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Shalazar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2012

12 Jul 2012 at 22:19 - 1

Bug Fixes

Fixed a bug that prevented the 2012 Automated Tournament Series Trophy in the Great Temple of Balthazar from being updated.
Fixed a bug that prevented the damage dealt by Shadowsong from being displayed in the skill tooltip.

Feature Update

The functionality of Scroll of Resurrection has been changed to: "Double-click to resurrect all dead party members within earshot at 25% Health and Energy. This item cannot be used in PvP."
Guilds with a rating below 950 may earn the following GvG rewards once per day: Balthazar Faction points, Zaishen Strongboxes, and Zaishen Challenge Quest rewards.
The guild ladder has been reset.

The removal of teleport from res scrolls I assume is to try to fix the res scroll glitching that high end guilds abused? I wonder what other effects this will have.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

12 Jul 2012 at 22:22 - 2

I'm surprised they even bothered fixing box syncing at this point.

Shalazar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2012

12 Jul 2012 at 22:29 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

I'm surprised they even bothered fixing box syncing at this point.

box syncing? What does that mean?

Zaph

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

UTC+1

--- ???oo ???ugs ???lan --- [?????????]

Mo/

12 Jul 2012 at 22:58 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

I'm surprised they even bothered fixing box syncing at this point.

Faith in GW1 after the release of GW2 - restored!

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

12 Jul 2012 at 23:54 - 5

The new res scrolls aren't so bad looking. At least one fireball won't wipe a newly resurrected party anymore, and Livia and Razah will have enough energy to use PwK upon resurrecting.

It's good to see that they're addressing the syncing problem but they could always terminate the abusers' accounts. Is that too much like bad business when you've got a new game to sell?

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Err7

Me/

13 Jul 2012 at 00:26 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

It's good to see that they're addressing the syncing problem but they could always terminate the abusers' accounts.

A bunch of people syncing for champ boxes got banned a couple weeks ago.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

13 Jul 2012 at 00:26 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

The new res scrolls aren't so bad looking. At least one fireball won't wipe a newly resurrected party anymore, and Livia and Razah will have enough energy to use PwK upon resurrecting.

Energy gain when resurrected, but no more teleport to user's location? Not sure if that's a good trade off or not...

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Guilds with a rating below 950 may earn the following GvG rewards once per day: Balthazar Faction points, Zaishen Strongboxes, and Zaishen Challenge Quest rewards.

How many battles does it take to go from 1000 to 950?

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

13 Jul 2012 at 00:36 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shalazar

Feature Update

Guilds with a rating below 950 may earn the following GvG rewards once per day: Balthazar Faction points, Zaishen Strongboxes, and Zaishen Challenge Quest rewards.

What exactly does this mean to a low ranking guild? And where did it say anything about fixing syncing?

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

13 Jul 2012 at 00:58 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quantum Duck

A bunch of people syncing for champ boxes got banned a couple weeks ago.

Only took Anet thirteen months.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

How many battles does it take to go from 1000 to 950?

About five.

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Originally Posted by Markaedw

What exactly does this mean to a low ranking guild? And where did it say anything about fixing syncing?

If you're legitimately below that rating and enjoy GvGing, nothing.

The fix is quite explicitly targeted at individuals/organizations syncing those <500 rating guilds you see on observer mode once in a while.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

13 Jul 2012 at 01:15 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Only took Anet thirteen months.

If it hits an account that a user was planning on using in GW2, it still hurts badly.

I'm curious how res scrolls were getting abused to warrant the change.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

13 Jul 2012 at 01:31 - 11

I somehow doubt that they're dumb enough to use real accounts.

Nakednfamous

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2012

Hookah Cafe [hC]

R/A

13 Jul 2012 at 01:41 - 12

the res scrolls will really affect me and my buddy seein as we were aimin for a duo record this weekend so tactics are completely different now

Shalazar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2012

13 Jul 2012 at 05:17 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

I'm curious how res scrolls were getting abused to warrant the change.

I don't know how myself but from what I understand people could use res scrolls to tele to the other side of many closed doors, letting people get speed clear times as low as 2 minutes for some dungeons.

Nakednfamous

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2012

Hookah Cafe [hC]

R/A

13 Jul 2012 at 06:39 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shalazar

I don't know how myself but from what I understand people could use res scrolls to tele to the other side of many closed doors, letting people get speed clear times as low as 2 minutes for some dungeons.

That's correct slavers you could jump walls and skip several minutes now we will have to retrace many unneeded steps guess this calls for new build records

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 08:48 - 15

Unneeded?
Just because you abused the system doesn't mean said steps are unneeded. People playing the game as intended won't be effected by this at all. Only those wanting to cheat the system will

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Jul 2012 at 09:15 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

I'm curious how res scrolls were getting abused to warrant the change.

I didn't know about Slavers' Exile but I knew that careful use of res scrolls could teleport players through the walls that separate DoA sections. For example, if the team chose to begin in City, they could move a few people through the 'wall' in to the back of Foundry. This means you could split up, skip a lot of mobs and finish in record time.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

13 Jul 2012 at 10:49 - 17

I didn't know about abuses, if so I'm happy they changed the scrolls functionality. After all, the range is so small that teleport was never really much useful in normal play, and the energy bonus is always useful.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Jul 2012 at 10:58 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

I didn't know about abuses, if so I'm happy they changed the scrolls functionality. After all, the range is so small that teleport was never really much useful in normal play, and the energy bonus is always useful.

I prefer the energy to the teleport as well. Unlike Rebirth, allies resurrected by these scrolls do (well, did) aggro mobs in their aggro bubble and, like I mentioned before, one AoE skill can wipe out your newly balled party with 25% health and DP. At least they'll be spread out now.

drowze

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

SaGa

N/

13 Jul 2012 at 11:40 - 19

Find the rez scroll update kind of annoying though... I guess we'll have to be more careful now where we die, if we decide to duo farm somewhere.
Now if they could please remove the skill recharge functionality from essence of celerity... it's being abused the most and won't affect normal play (give it a pip of energy regen or something instead).

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 12:52 - 20

I'm not terribly happy with the Rez scroll change. 25% energy is not a good tradeoff for, in essence rebirth. I can understand wanting it changed, but surely this hurts more than helps.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 12:58 - 21

It only hurts those who seeks to bypass parts of the game. Not the people playing the game as intended

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

Rt/

13 Jul 2012 at 13:34 - 22

no teleport anymore? man, thats bad for pve imo
although wiki says "Prior to the July 12, 2012 update, the affected party members were also teleported to the user but with zero energy."

those scrolls arent even used by anyone i know/knew in GW in pve... dunno about pvp

i actually was thinking about it should give the affected ones to get 15% energy at least

i hope the teleport still works, cuz i like to use these in pve... at least for some parts in the game, and chars based on having no res skills (no pvx or overpowered stuff) but still having a way to res my heroes

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

Me/

13 Jul 2012 at 13:44 - 23

Quote:

those scrolls arent even used by anyone i know/knew in GW in pve... dunno about pvp

oO you've beaten even yourself now.

Better late than never. Now they should also fix all kinds of exploiting via teleports and shadow steps.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

Rt/

13 Jul 2012 at 13:54 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

oO you've beaten even yourself now.

Better late than never. Now they should also fix all kinds of exploiting via teleports and shadow steps.

beaten myself? explain when replying

and some "exploits" should stay, like dunes of despair, and the other exploring ones arent bad to keep in GW

tenderpoison

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2010

Omnipresent

A/

13 Jul 2012 at 14:12 - 25

"those scrolls arent even used by anyone i know/knew in GW in pve... dunno about pvp"

wiki :

Scroll of Resurrection

Uses remaining: 1
Double-click to resurrect all dead party members within earshot at 25% Health and Energy. This item cannot be used in PvP.

The update page :

* The functionality of Scroll of Resurrection has been changed to: "Double-click to resurrect all dead party members within earshot at 25% Health and Energy. This item cannot be used in PvP."

...
what drkn said needs no explaining.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 14:19 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

beaten myself? explain when replying

and some "exploits" should stay, like dunes of despair, and the other exploring ones arent bad to keep in GW

Of course they are bad. It is very possible to beat it without using them. But ArenaNet knows the extreme outrage from the vocal minority that would come if they decided to fix them.

Torabo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/

13 Jul 2012 at 15:50 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Of course they are bad. It is very possible to beat it without using them. But ArenaNet knows the extreme outrage from the vocal minority that would come if they decided to fix them.

More like if they fix them cartography becomes nigh-impossible in prophecies as there's quite a few areas that are impossible to reach normally, or requires replaying of missions over and over again due to time/npc-death constraints....

They'd have to fix cartography to normally-reachable areas only first if they're going to touch any of the cartography-related "exploits"... and knowing them this'll never happen

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

13 Jul 2012 at 16:30 - 28

The GvG update isn't good. Basically, it's what i said a few time ago about how to poorly update things..

That way of fixing is clearly going to make players stop ( since you would need to create a new guild) thus :
- there will be even less opponents( yes, because probably 40% of those players were still usually playing to farm the reward)
- fair players under 950 won't get any reward after a match
- codex says hi

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

Rt/

13 Jul 2012 at 17:13 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenderpoison

"those scrolls arent even used by anyone i know/knew in GW in pve... dunno about pvp"

wiki :

Scroll of Resurrection

Uses remaining: 1
Double-click to resurrect all dead party members within earshot at 25% Health and Energy. This item cannot be used in PvP.

The update page :

* The functionality of Scroll of Resurrection has been changed to: "Double-click to resurrect all dead party members within earshot at 25% Health and Energy. This item cannot be used in PvP."

...
what drkn said needs no explaining.

do i even have to explain i meant BEFORE this change? i thought people would understand

MrNewYorkRunner

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2011

United States of America

[boo] [KvZ]

D/A

13 Jul 2012 at 18:07 - 30

Lol SC people still use res scrolls? That trick is so old, it's easier to get into a door easier than a silly scroll.

Shalazar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2012

13 Jul 2012 at 18:22 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrNewYorkRunner

Lol SC people still use res scrolls? That trick is so old, it's easier to get into a door easier than a silly scroll.

How?

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lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

13 Jul 2012 at 18:37 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

The GvG update isn't good. Basically, it's what i said a few time ago about how to poorly update things..

That way of fixing is clearly going to make players stop ( since you would need to create a new guild) thus :
- there will be even less opponents( yes, because probably 40% of those players were still usually playing to farm the reward)
- fair players under 950 won't get any reward after a match

>implying those people exist and really care that much about getting a couple of boxes

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

13 Jul 2012 at 21:18 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andemius

in essence rebirth.

Not really. Rebirth teleports a long distance, so allows you not to get near and get party members out of aggro. Earshot is so pityful that you'll likely resurrect them in aggro range anyway, or at least get yourself in risk while ressing. I hardly ever considered the telport of those scrolls a real teleport. Being able to resurrect your whole team with a bit of energy instead can help...imho.

Lordkrall

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 21:27 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torabo

More like if they fix them cartography becomes nigh-impossible in prophecies as there's quite a few areas that are impossible to reach normally, or requires replaying of missions over and over again due to time/npc-death constraints....

They'd have to fix cartography to normally-reachable areas only first if they're going to touch any of the cartography-related "exploits"... and knowing them this'll never happen

Thing is however, I have done Cartographer on several characters, each time without ever using these kind if exploits, so it is very possible.

People are just too lazy and want everything served instead of actually working for it.

Relyk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

W/

13 Jul 2012 at 23:20 - 35

Anet required the use of teleporting in Urgoz. They won't bother changing an intentional exploit. Cartographer on dunes of despair without the teleport exploit would be pretty damn tedious lol. The teleport exploit was probably only deemed a problem on speedclears because it's not viable with just using necrotic traversal/consume corpse.

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

W/

14 Jul 2012 at 00:59 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Not really. Rebirth teleports a long distance, so allows you not to get near and get party members out of aggro. Earshot is so pityful that you'll likely resurrect them in aggro range anyway, or at least get yourself in risk while ressing. I hardly ever considered the telport of those scrolls a real teleport. Being able to resurrect your whole team with a bit of energy instead can help...imho.

Rebirth is the most apt comparison to a skill. earshot is very nearly the same radius, and often you don't need the entirety of the range.

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It only hurts those who seeks to bypass parts of the game. Not the people playing the game as intended

As for this, how does not needing to carry a rez bypass the game? The only people who abused scrolls were high end sc people. day to day Pugs never did it.

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

14 Jul 2012 at 01:11 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andemius

As for this, how does not needing to carry a rez bypass the game?

Scroll of Ressurection no longer ressurects.
Oh wait

They used to res then teleport, meaning any aggro was triggered. A typical pug will still find themselves in the same situation as before.

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

W/

14 Jul 2012 at 02:27 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded

Scroll of Ressurection no longer ressurects.
Oh wait

They used to res then teleport, meaning any aggro was triggered. A typical pug will still find themselves in the same situation as before.

I don't mean using them in a Pug, unless it's UW/FoW or somewhere. If I'm going with heroes it's nice to be able to rez out people myself in the event that something goes catastrophically wrong.

Now say some people/heroes die in the middle of a mob and someone manages to break away without dying, rezing the team at 25% hp/energy in the middle of a horde of foes is far from useful.

Firbidden

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2011

E/

14 Jul 2012 at 02:52 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordkrall

Unneeded?
Just because you abused the system doesn't mean said steps are unneeded. People playing the game as intended won't be effected by this at all. Only those wanting to cheat the system will

Actually i speed clear and play the game as directed,but what happens when a terra dies in underworld and you need him to be rezed right under you? say in lab when the LT dies? the teleport is crucial to him living?? So actually you are wrong on that part.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

14 Jul 2012 at 05:22 - 40

Oh. Nice. One less tool for these lazy SC skippers.

That one was rare, but still happened.

If you want to SC, fine, but at least kill the stuff in your way instead skipping. B fast, but be fast killing, instead having some guy running ahead and then teleport people from behind a wall.