Report of a very dangerous bug

Gabs88

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by Swingline View Post
... and you don't attribute that to the GW2 release being right around the corner?
No, because other GW2 related price changes started earlier then the zkey change. I'm thinking that the potentially increased supply is balanced out by increased demand from people wanting to max out HoM.

N1ght

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2012

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Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded View Post
It requires a specifically altered gw client that wasn't publicly released. Only a few people actually had access to it or the know-how to make the modifications regardless.
Thats BS...It has nothing to do with a cusomized client.

Well...most of you guys post sth like "who cares,gw is dead lets wait for gw2!"...But:
If they cant fix this exploit in a 7 year old, well known game, how will they be able to fix it in Guild Wars 2?
If something like this exploit happens in Guild Wars 2 and it will take some months to fix it, the guld wars 2 market will crash as the Guild Wars 1 market did.

Tullzinski

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

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ANET should just put in a NPC that gives everyone anything they want and call it a day. They were heading down this road anyway with the massive drops over the anniversary.

This is not worth the time and money spent to combat it.

Shijou

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2011

So what is the status of the market right now? I don't have a lot of money in this game and I was hoping to buy a bunch of alcohol next week.

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

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Damn, botters are gonna have fun when people come from gw2 wanting cash for hom stuff with no one at anet to check the reports. lol.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by N1ght View Post
Thats BS...It has nothing to do with a cusomized client.

Well...most of you guys post sth like "who cares,gw is dead lets wait for gw2!"...But:
If they cant fix this exploit in a 7 year old, well known game, how will they be able to fix it in Guild Wars 2?
If something like this exploit happens in Guild Wars 2 and it will take some months to fix it, the guld wars 2 market will crash as the Guild Wars 1 market did.
Ah yes, because a team with 200+ people can't work faster than a team with about 2 people.....

Missing HB

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Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko View Post
You can have everyone in the game get r12 gladiator. It won't make much of a difference because anyone "that good"* is known and it will take any high-end player a matter of moments to figure out the r12 players are bad if we decide to play with any of them.



*Rank has been meaningless for sometime now - for those who are new and do not know this
That's partially right. The problem, you know, is that the number of " serious " PvP'ers left in the game is really small compared to the rest of players..
There are a few players in the game who achieved commander 8-11, and i can tell you that 95% of the community would call them red resigners..
The same applied for champion title. I recommand you to expose your champion title on a name, and to get an other name with the same rank... Half players will call you cap leecher or syncer..

The majority of players have their own opinions about how fair are some PvP titles, and most will say what they observed towards formats to anyone wearing a title..

Back on topic, i think not enough players in game do care or will even notice it so that they do anything... They did do something for bots because everyone was complaining everywhere( i remember 100 pages threads on this forum), but players could explicitely see them in game..

How can someone in game know that xx person is doing it ? They won't meet anyone while gaining their title. Besides, players not reading this thread probably won't notice anything( personnaly, that's the case for me ...)

P I X E L

P I X E L

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Join Date: Apr 2008

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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Ah yes, because a team with 200+ people can't work faster than a team with about 2 people.....
If I have a 40 year old Mercedes (or w/e car), I pay for that car with my money. That is my car and I want full support from Mercedes service in anytime.

If I come to Mercedes and they tell me, sorry we cant fix your problem we have only 2 ppl in the world who working on repairing cars and you have same problem like 53792974 ppl, what should I do?!

IF YOU MAKE A PRODUCT THAT U CANT SERVICE AFTER 7 YEARS. CLOSE COMPANY NOW!

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

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Originally Posted by P I X E L View Post
If I have a 40 year old Mercedes (or w/e car), I pay for that car with my money. That is my car and I want full support from Mercedes service in anytime.

If I come to Mercedes and they tell me, sorry we cant fix your problem we have only 2 ppl in the world who working on repairing cars and you have same problem like 53792974 ppl, what should I do?!

IF YOU MAKE A PRODUCT THAT U CANT SERVICE AFTER 7 YEARS. CLOSE COMPANY NOW!
Yeah, they ain't fixing your car for free buddy. Note that ANet is updating the game for free.

Example

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2012

seems like its fixed guys
dhuum just killed some ppl at gtob
and the named website claims they got banned and it cant be used anymore

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by P I X E L View Post
If I have a 40 year old Mercedes (or w/e car), I pay for that car with my money. That is my car and I want full support from Mercedes service in anytime.

If I come to Mercedes and they tell me, sorry we cant fix your problem we have only 2 ppl in the world who working on repairing cars and you have same problem like 53792974 ppl, what should I do?!

IF YOU MAKE A PRODUCT THAT U CANT SERVICE AFTER 7 YEARS. CLOSE COMPANY NOW!
Funnily enough you will still have to actually PAY to get the car fixed. ArenaNet is working for FREE on GW atm. So that really doesnt work out.

N1ght

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2012

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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Ah yes, because a team with 200+ people can't work faster than a team with about 2 people.....
Think -> Reply...ty!

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by N1ght View Post
Think -> Reply...ty!
I did. And it is a FACT that the team working on GW atm is minimal, of course it will take time for them do fix things. And of course with 150+ more people it would most likely go faster.
So please explain to mean how I didn't think.

N1ght

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2012

Well...from where do you have this information? If you think a little bit about it...Things like the complete support, balancing, WOC,etc cant be realised by 5-10 people. For sure they have still a lot of people working @GW1.

Btt: I found out that they actually have an outpost with a botter guild...

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

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[QUOTE=N1ght;5688446]Well...from where do you have this information? If you think a little bit about it...Things like the complete support, balancing, WOC,etc cant be realised by 5-10 people. For sure they have still a lot of people working @GW1.

Btt: I found out that they actually have an outpost with a botter guild...

I suppose you missed the whole: "The live-team is switching over to work on GW2" deal about a month back. And even before that it was confirmed (I'll see if I find the quote) that they were only around 5-10 people working on GW currently.

And do you actually KNOW that is a botter guild, or are you just assuming?

Nekodesu

Nekodesu

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Join Date: Oct 2009

Maybe this is why there's so much selling of ecto's going around and advertising in the districts?

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Originally Posted by N1ght View Post
Things like the complete support, balancing, WOC,etc cant be realised by 5-10 people. For sure they have still a lot of people working @GW1.
Off course they do. The Live Team it's not the entirety of the people working on GW1, it's just the (small) core group of PR and game designers devoted to GW1 up to now.

Just to name a few, support isn't even handled by Arenanet (NCSoft handles it) and they surely have a dedicated squad of full time coders, network engineers and such.

Nerel

Nerel

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Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
I did. And it is a FACT that the team working on GW atm is minimal, of course it will take time for them do fix things. And of course with 150+ more people it would most likely go faster.
So please explain to mean how I didn't think.
Once GW2 is released, and any initial post launch issues of importance have been hammered out what do you think those 200 or so Anet employees will be doing?
Assuming Anet's approach to product development hasn't changed significantly then they have already started doing it, and will be allocating more of their resources to it after GW2's release... developing the next release.

Even with the cash shop Anet is dependent on shifting units (box sales/digital accounts), that is their primary source of cash, most if not all of their resources will be working on that, likely with a minimum of people being retained solely for bug squashing and fixing issues such as exploits/botting in the existent game.

History repeats itself. It is the nature of their revenue stream.

P I X E L

P I X E L

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Join Date: Apr 2008

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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Funnily enough you will still have to actually PAY to get the car fixed. ArenaNet is working for FREE on GW atm. So that really doesnt work out.
Funny enough that you dont understand what is the problem.

Problem is: this bug and all other fix is not fault by user, its fault from developers. If they have time for skill balance, numerous events, update like WoC etc, they must have time and resources for this.

btw if some manufacturer has serious issues, they will call you and fix THEIR problem for free! U never heard? - Mercedes has noticed a bug on a 10.000 vehicles and they calling all owners to contact the service.

Another one: Nokia has issues all times with their applications, and they constantly upgrading something...guess what, for free, because they care for customers even after ten years.

Merovingian

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2011

Mo/

aaaand now theres talk of duping asian minis being possible in kamadan. if true, this game is utterly screwed....

Atanna Charta

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2012

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I'd say it's more than likely just the 7th year celebration. It happens every year guys. Prices drop like rocks when everyone's trying to trade their ecto for consumables. Best time to trade minis, etc.

If there really is a bug with pvp maps, then PM the details to a mod on the GW support forums. This post is NOT going to help. If anything, it'll just make this worse with wild speculation. I suggest everyone just lets this thread die, or only post FACTS. If you don't know 100%, please don't start a crazy rumor.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by P I X E L View Post
Funny enough that you dont understand what is the problem.

Problem is: this bug and all other fix is not fault by user, its fault from developers. If they have time for skill balance, numerous events, update like WoC etc, they must have time and resources for this.

btw if some manufacturer has serious issues, they will call you and fix THEIR problem for free! U never heard? - Mercedes has noticed a bug on a 10.000 vehicles and they calling all owners to contact the service.

Another one: Nokia has issues all times with their applications, and they constantly upgrading something...guess what, for free, because they care for customers even after ten years.

I suppose you have missed every single update the last year or so then? They tend to have bug fixes out about once a week. But maybe:
1) This is not even a bug and does not exist
2) IF it exits it might be HARD to fix. It is not just something you do by checking the code for 5 minutes.

yitjuan

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Join Date: Aug 2007

GMT +8

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Originally Posted by P I X E L View Post
If I have a 40 year old Mercedes (or w/e car), I pay for that car with my money. That is my car and I want full support from Mercedes service in anytime.

If I come to Mercedes and they tell me, sorry we cant fix your problem we have only 2 ppl in the world who working on repairing cars and you have same problem like 53792974 ppl, what should I do?!

IF YOU MAKE A PRODUCT THAT U CANT SERVICE AFTER 7 YEARS. CLOSE COMPANY NOW!
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecyc...=en-gb&c2=1173

That is Microsoft's support lifecycle for Windows XP, after 8th April 2014 IF you have a support problem with XP they won't fix it for you, WHAT THEY GONNA DO CLOSE COMPANY NOW ????

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

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Originally Posted by yitjuan View Post
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecyc...=en-gb&c2=1173

That is Microsoft's support lifecycle for Windows XP, after 8th April 2014 IF you have a support problem with XP they won't fix it for you, WHAT THEY GONNA DO CLOSE COMPANY NOW ????
Your example is not so good:

1) XP became available on 31/12/2001 and will end it's life on 08/04/2014 so he lived 12 years and you can bet there will be teams (not working for Microsoft) that will provide some sort of updates like it happened in Win98 case (so far Microsoft didn't started a law suit against the people that modified Win98 and I doubt they will do it in the future with a product that they don't sell or support at that moment)
2) Microsoft has 2 more OS available Vista and Win7 and they work on Win8 while in this game case we have GW (that is in a not so good state atm) and another game in beta GW2 (to be honest based on how they want to do the beta tests it can take 1 year to get it out of beta)

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

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Join Date: Mar 2008

Why are people still comparing decades old cars to ancient operative systems to this incident? Did you miss the bug fix?

GW is getting as much support as every old/discontinued product gets.

Sure, the fix came after a couple of days. That's pretty quick in my books. You can't expect istant fixes to bugs and design flaws in brand new products, nevermind an old one.

Breaking news: debuging and solution planning takes time.