Is it forbidden to buy "customized dupe" items?

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Dimmuborgir Satan
Dimmuborgir Satan
Wilds Pathfinder
#1
Hey... Im wondering, is it forbidden to buy some of those duped material/consumables/etc.?
Im a collector of nerfed items or bug items, and i'd basically want one of these because theyre kind of a piece of "bug history"
(I have a kind of museum^^)...
Are those duped material/items/etc. useable actually? or will merchants, weaponsmiths etc refuse if i want to use them if its not my name?

But if its forbidden i'd rather not look for some of these...
Dont want to be banned.
Mordiego
Mordiego
Furnace Stoker
#2
As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.
Vilaptca
Vilaptca
Pre-Searing Vanquisher
#3
I would try to avoid it. I feel like in the past we have seen people being accidentally banned for owning duped items. But I could be thinking of something else.
SonicDeluxe
SonicDeluxe
Frost Gate Guardian
#4
Trading with knowingly dupes items is a bannable offense, you are actively helping these people get plat/ectos so they can sell it after.

But I don't think you will be banned if you buy something like a customized sapphire, you will have to do it in stacks.
If you really buy something like that be sure to note the name of the player you bought it from so you can eventually report it to the support in case of a ban.
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Gabs88
Desert Nomad
#5
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Originally Posted by Dimmuborgir Satan View Post
But if its forbidden i'd rather not look for some of these...
Dont want to be banned.
If you buy high end miniatures or anything while knowing it's a duped item, you risk a ban. If you buy a cheap customized sapphire or similar, most likely not.

Will they be removed? I'd bet on it.
ACWhammy
ACWhammy
Wilds Pathfinder
#6
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Originally Posted by Mordiego View Post
As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.
I've been told otherwise. I wish they would release a statement and let us know.
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Lordkrall
Frost Gate Guardian
#7
Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.
drkn
drkn
Forge Runner
#8
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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.
I'm afraid that the real world is not the best comparison when it comes to duping stuff.

On topic, i wouldn't mind a collector of oddities if i was a developer, but you might expect those customised materials to be deleted without any notice.
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Lordkrall
Frost Gate Guardian
#9
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Originally Posted by drkn View Post
I'm afraid that the real world is not the best comparison when it comes to duping stuff.

On topic, i wouldn't mind a collector of oddities if i was a developer, but you might expect those customised materials to be deleted without any notice.
Duped stuff = gained from forbidden practices

Buying stuff you know are from forbidden practices = illegal.

Simple as that.
Swingline
Swingline
Forge Runner
#10
This should be a no brainer.
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Mortal Amongst Mere Gods
Krytan Explorer
#11
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Originally Posted by Mordiego View Post
As long as your IGN is not after "This Item is Custimized For..." I think you can feel free to buy them. aNet bans for duping (if so) not for owing duped items.
Afraid this is wrong. Several years ago when there was a huge scandal involving people duping mini Mallyxs, ANet banned dupers as well as people who owned a duped Mallyx. It may have been only those who knowingly bought a duped Mallyx, but this would still be OP's case. OP is looking to intentionally buy a duped item.

However, I highly doubt they're going to single you out for owning one customized gem or weapon. You can probably get away with it, considering how short ANet are on staff working on GW1. But as stated above, be prepared for it to disappear without a warning.
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Gabs88
Desert Nomad
#12
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Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods View Post
Afraid this is wrong. Several years ago when there was a huge scandal involving people duping mini Mallyxs, ANet banned dupers as well as people who owned a duped Mallyx. It may have been only those who knowingly bought a duped Mallyx, but this would still be OP's case. OP is looking to intentionally buy a duped item.

However, I highly doubt they're going to single you out for owning one customized gem or weapon. You can probably get away with it, considering how short ANet are on staff working on GW1. But as stated above, be prepared for it to disappear without a warning.
If they look at the trade and determine that you knew you were buying a duped item then you're definitely at risk. But it may just have been people getting reported as well though
ACWhammy
ACWhammy
Wilds Pathfinder
#13
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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Of course it is forbidden to knowingly buy duped items. Just like in the real world.
But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?
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Gabs88
Desert Nomad
#14
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Originally Posted by ACWhammy View Post
But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?
If you buy an unded Panda for 1k, you knew.

If you buy an unded Panda for ~500 Arms, normal price, you probably didn't know it was duped.

If you buy 250 sapphires for 1k each, you knew they were duped.

If you buy a sapphire for 7k, you probably didn't know.

More or less like this.
ACWhammy
ACWhammy
Wilds Pathfinder
#15
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Originally Posted by Gabs88 View Post
If you buy an unded Panda for 1k, you knew.

If you buy an unded Panda for ~500 Arms, normal price, you probably didn't know it was duped.

If you buy 250 sapphires for 1k each, you knew they were duped.

If you buy a sapphire for 7k, you probably didn't know.

More or less like this.
I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense.

So what price is the cutoff point for me knowing? Does anet just pick an arbitrary number and say "Ok if someone pays xx amount of money they know it was duped"

That's just ridiculous. I've bought plenty of minis for way under market value over the past 4 years and they were not duped. If they were, I had no way of knowing.
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Lordkrall
Frost Gate Guardian
#16
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Originally Posted by ACWhammy View Post
But how does anet determine if you knowingly or unknowingly bought a duped item?
Quite simply. If you, as is discussed in this thread, buy material that is Customized you have clearly bought duped items.

If you bought dedicated high-end minuatures the last few days it is quite likely that they were duped. And so on.

When loads of armbraces and minis were duped a few years ago, they banned loads of account that had massive amounts of armbraces and said minis.
ACWhammy
ACWhammy
Wilds Pathfinder
#17
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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
Quite simply. If you, as is discussed in this thread, buy material that is Customized you have clearly bought duped items.
This I understand.

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If you bought dedicated high-end minuatures the last few days it is quite likely that they were duped. And so on.

When loads of armbraces and minis were duped a few years ago, they banned loads of account that had massive amounts of armbraces and said minis.
This I don't. Whats considered high-end? Kanaxai, IG, Panda, Zhed? What about Ded Oni. is that considered high end? And what is the past couple days? From May 10th until now? May 9th, 8th?

My point is THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING. So people shouldn't be accused of buying duped items. If that's the case, Arenanet should just put a fereeze on all trading until the issue is resolved.
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Lordkrall
Frost Gate Guardian
#18
High-end as in an extremely limited amount of them in-game. The last couple of days would probably be considered since the reports of duped started to drop in. So around the time of the birthday celebrations end.

Of course there are no real ways of knowing (as far as we know, ArenaNet might be able to actually find specific dupes if they had the man-power). But buying a high-end mini at a time like this is idiotic.
They have not really been sold for a long time, and suddently Kamadan is full of them.

Buying one there and then claiming you had no clue about it might be duped is rather naive.
MithranArkanere
MithranArkanere
Underworld Spelunker
#19
It's all in the documents you have to read before you can start playing.

But worry not, you are not in risk for not reading them, just for not following what they say.
So it would be a good idea to read them anyways, they may have things you didn't know before.
Better safe than sorry, and reading more never hurts.
ACWhammy
ACWhammy
Wilds Pathfinder
#20
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Originally Posted by Lordkrall View Post
High-end as in an extremely limited amount of them in-game. The last couple of days would probably be considered since the reports of duped started to drop in. So around the time of the birthday celebrations end.
Again your answer is very ambigous. "extremely limited" and "last couple days."

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Of course there are no real ways of knowing
Thank you for admitting this.

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(as far as we know, ArenaNet might be able to actually find specific dupes if they had the man-power). But buying a high-end mini at a time like this is idiotic.
They have not really been sold for a long time, and suddently Kamadan is full of them.

Buying one there and then claiming you had no clue about it might be duped is rather naive.
Ok so basically I'm supposed to stop buying minis because risk of account ban? This makes absolutely no sense. Arenanet has not even officially confirmed duping whatsoever. Although I agree that there is a strong case for it based on in-game observations. I just don't feel anyone should be accountable for buying minis that are "extremely rare" for the "last couple days" unless we get an official statment

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
It's all in the documents you have to read before you can start playing.

But worry not, you are not in risk for not reading them, just for not following what they say.
So it would be a good idea to read them anyways, they may have things you didn't know before.
Better safe than sorry, and reading more never hurts.
I have read the EULA before on more than one occasion and I don't see anything that applies directly to this situation. I agree that Arenanet may ban you for participating in a game exploit.

However, if you read above, I'm debating on the fact that many people may have unknowingly bought duplicated items. If someone started duplicating items, lets say a month ago, then it's quite possible that the whole population of guild wars that has made any trades for a commonly traded item such as ectos, armbraces, zkeys, platinum, HoM items, can be infected. Not all of these items will say customized as there are other ways of obtaining these items through duplication (i.e, flames of balthazar for zkeys, strongboxes for cons and minis, etc.)