What did you get from your 7th year birthday present?

They just brought back asian minis... what makes you think they won't do the same for weapons

/joke

QFT.

GW has always taken a stance against grind and elitism, and has made a lot of changes to even the playing field when players create grind and elitism (LDoA is a great example). So one can't really be surprised by this change.

Most of the minis in question weren't initially "earned" anyway. Most were hand-outs that a select group of people were lucky enough to cash in on. If you happened to play the market and were in possession of some, and now the bottom has dropped out of your investment, well, that's how high-stakes trading works....

Where will people hoard their ludicrous amounts of play money now?

Ok my friend asked me to post this for him.

Anet could not come up with a new idea for 7th year presents because they are overwhelmed trying to produce Guild Wars 2 so they took the cop out and released mini pets which they all ready had texture skins for.

Their history has been to introduce new items into the game which sell for ridiculous amounts of gold until they are no longer new in the market. Then repeat a short time later to keep the guild wars economy healthy.

What they have done now with releasing the same mini pets back into the market without new content is a sign of what you can expect in guild wars 2. I think they are not helping their player base by making such insulting moves. Can't wait for my Diablo 3 CE to show up on the 16th. So glad I did not order guild wars 2.

Yeah, I can't even with any of you. Really, I can't. I can say is that if I don't have to play with the extremely grievous whiners in GW2, because you're so very butthurt about minis that you're not buying it, I will be one happy girl.

Look, nobody actually gives a crap what kind of minipet you have. Really! It doesn't make you a better person. It doesn't make anyone with a brain jealous of you! It doesn't mean anet has insulted their playerbase... That one really takes the cake. Please, tell me how anet has insulted me by giving someone I don't even know a rare minipet in a game nobody is going to care about in a few months.

I know, I know, learn to read. Listen, I won one of those rare henchmen tonics back in the day. Still have it, actually. So, yeah, I understand what it's like to have something sitting around worth some ecto. I sure as shoot wouldn't be crying that anet disrespected me if they chose to give someone else a rare chance to get one.

This entire game is based on achievements and material possessions. Without that there would be no reason to play it. The longevity of this game is the fact your can earn titles, gold and have a social atmosphere. Without the first two you might as well go to a yahoo chat room.

As far as your EL henchman tonic, I am sure given enough time they will recycle that as well since they don't release new in game rewards for their customers dedications.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Divinus_Tutela

That link should be funny to you if you know anything about ZoS and White Wasabi.

Everyone has the right to their opinion. Either way anet makes the rules they decided to give everyone a fair chance to get a mini in game which semi-dead.

I have no issues with it though i agree kinda agree that it craps on the players who have stayed with them for so long. I also understand how it devalues most of the minis in the game. Just deal with it and move on.

NOW STICK TO TOPIC what did u damn get from 7th years just opened 20 more and nothing

Jensy i am always here for u to sell the tonic to me it will be with it own kind and happy

Some of us actually worked for our rarities, and some of us won them.

Its simply as that;
If you worked your ass of for a car that cost $100,000, and when you bought the car, a few weeks later they started to sell it for $50,000, and then $20,000 and so on...

Would you NOT be pissed?

I worked my ass of for my oni, and now the price has started to drop.
Sure, i dont regret buying one, but if i waited 5-6 months, i could have bought 3 to the price of 1.

5 years+ being at unattainable prices for the masses i think is a big difference between a few weeks.

you won't see a drastic fall in price straight away but a gradual decline that has already began.

To all all the people who didn't own asian mini's, your opinions don't mean squat since its completely biased. From obvious jealousy to pretending to be above it all yet here you are. You also have nothing to lose. You can only gain from this. Many have said it was fair to re-release asian minis. If it's fair to re-release those, then re-release all of them. Bring us the Frog(s). Then it will be fair. Until then there is one elite mini (3 actually) out there. No matter what, they won't do it simply because that would be screwing one of their own. You guys keep avoiding this point. That was an in game reward for a fellow game player. Give it to us too.

So not many feel like losing a small fortune overnight is messed up? Or maybe just letting the assholes talk for you? Many are openly celebrating other peoples' losses? They screwed some good people in the community. Some may be elitist or whatever. But they played a lot of extra hours to grab those minis. I haven't heard one of those owners say this was the right thing to do and that doesn't make them bad people. Most of you running your mouths are hypocrites or pure communist. Which is it? Cuz I don't want everything to be equal in the end. Just give the same opportunities and whatever happens after that...

Some who act like they don't care either way. Then stay out of it. Don't try to act above it all. You come across callous and lacking in empathy for others. Just because it doesn't hold value for you, don't project and try to say others should feel like you do. The world would be an even sadder place if everyone held only your values. QQ that

So many hypocrites. If you earned anything say even fow armor and later it was free to anyone, you'd feel something. A very small % wouldn't care, but most would feel something for all that time put into getting it. Imagine that x 10+. Take anything anyone is really into, and put effort into achieving or getting. Then to have that lotto'd off to folks. At some point, most anyone would feel anger or disappointment. It just depends on what it is.

I know I'm in the minority. I don't own any asian minis and actually come out ahead on this, but I'm still going to say that it isn't right. It's lazy of them at best.

Too bad so many sheep not just in gw, but in the world. You are cool with everything your beloved game/world does... until they screw you personally. Then you can sit quietly and take it, or bitch and moan. Then some of your friends here, will turn on you, and side with the game company, and say too bad for you.

Don't QQ me cuz I didn't lose a thing. QQ yourselves for lying and being hypocrites. You haven't won the argument. All you've done is written QQ too bad blah blah baaah baah sheep sounds... QQ those who can be bought off by a gaming company.

This isn't the first time Anet has screwed over a minority. Get over it. Weapon traders got screwed over by inscriptions and HB/TA players got screwed over by anet's incompetence. They moved on and so should anyone getting all pissed off over minis which had terribly manipulated price tags in the first place.

Only thing I got from your post was QQ hypocrite QQ. Realize this is a game, years from now this won't mean anything to you except the experience playing it. You're not going to care about how erich you were, if you are that's really really sad.

On topic is the speculation that every mini except frogs expected to drop? If so how you think the drops would be categorized with bday minis at the very bottom I'm assuming and asian minis at the top but what about the in between?

Using FoW is pretty funny. What about the people who bought it when ectos were 25k? Were they mad when they could pick up ectos for 4.5k when SF was at its peak? As I have said, this stuff happens all the time. It happens in GW, just like it happens in every other mmo & online game. Stuff gets easier to do, or older items are handed out again and it results in peoples time/skill/money input being devalued. If you can't deal with the fact that you at at the mercy of the company running the game then stop playing online games. Stop right now, because your only gonna get angry over stuff like this again and again, and it will happen countless more times. I've been burned on things I've done being worth less in the past, but at the end it doesn't matter for me. Do you know why? Because all that matters when all is said and done is my experience. I know exactly how I earned x title or bought y item. The fact that people can do what I did in half the time or with a quarter of the cash doesn't matter, because I've already done it, had the experience and enjoyed it for so much longer.

And pls, complaining about them being lotto'd off is so very ironic. Do you not know how most of these came into the game? Heres a hint: only a small amount came from contests/tournaments where skill/talent was involved.

CRY MOAR AND POST FURTHER QQS PLZZZZZ

And to think, once upon a time in this game, we were watching and commenting on EW's surprise FoC spike getting screwed over because Te's dom mes decided to take CoF, iB's recall ganking or iQ's VoD surprise. How far this game has fallen. Good lord, if I find the Wyatt/O'Brien/Strain interview about their objectives and vision for the E3 trailer...

I personally have played for 7 years too, and have played on several accounts for over 6k hours. I actually never wanted to spend the time in game to power trade, so I never got enough money to actually buy those asian mini's. Most of my money went to my own armors, and those of my guildies and their HoM's. I think it's great to see that even I can get an asian mini now.

You guys seem to think random people now get asian mini's, this actually isn't the case. People who've been playing the game for over 7 years are getting those mini's. Most of them have been very loyal to guildwars and A-net. So I think it's great we can get the mini's now.

You say A-net is screwing over people that have played for a tiny bit longer so they can earn an asian minipet. Well I think you're totaly wrong. A-net was screwing over the people that have been playing for 7 years and never had the chance to get those mini. A-net finaly fixed this, and gave us the possibility to earn our own nice looking pixel epeen.

shitty english ftw >.<

@all the whining and QQing and stuff

... not a single f*ck was given today

BTT pls still waiting for some real proof that other pets than naga+oni can drop from the presents so moar screenies pls ...

btw I dont understand why ppl are pissed bout the presents they should be pissed bout this duping crap cuz all the duped stuffs still in the game and so the dupers are and prolly will be for the next 2 months, big thx to anet if they dont give a crap bout this game anymore and dont fix this sh*t ... Ill take back what I just said if they do sth about it the next two weeks but I think we all know this will not happen considering the fact that thousands of duped arms from years ago are still in the game ...

so far ...

Theres also people with several pandas/ig/kanaxais here that can deal with it, so why can't u deal with it?

I've owned and dedicated a Yeti and a Naga I farmed my backside off for. Then I sold them to get Z keys for Z title. Am I agrieved that they're now readily available (albeit still with some rarity)? Hell no. I'm actually now hoping that I can add a Shiroken and an IG to my HoM if the price is right. It would be nice to "complete" the minis collection (I'm like that) and now theres a slim hope I can, but at least now I have the opportunity whereas before it was a complete no go.
I personally think its a good thing theyre finally becoming available to the masses.
Just my take on it

Stop assuming people have acquired asian minis just to show off. This isn't about showing off, or weather or not the game will ne meaningless in 5 months time. If you are already at the point that you think this game is done, why do you care they you can now get the rare pets? Some of your arguments make sense.

The game is dead, so I shouldn't care that my wealth in meaningless, yet you are bringing meaning back into the game stating that people should be given these minis. If you think the game is dead, gtfo and move on.

Now, to explain, people have been buying asian minis to hold there money without having a stash full of ecto. As the years have passed and these pets have not been released, they have been a safe method of holding money.

AS far is everyone having a "fair" chance at getting an asian mini, well you do. You can do the same work that others do to get a hold of one. If this is not something you are willing to do, that is all on you.

Please not I'm talking about the current state of minis 5years after the last ones have been released. They aren't just contest rewards anymore, they are rare commodities that some people collect and others use to hold their money.

This is not just QQ. I happen to disagree with a choice that Anet has made. If you are a mindless drone who is cool with anything that Anet does, congrats, you are simple money to them. You cannot take every disagreement with Anet as QQ, and whining. I'm sorry, but if you don't have an opinion, or you can step up and disagree with someone, I want nothing to do with you.

For the record, I would also like to add that I DO NOT OWN rare asian minis. I have been working toward buying a few, and the release of the pets would help me greatly as I will be able to buy pretty much all of them, given what they price drops will be.

The people I see commenting here are:
1) Those who understand that it really isn't fair to those who worked hard to acquire an asian mini (again, in its current state)
2) The Jealous kids who want to play with the shiny firetruck just because there friend timmy is playing with it. (ps. the firetruck won't seem so shiny now)
3) A few stating that they have asian pets but don't care. To which I must ask, do they not care about the pets, or the game in general now? If you have moved on, of course you don't care. (or people given rare pets. Why would you care, you didn't do anywork to get it... I'm talking about the ones who did.)


I would just like to get an answer from Anet as to why they thought to add asian pets back to the game, and what they think of the people who spend time to get them. (Is there a way I can ask them this? Support would not be the way)

just read up to the part where you are saying if you didn't own one your opinion doesn't mean squat, thats wrong i got a ded zhed from a friend for free, i honestly do not give a shit if the prices on it fell and if it lost its value, might have lost its uniqueness but its the thought that counts. im glad they made some of the high end minis acquireable now by the masses because this game will be dead soon so it is still going to be worthless(as it should be, non-droppable weapons should have always been the rarest things in the game).

Tbh this is the only valid argument on the 'anti' side provided in the whole thread. ANet screwed people's investments - not purposely, i guess, but they did. Denying that would be a sure sign of mental issues.
Then again, there were many more shifts in investments' value (investments as in: gold-holders, items used as currency 'higher' than platinum) throughout the game's history. Compare ectos from the beginning, from the SCs' peak and from now; compare armbraces at various moments of the game's life. Sure, all those changes were kind of playerbase-induced, in a sense that ANet did nothing that introduced them so directly as now, but keep in mind that UW SCs has become longer because of the developer's updates (heck, it was possible in the first place, making ectos at 4,5k each, because of ANet's decisions with the game).
Now, i would understand all the whining if adding the rarest pets to presents was ANet's tactic to fight off the uneven distribution of goods in the game; if they wanted to 'punish' the wealthiest both by devaluating their assessments and by making more random people somewhat on par with them, in terms of possessions. But i'm pretty sure that no one at ANet thought about it this way - ectos against merch stones that they simply found a good idea in it, honouring their 7y players not only by helping them with their HoMs (no white minis), but also by giving them off chance to get a very rare and thus cool pet. We might feel a little let down because of no new pets, simply because we got used to new shinies every april, but there's nothing really wrong about the course they chose.

To even elaborate a bit more on the topic of lost assessments, it's very comparable to real estate speculators and all kinds of traders - sure, they can anticipate some dwindlings of the market every now and then, but no one will really predict a total crash. Companies wouldn't go bankrupt if it was that easy.
There always are external forces having influence on our money power - in the wonderful world of video games, the developers are nearly almighty and, actually, it's quite okay - as long as they don't, purposely, destroy players' goods this or that way. And there was 'always' this small possibility that ANet eventually add asian pets to in-game sources, like Z-Chest - an idea postulated pretty often here, in Guru's Sardelac.


Now there's another issue - there has to eventually be a hard cap for how much you can pay for something, given how GW trades work. I do agree that the current cap of 100k per trade is ridiculous and removing any caps on storing gold, in the chest or at characters, would be one of the best updates ever. But that cap is there.
So, to 'ignore' it, people started using other currencies. Gold - plat - ecto - braces - minis. Ok, understendable.

Now, imagine that there was only one Kanaxai in the whole game, and the second rarest item - or at least minipet - was Vizu. The trick is that there would be substantially more Vizus - like 50 - but still that'd be second-best, only after the one Kanaxai (just theorising, and giving a plastic idea). So the Kanaxai would be probably worth 100k + 7 Vizus - because that's the most one can pay for another item.
Sounds right.
So, there's still only one Kanaxai, but much much more other minis, and other items, so that - in the extreme - they're devaluated below a stack of braces. Then the Kanaxai would be, at most, 100k + 7*250 braces - because there's no other way to trade more between two people.

Suddenly braces are made 50g each at a trader, so the Kanaxai is 100k + 7*250 ectos.
It still is the most expensive item in the whole game.
What happens then is more people store their money in ectos - because neither braces nor highend minis are reliable anymore. Prices of ectos skyrocket, affecting obsidian-wanna-haves, but essentially still keeping the Kanaxai worth hell-a-lot in rough gold. Sure, it'd probably be considerably less, but still much more than you'd need to buy everything you ever wanted - the difference wouldn't be that bad.

Now imagine someone happened in the opposite direction - within the current market, some new unique item type would be introduced. All things would be one-of-a-kind, and they'd be even rarer than asian pets. It doesn't matter what would it be, but for example think of mounts - let's ignore the game's mechanics now, we're talking only about the market and currencies.
So there are new mounts, ANet issued like 10 total, each one is different and unique, and they're actually of some use to people. How much would one be - seven Kanaxais?
And what if there are more mounts, comparable to pets right now - white, purp, gold and five truly unique green ones; the mounts (or whatever other item type - as i said, insert anything here) would become the 'higher' currency than the pets, pandas included.

What i'm saying is that if asian pets are indeed devaluated beyond being usable as highend currency, the braces and ectos will go considerably up in their value.
What i'm also saying is that everything about getting asian pets from birthday presents is fine, market-wise. Sure, some of the wealthiest who kept their fortunes in rarest pets would get their fortunes somewhat smaller, but still big enough to buy them whatever they need. And if you're collecting in-game, pixel-generated cash and highend pets as currency only for the sake of amassing imaginary wealth, then i have some really bad news for you.

its not as simple as that man

there are weapons that are prolly even rarer than unded kanaxai like purelys q7 15^50 broad (before he custod it ofc) or that perfect uncond axe that is quite famous now on guru but still ppl were willin to pay more for an unded kana than they would have paid for those weapons and those weapons were at least of use compared to the kana

LET IT GO.

LET IT GO.

LET IT GO.


Breathe. Move on. If seeing a flying lawnmower and a smiling gorilla didn't make you smile and laugh at the situation then you really need to calm down and back away from your computer.

What exactly has anyone lost here? What did Anet take from anyone? Ego? Please. Time? It's your own damn fault for spending vast amounts of time pouring into a game for items that you MUST know may and will become utterly irrelevant someday.

If you weren't playing this game to have fun, you're doing it wrong.

I returned after 2 years to discover that many of my titles and rare items were not so rare and some more openly accessible. Big effing deal. I still love my shineys. Do I give half a shit about them, ultimately? Nah. THIS IS A GAME. I'll continue to enjoy what I have and enjoy the game until I make the switch to GW2. I've had fun. I can walk away at any time knowing that. And I have. I can say I personally feel like I've gotten my moneys worth out of these games. If you don't - sorry for you.

Pretty much. All we need is some guy taking a shit up against Professor Yakkington.

I suppose those people who are baww'ing their eyes out over this must have to delude themselves that they've not wasted away their lives grinding for pixels with no intrinsic value.

Rate seems exceptionally low, nothing to worry about. Dupe is a much larger issue seeing as how they could, in theory, saturate the market with an unlimited supply.

This right here is what it's all about. Well said!

I am disappointed in the people that always update wiki for not getting all the "new" 7th year minis up on the wiki yet. People posted screens of what was in WiK and WoC gifts and boxes almost immediately after those things went live and they were up on the wiki in seconds. People post legitimate screens(not talking about the fake ones that are obvious, talking about the ones that are obviously real) and some of those pets still aren't on the list. Protecting your virtual investments over omitting info from the fan base is shady. Stop being shady.

Speaking of wiki, have Mini Oola and Ooze been confirmed? If so, they are not on the "miniature" page on the wiki, but they are on the "birthday present" page.

Yes, they both exist. I've seen people with 'em at various times.

That's one of the reasons I want to much an actual trade system in this game.
With the current system, it actually impossible to know the value of things. There's only estimations based on a limited set of players willing to trade.
The value a few players give to something is not the value it really has.

While external tools are limited to those that use it frequently and do not show the actual situation, an in-game market easily accessible while playing includes everyone as shows how things are with more accuracy.

It's the truth. Truth is like the asbestos of logic. No need to run from fires while bearing it.

No matter how much their paid for them, the origin of many of them was random.
The origin of these ones is till random, but instead being awarded to anyone, they are awarded to loyal players that had accounts older than 7 years.
The main difference now is that prices won't go up and up reaching ludicrous prices as these miniatures disappear by being customized or deleted along bans or when the owner 'leaves' GW to never come back.
As less players are in game willing to pay they'll go down, and older accounts have less activity they will go up. So their prices will probably move towards a more reasonable range, and more people will get to enjoy them.

If that's bad, may Kormir herself come here and say so before I end writing this post...
Nope. No goddess of truth. So it must be good.

No, spending a lot of time (months, years) saving to get something very expensive only to have it devalued a few months later isn't just borderline crazy, but downright obscene and very infuriating.

If you think this is just about money, you're wrong (and very blind). High end minis used to be a sign of prestige and something you could be proud to have earned. Now all you have to do is double click on a birthday present. What's so proud about that?

So it just comes down to e-penis?

Man up already coast xD


And no... It comes down to all the work you put into something being worth nothing and pissed all over when you were proud of your accomplishment. Its no different than buying a car with cash or finishing a mortgage only to have them stolen and be left on a curb with your fist up your butt.

Isn't that more or less the definition of e-penis?

"Prestige" and "something earned"? Does that apply to the people who originally got the vast majority of these rare pets in a lottery?

Fear my prestigious random lottery skills!

The overwhelming number of these 'rare' minis were given to players at random, dumb luck at work. Just because you or others paid a fortune for them doesn't change that one bit.

Getting one 'randomly' from a 7th year present is no more or less 'prestigious' than getting one in a random lottery or other giveaway.

No matter, the QQs make it all worthwhile.

Seven 7th year gifts so far, ALL purples, nothing rare... a few char shaman's and an Oola for me... and I really don't care. I'd sell the rest of my 7th year presents but I don't care about the money either, I'm here for the entertainment

Miniature Longhair Yeti

Japan region Netcafe promotion (500 were given through lucky draw)

Taiwan region Nightfall preview event GM game winning prizes (250 were given)
Nightfall title contest prizes (61 were given)

100 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest.
Brand the Bosses (2007) optional prize for a Winner, Honorable Mention or Finalist.
Europe Massive Mini Pet Giveaway

Given as prize to the finalists (unknown number awarded) of the Halloween Art Contest 2007

Miniature Naga Raincaller

Japan region Netcafe promotion (500 were given through lucky draw)

Taiwan region Nightfall preview event GM game winning prizes (250 were given)
Nightfall title contest prizes (61 were given)

Brand the Bosses (2007) optional prize for a Winner, Honorable Mention or Finalist.
Mini Mania Contest
Europe
100 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest. Massive Mini Pet Giveaway

Given as prize to the finalists (?? awarded) of the Halloween Art Contest 2007

Miniature Oni

Japan region Netcafe promotion (500 were given through lucky draw)

Taiwan region Nightfall preview event GM game winning prizes (250 were given)
Nightfall title contest prizes (61 were given)
Guild Wars Official blog lucky draw (10 were given)

Brand the Bosses (2007) optional prize for a Winner, Honorable Mention or Finalist.
Europe
100 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest. Massive Mini Pet Giveaway

Given as prize to the finalists (?? awarded) of the Halloween Art Contest 2007
7th Year Birthday Present

Miniature Island Guardian

Each Member of the Top 3 Teams in the Japanese Guild Wars Championship. (8 Members per team x 3 Teams = 24 Miniatures Given)
Taiwan Signup to Help New Players during the first two weeks of Nightfall Contest. 50th-99th People to sign up received Island Guardians (50th-99th People = 50 Miniatures Given)
Taiwan Nightfall Title Contest (61 Miniatures Given)
Halloween Art Contest 2007 prizes (10 awarded)
1 new one in Wintersday contest

Miniature Shiro'ken Assassin

A total of 75 of these miniatures were awarded to players as follows:
Europe: 20 awarded during PCGameplay's Massive Mini Pet Giveaway (Netherlands and Belgium)
North America: 45 given during the Mini Mania Contest.
Taiwan: 10 given in tournament

Miniature Zhed

Japan region Netcafe promotion (40 were given through lucky draw)

Taiwan region Guild Wars Official Blog (10 were given through lucky draw)

Europe Massive Mini Pet Giveaway (20 were given through lucky draw)

Miniature Vizu

Japan region Netcafe promotion (20 were given through lucky draw)

Taiwan region GW official blog lucky draw (9 prizes)

Europe
10 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest. Through the Massive Mini Pet Giveaway

Contest Halloween Art Contest 2007 (10 prizes)

7th Year Birthday Present [verification requested]


Look at the sum of these minis and the bolded words. Almost all of the minis were introduced through lucky draws and random contests which have nothing to do with "working hard" in GW.

It's not the fault of the players who also like these minis. It's the fault of players who value these minis so highly that they themselves raise the prices to unimaginable levels. If you worked so hard for the mini then go and complain to the person you bought it from because they're the one who charged you 18 thousand hours worh of "work" no one else, to get it. That may be a hard pill to swallow but it's good medicine. And Prestige? Do you honestly think the general playerbase even cares? You can say we like the minis and yeah, you'd be right. But most of us would be just happy to have one as opposed to making sure someone else doesn't. That's what defines a better player.

Selfish greed and the need to be recognized because you WASTED your time getting something that means so little to most other people is your own burden to bear.

I figured Anet would just add all those skins under different names and call it fair game a year or two ago. This works too, even though it's later than I expected. Here's hoping for Island Guardians!

This a thousand times.

I think that the FEW that are being introduced thru the presents will probably only replace the ones that were removed from the game on banned accounts--so we will probably be back to where it was in ...2007? I HIGHLY doubt that there will be TONS of these flooding the market (besides the supposedly duped ones---) so those high and epeen mighty can stay on their horses and the few LUCKY DRAWS amongst us may join them.

(by the time I get mine this will all be passed...so I will keep my 3 joras and mini kirin as no one really wants purples anyways).