reason not to allow all characters from all campaigns to earn LDoA title. Storyline wise you could just say they visited prophecies earlier in their life..
Daesu
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Just an idea. but like being said, maybe it's an idea to don't let this title (nor any other pre-searing title count for GWAMM but make a different title track for pre all together. So far there are more titles in pre then only ldoa.
So why not make a Champion of the green hills-title? 1 title in pre: monkey of the green hills (reference to gate monkey) 2 title in pre: Traveler of the green hills 3 titles in pre: Guardian of the green hills 4 titles in pre: Protector of the green hills 5: titles in pre: Champion of the green hills. Eligable titles would be be, LdoA, Survivor, Drunken, sweet tooth, party animal. A reward could be that you can obtain a elite armor skin in pre (only the skin, the stats should be the same as collectors armor) |
Currently for GWAMM you usually need party animal, drunkard and sweet tooth too (if you dont have any account-wide titles). Personally I think these cons titles are silly. They serve no purpose in the story, no skill advantage, and it is only about spending gold to acquire said items, stand in town and click a bunch of stuff multiple times. Yay...the challenge of acquiring cons titles....
Dewshine Wildclaw
I actually found the party, sweet and drunk titles fun little side thing to do... farming stuff at events, actually having fun with the tonics, a lot of sweets can be useful while doing other stuff, dp removal, or boosts of some kind. I get that to do it that way which I did it takes a lot more time... but just saying it doesn't have to be about buying them and spamming repeatedly in town. Don't really understand why people hate on these titles so much 
I know... off topic and I don't have anything in particular to add to the actual topic... sorrehs.
I know... off topic and I don't have anything in particular to add to the actual topic... sorrehs.
fires element
as dewshine pointed out some of the sweets do serve a purpose. and as for no skill advantage there are several skills that synergize with being drunk when activating the skill
LanaDarkess
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So many replies, so I can reply to some of themYou missed the point. Sir Tydus didn't mention that there will be such things as "Titles" in early 2005 and leaving pre-searing means giving up on LDoA which was a title not even created yet at that time! How were the first players in pre-searing suppose to know what they would be giving up on in the future?
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If you would like me to repeat maybe the titles were still in development. I assume Anet is allowed to alter a game they made, no?
MithranArkanere
To be hones I would not mind if not just this one, but ALL titles became account wide.
The only exceptions would be reputation titles. They'll be characters based until the HM rank is reached, (e.g.: 6 lightbringer, 8 norn) and then become account wide, so they don't gain benefits unless they progress in the story, but don't have to grind to the max with more than one character.
The only exceptions would be reputation titles. They'll be characters based until the HM rank is reached, (e.g.: 6 lightbringer, 8 norn) and then become account wide, so they don't gain benefits unless they progress in the story, but don't have to grind to the max with more than one character.
Daesu
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If you would like me to repeat maybe the titles were still in development. I assume Anet is allowed to alter a game they made, no?
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Given the fact that titles didn't exist back then, many players made the decision to leave pre-searing at lower levels. Sure, ANet can alter the game so as to screw them up and make them regret that decision. Or ANet can recognize that many players would want to earn the LDoA title, now that it is available, and allow them to earn it with characters who have already left pre-searing before the title was available to them.
@Dewshine: Granted that, unlike myself, some of you may enjoy pursuing the cons titles. But I would like to see more options for maxed titles available to PvEers in the pursuit of GWAMM that do not require the cons titles or maxed account-wide titles.
Mintha Syl
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To be hones I would not mind if not just this one, but ALL titles became account wide.
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I would be all for making account wide titles that are too restrictive if char only, like consumables one, which are not much different from lucky, wisdom etc tbh, but not for those that specifically mean something about char interaction with the world.
fires element
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@Dewshine: Granted that, unlike myself, some of you may enjoy pursuing the cons titles. But I would like to see more options for maxed titles available to PvEers in the pursuit of GWAMM that do not require the cons titles or maxed account-wide titles.
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Daesu
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to my count you can get a maximum of 28 titles even if they DID let people go back and get LDoA. so you would still have to get either 2 account titles or 2 consumable titles. so either cons or account are required if you want to get gwamm
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MithranArkanere
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That would be terrible. First of all some like pursuing titles more than once. But most importantly the titles that really indicate something on the continent: imagine a legendary cartographer with all maps uncleared, guardian with no missions done, vanquisher who never even did hm...
I would be all for making account wide titles that are too restrictive if char only, like consumables one, which are not much different from lucky, wisdom etc tbh, but not for those that specifically mean something about char interaction with the world. |
One for the character and one for the account. You'll be able to select either title, but for plot purposes (NPCs responses, access to crafters, story and such) the character ones would be used.
The ones that would appear in account list would be the ones that are already account-wide and the ones ant character has maxed.
That way players can choose between:
- I'm a player that has done this.
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- I'm a character that has done this.
LanaDarkess
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So it is the player's fault for not knowing the future back in early 2005 when they left pre-searing?
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Is it not the developer's right to change their own game?
And from that, are you suggesting that someone would have stayed in pre from the start with all characters they made, and had no thoughts about exploring the world after the searing? I doubt it.
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Daesu
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I will repeat this ONCE more.
Is it not the developer's right to change their own game? And from that, are you suggesting that someone would have stayed in pre from the start with all characters they made, and had no thoughts about exploring the world after the searing? I doubt it. |
You missed the point yet again and I don't feel like repeating myself. Here you go, refer to previous post for reply:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=57
Murrick
Well, in plenty of games they have quests lines that allow a player to travel back in time to relive past events, and would not be difficult at all to do that in this situation.
To those that say it wouldn't make sense storyline wise, etc....really? You're worried about lore/roleplay? the title itself requires you absurdly abuse game mechanics in order to force creatures into a pathing error to force them to level up by letting them kill you over and over again so they can get higher levels and you can kill them to gain experience.....the whole idea of storyline/roleplay is completely irrelevant at this point.... IMO
To those that say it wouldn't make sense storyline wise, etc....really? You're worried about lore/roleplay? the title itself requires you absurdly abuse game mechanics in order to force creatures into a pathing error to force them to level up by letting them kill you over and over again so they can get higher levels and you can kill them to gain experience.....the whole idea of storyline/roleplay is completely irrelevant at this point.... IMO
DreamRunner
This idea is so bad, it boggles the mind. Do you realize the damage and consequences of implementing this? How can a character in post, which has access to limitless amount of resources, skills, elites, heroes and items. To be transfered into into a small, and closed community. The community prides itself for having only access to small amounts of resources and skills. Do you want to destoy the the presearing community, and everything else in it?
Murrick
it doesn't take that much creative genius to create a storyline. You don't have to put it in the tutorial PSA. The idea is done repeatedly throughout several games. Create a quest line, where at one point it takes you to a PSA seperate from the tutorial PSA, and allow players to fight a leveled version of Charrs in the northern regions in the final battles before before the searing takes place. Make it some sort of challenge where the end result is you're truely a legendary defender of Ascalon, that actually fits the title to the action. If you still want to play endless, mindless, numbing hours days weeks months whatever, abusing game mechanics in a level 1-9 zone, then Go right ahead. They don't have to interfere to make this a more sensable endeavor. Good grief, I get a damn message every hour reminding me how long I've been playing treated like I need a mother to tell me to take a break, when they put something in the game that forces you to obsess to make an achievement, its silly.
Seriously, its not brain surgery :P The whole GW universe is rich with stories from skilled writers...I'm pretty sure they can come up with something...
Seriously, its not brain surgery :P The whole GW universe is rich with stories from skilled writers...I'm pretty sure they can come up with something...
Perkunas
LDoA is achieved by reaching level 20 in pre. How do you propose to return a level 20 character to pre to do this title? Also, would you allow Factions and Nightfall characters to go to pre and get this title?
The mechanics behind doing this would be nearly impossible. Say you step through a portal to transport you there; you would be stripped of your armor and given starter armor, stripped of all your skills, all weapons removed and given a starter weapon. Your experience would be rest to zero, possibly removing survivor? You would lose all gold on your person, and all storage bags. Starting from complete scratch. Then after achieving the LDoA, the mechanics would have to recall everything it changed to get you to pre and restore you to your former glory, while not losing your new title.
Now throw in the Factions and Nightfall characters. Do you allow them to go to pre or tell them it is a Prophecies only title? If you allow them, do you allow them the headstart of having their starter skills, as there are no trainers for Rits, Sins, Dervs, and Paragons? What about their ability to upgrade their armor?
Things to think about.
The mechanics behind doing this would be nearly impossible. Say you step through a portal to transport you there; you would be stripped of your armor and given starter armor, stripped of all your skills, all weapons removed and given a starter weapon. Your experience would be rest to zero, possibly removing survivor? You would lose all gold on your person, and all storage bags. Starting from complete scratch. Then after achieving the LDoA, the mechanics would have to recall everything it changed to get you to pre and restore you to your former glory, while not losing your new title.
Now throw in the Factions and Nightfall characters. Do you allow them to go to pre or tell them it is a Prophecies only title? If you allow them, do you allow them the headstart of having their starter skills, as there are no trainers for Rits, Sins, Dervs, and Paragons? What about their ability to upgrade their armor?
Things to think about.
Murrick
Reread my post. A leveled version of the PSA area. Sure, anyone can show up. No stripping of armor/money needed. Keep in mind, the idea would be to have something separate from the tutorial PSA. You can keep your lil grinding community in the Tutorial zone. The mechanics are so incredibly simple its insane. The idea is to offer a higher level challenge/quest line that would grant you the same title. Again, it makes no sense to me why a title of such magnitude would require the abuse of game mechanics to achieve it.
Perkunas
@Murrick
Your post was not up when I started mine.
Edit: I have read your post. So you are saying, give them a pre-searing title in an area other than pre-searing? Also, abuse what game mechanics? There are now quests for level 10+, with mobs scaled to your level. You can now gain R1 survivor at same time as LDoA.
Your post was not up when I started mine.
Edit: I have read your post. So you are saying, give them a pre-searing title in an area other than pre-searing? Also, abuse what game mechanics? There are now quests for level 10+, with mobs scaled to your level. You can now gain R1 survivor at same time as LDoA.
Amy Awien
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Too bad our old prophecies characters cannot go back to pre-searing and earn their "Legendary Defender of Ascalon" title, through the new quests, anymore.
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Doesn't seem right to me, to go back with an old character. It was fun to revisit pre with a new one though, and I imagine an account-wide LDoA would be a better solution.
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The point is to get to lv20 before leaving.
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Long before that title there were those who had fallen in love with (pre-searing) Ascalon so strongly that they refused to forsake it and would stay to defend it till the end of their days. Those brave souls were granted the title of Legendary Defender of Ascalon.
Going back and all that jive sorta lessens the title and the emotion behind it, Legendary Defender of Ascalon should not become a trophy like other titles, or at least not more then it already is.
BrianDj
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Not only is bringing characters back to pre-searing completely retarded story-wise, it also shows how lazy players are these days.
Want LDoA? make a new character.
Otherwise we might as well ask ANet to publish a tool to let us add/remove titles to our own characters...
Stop whining about "wehh i left pre-searing back in 2005 but i want to go back!"
suggestions like this are plain retarded and a true waste of bandwidth.
Not only is bringing characters back to pre-searing completely retarded story-wise, it also shows how lazy players are these days.
Want LDoA? make a new character.
Otherwise we might as well ask ANet to publish a tool to let us add/remove titles to our own characters...
Stop whining about "wehh i left pre-searing back in 2005 but i want to go back!"
suggestions like this are plain retarded and a true waste of bandwidth.
Dosearius Takerius
While they are at it, maybe they could let me bring my heroes with me to pre as well...it sure would make things easier....and one of them could be given a special skill called 'gate monkey' so I would not need to party up with another person to get into... (I mean, why not...every time Anet gives some of you an inch you still cry it ain't enough)
I, too, have a toon that can never go back to pre and get LDoA...perhaps you should do what I and the vast majority of others do...DEAL WITH IT and understand why it simply does not make sense.
/neversign
I, too, have a toon that can never go back to pre and get LDoA...perhaps you should do what I and the vast majority of others do...DEAL WITH IT and understand why it simply does not make sense.
/neversign
Coast
it doesn't make sense that certain characters can get 1more title as others
akelarumi
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it doesn't make sense that certain characters can get 1more title as others
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Starting at Factions: very fast leveling, very quick acess to the main game
Starting at Nightfall: a good head start at the sunspear title track
Starting at prophecy's............ It's long, xp reward is extremely slow, money gained is extremely low, the only reason people would start there is actually ldoa.
Zaph
/not-effin-signed
Few days ago I deleted one of my characters to try out pre-searing (yes, in 6 years I never played pre, problem?) and give it a shot in getting LDoA. It's piece of cake easy now, don't be greedy and lazy and recreate one char for that! It's not like that you've got GWAMM on 8 characters and invertories full of stacks of ecto.......
Do something productive for yourself instead of pulling mindless topics on forum...
Few days ago I deleted one of my characters to try out pre-searing (yes, in 6 years I never played pre, problem?) and give it a shot in getting LDoA. It's piece of cake easy now, don't be greedy and lazy and recreate one char for that! It's not like that you've got GWAMM on 8 characters and invertories full of stacks of ecto.......
Do something productive for yourself instead of pulling mindless topics on forum...
Ballad Of Pwnage
The only 'reasonable' way of doing this in my opinion is:
A certain Asura gate or whatever is discovered which only operates when used in combination with a Tyrian Ring (which you will obtain from Warmaster Tydus in Ascalon City if you are a Tyrian Character).
This Asura Gate will (like the Commando mission on April Fool's day) take you to a parralel world where you can "return to pre-searing".
When returned you will play an "alternate version" of your character, which has then been stripped of his skills, equipment and everything you have earned after you left pre-searing.
From this point onward you can switch between a your pre-searing character, and your post-searing character.
Once you decide to leave pre-searing with that character, however, there is no way of returning as your Tyrian Ring will get destroyed during the assault on Vaatlaw Doomtooth.
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Now to get back to reality...even though this would be something that would not conflict with the storyline or something, I think it will be too much trouble to implement these things just because some people are too lazy to recreate their character.
A certain Asura gate or whatever is discovered which only operates when used in combination with a Tyrian Ring (which you will obtain from Warmaster Tydus in Ascalon City if you are a Tyrian Character).
This Asura Gate will (like the Commando mission on April Fool's day) take you to a parralel world where you can "return to pre-searing".
When returned you will play an "alternate version" of your character, which has then been stripped of his skills, equipment and everything you have earned after you left pre-searing.
From this point onward you can switch between a your pre-searing character, and your post-searing character.
Once you decide to leave pre-searing with that character, however, there is no way of returning as your Tyrian Ring will get destroyed during the assault on Vaatlaw Doomtooth.
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Now to get back to reality...even though this would be something that would not conflict with the storyline or something, I think it will be too much trouble to implement these things just because some people are too lazy to recreate their character.
starlitesunset
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The only reason why people are bothered about LDoA now is due to the fact Anet has spoilt the title by offering these quests with 1000xp daily
, Alot of guys who say we want to time travel back to pre to get it, would you still feel the same if there were no quests giving 1000xp? and that you had to devote alot of time death leveling hundred of charr to reach level 20? I dont think so
/not signed.
Mintha Syl
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The only reason why people are bothered about LDoA now is due to the fact Anet has spoilt the title by offering these quests with 1000xp daily
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Perkunas
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Yes it does. Each campaign has it's benefits.
Starting at Factions: very fast leveling, very quick acess to the main game Starting at Nightfall: a good head start at the sunspear title track Starting at prophecy's............ It's long, xp reward is extremely slow, money gained is extremely low, the only reason people would start there is actually ldoa. |
MrNewYorkRunner
This doesn't Make any sense; it's not appropriate.
1.) You can get Level 19 at level 99%, then get the title(in pre) while killing like a few foes if that.
2.) If you're level 20 already, how u gun get?
3.) I could probably see maybe getting a factions char to get LDoA, but what if you bring easy SoS skills for example, or carry easy builds that doesn't make it fair to get LDoA appropriately.
1.) You can get Level 19 at level 99%, then get the title(in pre) while killing like a few foes if that.
2.) If you're level 20 already, how u gun get?
3.) I could probably see maybe getting a factions char to get LDoA, but what if you bring easy SoS skills for example, or carry easy builds that doesn't make it fair to get LDoA appropriately.