Gold Sellers and HoM

Has anyone seen gold traders becoming more apparent in the local guild wars community? Even in EOTN american districts, and of course in the international districts of the Great Temple of Balthazar. I am just question why anet isnt cracking down on these gold sellers, especially since more (new) players are buying ingame gold for their HoM.

I understand the motivation of players doing this, as the GW2 approaches and the time span decreases. But dont they understand they're ruining the guild wars economy, as well as undermining legitimate players accomplishments of titles, pvp, and in general pve progresstion? I am just wondering if anyone has seen similar observations, or anecdotal evidence of (new) players now in LA, missions and general guild wars pve.

For instance, I saw a few players getting GWAMM and 50/50 in a few months, or players getting 30/50 from scratch in a week! I find this absoluetly amazing.

Still, that is possible, if playing about 4...6 hours per day and with the help of other players.

Seems gold sellers are even becoming so bold they don't even change district as quickly as before, apparently no real concern of getting a /report

Just reported a spamming m**e f*****y dot com gold seller. While he did jump districts but was always back within 30-60 seconds again so it was really easy to report him. In old days, gold spammers was much more slippery and harder to catch with a /report.

If Anet only would have added the chance to report bots 30-60 seconds even after they left a district.. but in 7 years they haven't really bothered with such thing either.

anet isn't, and hasn't been concerned with GW1 for a contextually longtime, GWs is lurching, needs mobility aids and it's only going to get worse, as for players buying gold, GW and GW2's population is a microcosm of humanity, so, some buy because they're venal, some buy cause their ability to think doesn't go as far as causality, and some think it's a harmless crime. the cheats certainly don't care about other people's achievements being earned

i guess my area of interest is pvp, and the amount of cheats, bot runners, syncers and manipulators there (once there) is rather high, still only a small percentage but enough make the game less fun, cheats in pvp are mostly from people who should know better, however, human nature/learned behavior...

screen their chat post, email it to support entitled gold seller, anet deal with that type of report, it effects their revenue

I think your wrong here for two reasons.
First of all. Arenanet is the designer of the game en the ones adding new content. It is true that that is totally focussed on gw2 at the moment. They are not repsonsible for support and therefor for catching goldseller. Thats NCsoft. The support department didn't had to do much with GW2 so far (beside answering questions bout purchase problems and login problems during stresstests/bwe's

Catching gold sellers is very difficult and nearly impossible. The reason is that the spammers in districts are almost always hacked accounts of past customers. The only solution there is is to spread the word as much as possible to never use such a services. Beside the OP's remark bout ruining the economics of the game, you are taking the risk that the gold seller will hack your account (they know what you have, cause they sold it to you). When this happens, even when ncsoft gets in to get the account back, they prolly investigate further and you loose you account anyway. Or the hackers leave you alone, but there selling accounts are marked and ncsoft finds out and you loose your account anyway.

Bottom line, if you are looking for funding e.g. your HoM to get those last minute points, then don't use gold seller services. You risk more then only your money, but also all prgress in the HoM you had so far and possibly your GW1 AND your GW2 account.

Gold sellers aren't looking for happy customers. They are criminals in a very sophisticated criminal organisation that don't want anything else then your money, they are not interested in you.

GTOB has seen an influx of gold sellers. As another user already posted, they've gotten so bold as to keep on advertising without changing districts.

Err stating players have got 50/50 or even 30/50 in a few months - means jack.
most of the titles are account wide , lux/kurz title i believe somewhere on here it was stated if you did speedclears you could get the title in a few days.
Heck if i was hardcore farmer - i could easily farm/make consets to sell - at least a few hundred a week.How hard is it to complete the campaigns ? how hard is it to vq all the maps ? How hard is it to get survivor ? - must be one of the hardest ( sarcasm )
Ive a guildie who has got 30/50 on both his accounts and he did it running both accounts same time.
So most of those players you think have "cheated" most probably have not and have worked on their titles.

Getting 30/50 on two accounts at the same time isn't as hard as you make it sound for an anecdote ^^. anet has done a fantastic job of making 30/50 or 50/50 easier to get since it's introduction. Also, if sellers expect players to not buy gold after GW2 comes out, there is no risk for them to advertise blatantly.

Lol, another 'omg, them nasty gold sellers' threads. The thing that a lot of people seem to miss is that a lot, and I mean, a lot of rich people in the game that got all their money legit sold a lot or even all of their money as well. I know plenty. I know an incredible amount is coming from bots and whatever the glitch was that they used a while ago to 'create' new stuff out of thin air (no idea how that ended, if it ended at all), but quite a substantial amount of the gold sold on sites, especially in the course of 2011 was coming from rich SC'ers/powertraders/PvP'ers that simply made so much money they didn't know what they could buy anymore, or wanted to quit and make some cash.

Stop hating so much, it's really not all bad guys. Yes, there's a lot of bad guys around, but a quite significant proportion of them are normal players. And saying all gold sellers are scammers and hackers is even more stupid, and only shows how much you fail in the game to not be able to realize how easy it is/was to acquire significant amounts of cash to sell on the internet.

Also, who gives a shit? 'oh noes, that guy over there used his real life money to easily achieve 50/50, a completely arbitrary achievement that means absolutely nothing'... A lot of the people that do so are casual players that wanted to go over to GW2, but due to real life/work/relationships could not play as many hours that other players could. They used the resources that they made in the time they couldn't play (actually, a lot less, last I knew a stack of ecto was about €14/$20, and the time to make that money compared to the time to make a stack of ecto is significantly less) to buy the stuff that people made actually playing the game. If you call that unfair, you have a weird definition of fairness. Just because Anet/NCSoft forbids it doesn't mean it's necessarily 'bad'. It's basically paying someone to acquire you resources. That is kind of what money is meant to be used for. So I don't see how it's unfair.

/rant

I noticed it too, but it means nothing to me. I earned all my points without outside help. If people want to risk their accounts and HOM rewards in GW2, let them learn the hard way.

you're an apologist for botters, scammers and cheats, odd that, very few people do that, and i know, and have known more than enough guys with birds that have sold their accounts, even they don't try and justify it like you have. gold selling is against the EULA, therefore cheating, end of

I actually said people with 50/50 and GWAMM in a few months, and 30/50 in a week. Also most titles are character based.

A lot of new players in my guild are having a hard time with the missions in Night Fall, Tyria and Factions, simple because of the large learning curve and unaccessability to skills. If you have done vanquishing and exploration, it actually takes a long time to do, especially in Tyria (prophecies). But most people whom have cheated, not do have titles in their HoM. They usually have all of the armours, weapons, minipets, but do not have titles.

The gold, materials and items ingame is owned by Anet and is not the property of gold sellers to trade or sell for world currencies. It is against their EULA, and Anet has a policy which they avertised against this behaviour.

someone can popup almost over night with 30/50 or 50/50 for at least 2 other reasons that are 100% legit:
- he did several of the things needed for hom but chosed not to display them so that person can get from 3/50 to 50/50 in ~5 minutes just by displaying all of his achivements
- if it's not his first account then his main can sponsor his new account and get easy to 30/50 or even more (i know i got extremely fast my 3th account to 35/50 by sponsoring it with the things i had on main, anyway were useless on main and just using storage and chars inventory) (my mesmer is the best char on this 3th account, rest can play 1-3 builds nothing more, i admit builds are op XD, and also there are only 2 lvl 20 pve chars that i played and 3 pvp only chars)

Lol, you're accusing me of botting now? I never botted, scammed or cheated another person in my entire life, nor on any online community. They're pixels. I've been scammed many times because I took too much trust in people, and because I believe too much in human kindness. I also never cared. When someone scammed me out of 100e, I went on with the game and never gave it a second thought, because the pixels in this game mean very little to me. Just because I justify selling your self-earned money in this game doesn't mean I'm a god damn botter. It just means I used to have a lot of money in this game.

They're not pixels lol, it's data off a server.

who wants to buy some zkeys

Bright Star Shine does have a point. Alot of (legit) players made money of Guild Wars and you woudn't necessarily label them "evil" if you met them.

I persononally met a guy who made over 10,000 dollars (way more probably, it's 10,000 that I'm aware of) selling Guild Wars stuff. He wasn't a hacker, or a gold farmer, just a regular player who happened to be a the right place at the right time (Under this category I include both powertraders aswell as people who managed to get a large amount of wealth from exploits and avoided the banhammer) and understands the value of real life money outweighs the value of in-game morals.

It's against the rules, but why are people surprised at normal players making money off selling in-game stuff? If people are willing to buy it for a suitable amount of £$€, then people will sell it.

However, those arguing that it's all 100% above board and legit are pretty retarded and should just stop posting - stop making yourselves look like utter mongs, because by definition, it isn't. I've sold in-game items & gold myself in other games numerous times, as well as help farm fame on accounts that eventually got sold off as r3/6 accounts, but I was and still am fully aware of the fact that it was 'wrong'.

Actually this morning Dhuum showed in EoTN and got one lol around 8ish PST. It happen so fast i forgot to take a picture damn it lol. Doesn't really matter to me EULA, game mortal, unfairness..what not. Only thing I'm not agree with is hacking people account. That a all time low and even worst to use for spamming in game. As for other ie if you got scam deal with it learn and move on, shit happen.

What Bright Star Shine say is true about game cash to real money. No one can ignore it, in regard good or bad that up to personal opinion. Underline true is a BIG market so big that even Anet itself can ignore it why you think there CS in GW2.

At the end of the day I play my game you play your game no harm done. If someone work 18hr days and come home to relax and play a little game with purchase gold, or some kid at home play 18hr gw and go off to sell good that their issue. As long as they find it fun more power to them. Who am I or another even Anet to tell them that not how you have fun in the game. (will actually all Anet can do is ban them but if it's fun or good enough for them they will come back.)

Buying ingame money is against the Arena Net's EULA. No "personal" opinion can change this, and no legal company would ever have sell items which they dont legally own.

Do you, or even Bright Star Shine support botting, scamming or players buying ingame money?

He never said that a personal opinion can change that, he said a personal opinion can be used to determine if you consider it 'bad' or not. Buying and smoking marijuana is against the law in most countries, yet a lot of people don't think it's 'bad'. It's not because something is against some rules it's necessarily 'bad'.

No

No

Yes. Because of the reasons I summed up earlier. Buying someone's (legitly earned) in-game stuff is like using money to buy a bread. You need a bread, but don't have the time or the resources to make one yourself, but some dude has had the time to do so, so you use your money to buy it off him.

Of course you can't know if the money you buy came from botters or someone that actually played the game to earn it, but I still support the cause.

Diablo III....

perhaps go and find out what apologist means, then re-read this "you're an apologist for botters, scammers and cheats"

another word you might want to learn whilst you're at it is defamation, then when you know what that means, you might well realise that i did not accuse you of anything apart from being an apologist yadda yadda yadda

EVERYBODY that I know of, that doesn't give a sh!t about Guild Wars, and is/was getting 30 points til today, and til 28th, have bought gold, ecto's, whatever. Seriously, every damn one. And I could link to pages where people who are playing GW2 are discussing pages of how to get the point where numerous of people are linking to pages that we see in game.

I'm assuming this is the reason the current ecto market has suddenly crashed, ecto is becoming worthless, people realize they don't need it, they need zkeys.

Did smoking weed really just get compared to RMT? What a fail thread.

Ecto is worthless because people who are still trying to play the game need gold, and generally the best way to get gold is trading x amount of ecto for 100k. Since there is an excessive supply of ecto, but limited demand for it, people go for the next best alternative. Selling ecto to the trader, so that they can get gold.

Not a difficult concept, even if perhaps there is some influence from other factors such as gold buyers. Ecto as a form of currency has depreciated, and people are resorting to simply 'dumping' it. As for this entire Gold buying/selling argument: Breaking EULA =/= Bad.

Check what I wrote, and quoted from, and then see below.

But it doesn't apply. The gold sellers are a service industry, as you put it. Except the items which the service it is providing, isn't owned by the gold sellers or the players. Check the Arenanet EULA.

This would be relevant if a person selling their in game gold currency for RL currency would be damaging Anet by selling their ecto/Zkeys/arms, which they're not. Someone who sells their ecto doesn't remove said ecto from the game, or does anything with it that is to any harm of Anet. The ecto still goes around, their game was not in any way infringed, nor did they lose money/resources by the sale. It is true that I don't own the ecto I have in the game, but does that mean I have to care whether or not Anet approves of me hypothetically selling it (which I never said I ever did, I'm just justifying it)? Nope, I absolutely don't. To put it in one of my most favorite sentences from the english language: you cannot begin to fathom the immensity of the f*ck that I do not give.


May I refer you to your original post, and this time, note the highlighted part:

If that isn't a backhand accusation, the pope is a Jew. Next time you want to talk condescending to someone (I know damn well what an apologist is) and tell them to reread something, how about you actually try to read what you said yourself? Might spare you some internet arguments.

Maybe it's time for a mod to close this topic,
I don't see anything productive coming out of this thread.

Wouldnt it be funny if we found out that the reason Anet didnt bust so my bots as they could have or gold sellers, is if thats their second job of income lol, They, Anet said they (Anet) can take from out of your account but cant put back something ( that was stolen) fishy there.

While they most certainly have ran bots in testing for banning purposes I think only the outskirts of the employees if any actively botted. They didn't really need for earning extra cash on the side they new what changes were coming to skills and the market through early knowledge of updates. Case and Point White Wasabi I need not say more.