**UPDATED**(new phone camera pics inside)image burn-in effect after playing guildwars

EDIT: after this post, i moved the ingame compass a little over from where it originally was and thats when another faded whitle circle appeared on my desktop I AM NOT TROLLING GUYS LOOK AT THE PICTURES see for yourselves, i have marked the line of the faded circle with red arrows one pointing to it and one from the other side within the circle pointing back towards the outer arrow please take your time to look over these pictures and tell me how this can happen and please possibly how to fix it

hi guys,

so this has never happened before in all my years playing guildwars but recently i strted using a mod that changes the guildwars UI to look like that of the guildwars2 UI and thats when i got this problem of a faded white circle being constantly in the upper right of my screen(where the compass is in guildwars 1) im not saying it has anything to do with the compass or that the burn in occured from that but i seriously think it might be it, because since the mod i used to modify the UI the compass has a heavy black outer border and maybe this caused itself to burn onto my screen? im sorry if im not making any sense but i also am not quite sure how to describe this issue, but i've attached some screenshots in hopes that perhaps somebody knowledgeable enough could help me and i've highlighted in red the area where the burn in is both in guildwars and on my desktop for comparison
the first picture is the location of the compass which will be important to note in the following two pictures because thats where the burn in will be (in the same exact location as the compass)







thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer me

EDIT: after this post, i moved the ingame compass a little over from where it originally was and thats when another faded whitle circle appeared on my desktop I AM NOT TROLLING GUYS LOOK AT THE PICTURES see for yourselves, i have marked the line of the faded circle with red arrows one pointing to it and one from the other side within the circle pointing back towards the outer arrow please take your time to look over these pictures and tell me how this can happen and please possibly how to fix it

LMAO.

Maybe the image burned onto all of our screens too?

if you used the same mod that i use then possibly, yeah
=/ (which sucks tbh..)
if i had known this could happen i wouldnt have used this mod at all

I don't think a mod can make something specifically burn into your monitor...

keep in mind the mod is very texture heavy, so no not the mod itself but the textures and it also depends on my pc maybe theres an issue with my videocard but i dont know yet thats why i need some clarification it could basically be anything that caused this issue and not even the mod, but the point of me writing this thread was because i mostly suspect the mod to be the case

Im sorry, but I can not see a single burnt in pixel on your screenshots. A screenshot does not take pictures of what is actually displayed on your screen, it shows what is sent from the memory to the CPU, therefore it is not possible to show a problem with the monitor by using a screenshot.

Your best bet here is to actually make a photo of your screen showing multiple images showing the burnt in section on each one.

I cant imagine any modern TFT or LED screen being prone to burnt in images as they dont actually generate much heat. Are you using an old CRT or a plasma monitor by any chance?

its a Liquid Crystal Display monitor, yeah i thought about doing what you suggested but i didnt have much time when i was doing this so i made it this way, and besides having the red outline should be proof enough of my issue.. why would i lie about it? =/ and i dont really have a camera either, the one that comes with my phone is broken.. so i cannot get any help at all until i provide solid pictures that actually show the burned in effect?
i seriously hope not. as far as im concerned this isnt an uncommon issue.. it happens all the time so the pictures i provided should be enough.

Actually, no, they are not. You supplied pictures that show no burn in image at all, and look prestine. Burn in is caused by having a bright static image displayed in a single spot on a monitor for a log period of time. Do you leave your computer sitting on a single screen for several days at a time? That is useally what causes it.
As to help, there is nothing anyone can do for you. We cannot see your monitor unless we come over to your house or you post an actual photograph of it, and even if we could see it, there is nothing anyone can do. If your monitor is burned in, your only option is to purchase a new monitor or live with the burn in. If you want to test if it is the monitor, either plug the bad monitor in to a different computer and see if the image is still there, or plug a new monitor in to your computer and see if the image is still there.

understood, i have shown you and others a exact replica of the burn, in those images i posted nothing more and nothing less and my burn is not as you described it because its not a spot its actually like a circle whose center is hollow, pretty much it looks like the border of the compass in gw1 i used with the mod except its not black. Anyways thanks for trying to help me i shall take this issue elsewhere and hope for some help

Nope, I didnt write that you would get no help, but that you should post a real picture showing the mark which you mean. The problem is that the screenshots you posted in the OP are perfectly normal and no one can see any irregularity or burn marks on them (Its like you are trying to show people a dent in your car by posting a picture of a pristine new car with a circle photoshopped where you see the dent on your car).

As I wrote in my last post, I have never heard of a TFT display burning in before (maybe from one of the first generation display pannels, but no "modern" ones). This effect is mostly known with CRT Monitors (the old BIG boxes) or from old Plasma Displays.

The best thing you could try is to hook a different monitor to your PC and test that. If the new monitor has the same problem, then it is your PC/GPU. To countercheck this, you have to hook up your faulty monitor to a different PC. If it is clean, then its not a problem with your monitor.

alright, thanks i will check this and my monitor model is a Viewsonic VX2025wm i had it already since the year 2003 or so i dont remember anymore but yes it is very old but still works quite well. Thanks for your help i appreciate it

Personally, I can't see any 'burn-in' in any of the images (other than the first). So maybe it's a case of your eyes being 'burned-out'

In any case, burn-in is not something that ever happens to an LCD display.

Without going into details, burn-in used to happen to old CRT displays because the image was made by making a layer of phosphors on the inside of the screen, glow when an electron beam hits it. The whole screen would eventually fade out over time, but if a particular area had a static image for too long, that area could fade faster than the rest and result in a ghost image. The term burn-in, in this case, has no connection to heat, btw, but it is connected to the intensity of the image. That is, a bright white static image would burn-in fastest.
This effect can also happen to flat-screen plasma displays because they use the same sort of 'glowing' phosphors to make the image.

LCDs, however, don't have a layer of phosphors and there's nothing that 'wears' out over time. The backlight merely shines through the liquid crystal panel.

that smarty pants remark in yoru comment was a tad unnecessary dont you think? what did i do to you to hear such a thing? if you cant see anything then thats fine you dont need to go and insult me like that, and reading your explanation it makes sense so its a relief that its not a burn-in, despite your insult i thank you for your input.

I only see the circle on the first screenie

Basically it should be something with monitor. Why? Because you see it everywhere and we don't see it. Try to boot computer in safe mode and tell us what happens. Or if you could, boot linux [ubuntu for example] from cd/pendrive [you don't need to install it, just boot and see if this 'circle' remains]

In the old crt monitor days you could always spot a second monitor that was on the way out - because you can see letters and words that have been burned on.As others have said its usually due to an image/text/we being left on the screen with no movement - eg if you had old monitor and had it only on dos mode ( yea i know old OS ) and you typed say BURN ME !!! and left it on for err probably a few weeks you would eventually have those letters burned.
Gw i would guess doesnt have any static screens - even in gw flames can flicker and even npcs will move out of boredom so i doubt a burnout can be caused.
Wasnt the purpose of screensavers to save your screen by switching the signal off after xx mins.

in my particular case its the compass that is static, not the interior of it but the border aka the frame its thick and black and its a huge texture i can imagine that this alone could leave a burn in effect on my monitor as shown on the pictures(the burn effect is not actually there because when i take a screenshot it doesnt show up but its actually constantly there even when im not in guildwars) i rarely use a screensaver, let alone while im playing guildwars and the burn in effect happened right after i quit guildwars(i had been playing it/being afk on it for about 20 hours) so the burn in coming from guildwars seems pretty plausible to me, correct me though if im wrong i dont know much about this.

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alright i'll try that

What insult? Quaker was being polite and to the point in the whole post. If you think that part about your eyes having a burn out, it is always possible in the sence that you see an after image of something very bright or dark on the same spot all the time. Usually you see a luminescent negative image for a while before it dissapears.

LOL! Could you explain what part you thought was "smarty pants", cause I don't quite know where it was. The only thing I can possibly think of was the "your eyes burned out" part, but, seriously, you couldn't tell that that was a "funny", even with the smiley face afterwards?

So please explain what was insulting, if it wasn't that. If it was that, well, all I can say, without actually being insulting, is lighten the frig up!

if it were a funny of course i could tell, i have humor mind you, its just the way you worded it i didnt know how to take it. Anyhow i misunderstood the meaning of "your eyes burned out" my apologies i thought you were insulting me, also adding a smiley made it look stuck up and such so yes i took it the wrong way.
my humor might differ from yours also i come from an asian culture and so i didnt know what to think actually to be honest when i saw "your eyes burned out" and since it sounds negative i took it in a negative way^^ asians dont have the same sense of humor as others, well lets just say everybody has their own sense of humor, but now back on topic i tried booting into safemode and oddly it wasnt there but right now its there.. weird

@Quaker, it could have been an insult depending on how you take it, but yes i know what you mean now and what he meant.

i updated my post guys please take a look, i would appreciate it.

thankyou

Your problem might have something to do with this.

Agree with MisterB

here are some common suggestions for correcting image persistence:

Turn off the monitor for extended periods of time. It can be as little as several hours or it could be as long as several days.

Use a screen saver with a rotating image and run it for extended periods of time. The rotating color palette should help remove the persistent image but it could take a long time.

Run the screen with a single solid color or bright white for an extended period of time. This will cause all of the crystals to be reset at a single color setting and should erase any previous image persistence.

It's snow, obviously. Show us a picture that isn't of your desktop and still has the problem.

ok let me rephrase - guildwars as far as i know have NO STATIC images and thats because
1. All npc in outpost or in gh always do actions after a while , even seen a few look around then sort of kick the dirt in a bored way.
2. You get chat messages all the time unless no1 is one if your guild/alliance
3. Consider that any movement in sight of npc w/e means screens refreshed ( only word i can think of ) and a refreshed screen thats done constantly cant burn.

A burn is created by having a static image that does not move - and im meaning the whole screen.If you stood in gh for 20 hrs a burnout would be impossible due to *1 and *2.
How do you think players who go on 9 rings afk for days when events are on and i doubt most of them are watching the screen all that time but most would keep an eye on gw incase of disconnect.
Im going to take a big shot in the dark here and i can see you also use texmod - we all know ( those who use textmod quite a bit ) that it can cause grafics annomolies and im assuming you only have this problem after running gw and texmod.
Try the following , clean boot and entry into safemode - is it there ?
Then clean boot and go into windows - is it there ?
Then remove background image and cleanboot and windows - is the problem still showing there.

Regarding the new pics - i still cant see what the problem is.

The interface of Guild Wars does in fact have static images. In this case, there is a faint halo visible on the new desktop images that are posted from the camera. The image artifact appears to be the same shape and size as the compass ring, although the color has shifted. Images can persist in LCD and plasma displays. Plasmas and CRTs can suffer from burn in.

Maybe next time, if you don't understand, you could ask before getting insulted.

Hello I have an Asus laptop with windows 7 and with a glossy LCD screen. It has had some weird screen issues as well. I don't normally play on my laptop because it gets pretty hot after just an hour of play and it's just better on my desktop. When I do log in for a while it sometimes shows the skill bar burnt into my task bar .

All I usually have to do is unlock the tool bar then lock it back and it goes away. I don't know if this is really " burn in " or just some weird crap my laptop does. Also every time I load Guild Wars to log in my windows media center thing pops up. ugh so annoying!

I hope you get your problem fixed cause it can be very annoying and distracting to say the least. Best of Luck!

Alo0p, check out this thread, might help you with your problem.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...t10160090.html

thanks Mister B and Tom Swift i will try those things that you mentioned

@Quaker, do you think i was asking or wanting to get insulted? the whole point of this thread was to understand my issue and understand and also ask about the problem that i had, now i would appreciate if you didnt reply in this thread anymore unless you have something important to contribute to my issue, thankyou

@Kalian, it is a snowy terrain and thats the background image itself and has nothing to do with the burn/image persistance, as i said to spiritz please look closer.

Alio0p, thankyou i hope your problem gets fixed too

@Spiritz, mister B has explained to you about what you wrote, and as for still not seeing it i would like you to strain your eyes a bit because i did put alot of effort with those red arrows to point it out and if that still doesnt help you then i urge you to LOOK more carefully.. it is there

@ Mister B and Tom Swift ,for now i am following the advice of this website to help me eliminate my image persistance,
http://lifehacker.com/146469/remove-lcd-image-burn+in

i will update this thread to let you know if it worked or not.

Oh wow thank you so much! I had tried removing -mce thing and it worked for a while but then it started back up. So I am now using the original icon in the GWs folder and it's working great so far. Thanks again!


xXyunaXx I hope you get yours fixed as well

i used the methods in that link i wrote in my previous post and it worked good so far.

Here's an idea; set your screensaver to startup after a minute of inactivity. Problem solved/averted.

You can rest assured that I won't be contributing anything helpful to you, even if I had something useful.

One thing you may try to prevent the problem in the first place is replacing the compass ring texture. I'm puzzled why a solid black ring would cause this, but perhaps another color texture could prevent or at least prolong the time before the image becomes persistent. The compass ring I use has a semi-transparent layer; transparency would cause constant change of the image. Replacing a single texture in a mod is pretty simple with a .tpf unpacker and a text editor. (How to)That will not prevent the problem if just playing for a few hours causes image persistence. Besides, you can also just turn off the monitor if you are afk. A screen saver may remove the image persistence after the fact if it runs long enough in the affected area.

then i wonder why you even bothered to write here ^^ and it further proves my point that you have nothing useful to say, its up to you man i dont care either way what you choose to do. I've already found my solution.

Alright MisterB i'll try that, thanks for the tip

After using my LCD monitor for 2 years , i have a similar problem now. Of course it's not software related. That wiki link is interesting, thanks MisterB.

If that was true, you'd stop replying to me.

P.s. - I've been on here for the past 7 years, helping people with their computer related problems. Sometimes, even I wonder why I bother.

P.P.s - If you still haven't found an answer, I suggest you try posting in the Guru2 tech forums. This forum is relatively dead, plus there is, of course, more people familiar with GW2 over there.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...nical-support/

xXyunaXx, if you want help you're going to have to be nicer than you are now. Being disrespectful to those who are helping you isn't the best way to get help. If someone is misbehaving then use the Report button and ignore them, don't add fuel to the fire.

As others have said, screen burn-in occurs most often on old CRT monitors. It's extremely rare (as in, next to never) occurring on LCD.

Screenshots don't capture burn-in. Looking at the camera phone pics you can barely see the compass outline. Others have said to use a different background as this may make it more obvious. You may need to contact the screen manufacturer's support team. Also check to see if there's any sort of method to reset your monitor to stock settings. You may also want to try turning the monitor off for a day or two to see if it fades.

Also, it's not because of the texture mod.