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MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

06 Jan 2013 at 08:29 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Freebies

Technically-not true. Anet make money from selling the game. If people buy the game, then think "I don't like this, what a waste of money", they have wasted their money, and before you determine success based on revenue, you should subtract the figure of everyone who thinks the purchase was a bad idea. But you're right in saying it was probably a success for Anet.

Nope, you're not right

You buy it, then decide you dont like it, but Anet still has your money. As there are no subscription fees, Anet still wins as they still have your money.
If this was a subcribe-to-play game then that changes As future revenue would require people to like it. But as its a one-off purchase, Anet has made their money out of you.

That's why there as so much hype around GW2. The more people they can get to buy it, the more money they make. Whether people like it is irrelevant when it comes to measuring its success. It's all about the number of key codes sold. Nothing more.

Max

Iceblue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

W/

06 Jan 2013 at 12:32 - 42

I'm a little less paranoid now that i read this

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Err7

Me/

06 Jan 2013 at 21:28 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Nope, you're not right

You buy it, then decide you dont like it, but Anet still has your money. As there are no subscription fees, Anet still wins as they still have your money.
If this was a subcribe-to-play game then that changes As future revenue would require people to like it. But as its a one-off purchase, Anet has made their money out of you.

That's why there as so much hype around GW2. The more people they can get to buy it, the more money they make. Whether people like it is irrelevant when it comes to measuring its success. It's all about the number of key codes sold. Nothing more.

Max

While it's true that they don't need subscription money, they do still need a certain percentage of players continuing to play the if they want to stay successful. People buying gems now and people coming back for subscriptions later are both critical to them.

But we don't have any numbers on either of those factors. We have forums and some early sales numbers. We have no good way to determine how successful the game actually is in an ongoing way, we just know that it launched well, and then a bunch of forum people started complaining.

I'll be interested to see how it goes. I'm personally still enjoying both games 7.5 years/4 months in.

Burning Freebies

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

The wonderful land of gift giving

[FoW]

E/Mo

06 Jan 2013 at 23:14 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Nope, you're not right

You buy it, then decide you dont like it, but Anet still has your money. As there are no subscription fees, Anet still wins as they still have your money.
If this was a subcribe-to-play game then that changes As future revenue would require people to like it. But as its a one-off purchase, Anet has made their money out of you.

That's why there as so much hype around GW2. The more people they can get to buy it, the more money they make. Whether people like it is irrelevant when it comes to measuring its success. It's all about the number of key codes sold. Nothing more.

Max

Well, all I know is they aren't getting 40 bucks out of me...

And technically, you can assume the success of ANET is dependent on their popularity with the people who buy their games. E.g. as GW1 was good, people kept playing, and many moved to GW2 (most GW2 customers probably played GW1). If GW2 isn't good, people aren't going to be round to buy the expansions and maybe GW3 (thinking 10 years ahead here, methinks). So GW2 has to be good to attract future sales...etc etc.

Anyway getting back to the original discussion a bit. I'm wondering how they are going to expand GW2. Those monthly updates are probably going to cover the dragons awakening (correct me if i'm wrong, I haven't played it), so how are they going to sell stuff over the next few years?

Pistachio

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

16 Jan 2013 at 18:01 - 45

Been playing GW2 since launch, but my time on there has really dropped off in the past month.

I just re-installed GW1 after a year of inactivity(also played GW1 since launch). My Necro was right there waiting for me, in Augury Rock, ready to farm hydras. I don't know how far this is going to go, but I am strangely very excited to get back into the original.

Van Couver

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Storage Acc: Vans Sweet

W/Rt

16 Jan 2013 at 20:02 - 46

well today I could not get into spamadan ae d1 as the dis was full .... somehow this is good news, right

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

16 Jan 2013 at 21:01 - 47

I've noticed the population seems to have picked up again (was heavier during wintersday)...more people still on winter break???

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

16 Jan 2013 at 23:22 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I've noticed the population seems to have picked up again (was heavier during wintersday)...more people still on winter break???

My guess is... people during winter break finally had the time to find out just how boring all other games are in comparison with GW, and came back.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

17 Jan 2013 at 09:31 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I've noticed the population seems to have picked up again (was heavier during wintersday)...more people still on winter break???

Told ya it's been increasing a lot lately, it's awesome :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofonisba

My guess is... people during winter break finally had the time to find out just how boring all other games are in comparison with GW, and came back.

Ahaha could be...or also the other way around: they had time to hop again into GW, and that made them wanna keep playing it. After all, you don't remember how fun a game is until you return to it, most times.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

18 Jan 2013 at 06:38 - 50

I still play daily. Hasn't changed since last August.

Currently getting Legendary Vanquisher on my Warrior, then doing it all over again on my Elementalist. I might even try playing as an Assassin for once.

Regardless, I still stand by my statement a long time ago that I will be the last person playing this game, if it comes to that.

I think it's more fun to know I'm the only person on the GW2 Guru site who wont touch the GW2 game with a 10-foot pole.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

18 Jan 2013 at 09:42 - 51

not the only one...I post there occasionally, but with their even stricter posting guidelines...I tend to only get over there a few times a year.

I will still be here for some time! (I have 2 accounts that I am working on getting titles..and still working on gwamm on my main account too).

tonini

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2007

Retired from guildwars for good:D

[]

R/

26 Jan 2013 at 14:44 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I still play daily. Hasn't changed since last August.

Currently getting Legendary Vanquisher on my Warrior, then doing it all over again on my Elementalist. I might even try playing as an Assassin for once.

Regardless, I still stand by my statement a long time ago that I will be the last person playing this game, if it comes to that.

I think it's more fun to know I'm the only person on the GW2 Guru site who wont touch the GW2 game with a 10-foot pole.

Lol i made my account on the gw2 forums when it was newly made and i havent been on it in quite some time, Years :O

Una Ankharan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2013

The Way of the Dao [DAO]

Rt/P

26 Jan 2013 at 18:03 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Van Couver

well today I could not get into spamadan ae d1 as the dis was full .... somehow this is good news, right

I've been getting sent to d2 for a few weeks now. I am also making more munny selling stuff in Kamadan then I ever did.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I still play daily. Hasn't changed since last August.

Currently getting Legendary Vanquisher on my Warrior, then doing it all over again on my Elementalist. I might even try playing as an Assassin for once.

Regardless, I still stand by my statement a long time ago that I will be the last person playing this game, if it comes to that.

I think it's more fun to know I'm the only person on the GW2 Guru site who wont touch the GW2 game with a 10-foot pole.

If your going for leg. vanquisher on two chars you may very well be the last person playing

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

27 Jan 2013 at 13:24 - 54

nah, I think that doing chest running the way I am will make me the last person....to date I have done about 5200...still have another 4800...and I average about 2-3 a day...so that would take me about....4-5 YEARS to finish

vanquishing is quick--there are only about 120 areas, some can be done dang fast...so if you do one a day..thats less than 1/2 a year.
oh, and I am still working on a gwamm...at the moment he has 27 titles...still waiting to finish chest running, id-ing, kurzick (have 2mill left to go), and/or lucky/unlucky to get him over the top....

so 4-5 years vs 1/2 year X 2...hm....think I win on that one

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

28 Jan 2013 at 12:10 - 55

I came back after 1 year break. Nothing is really as good as gw1 for me. Played hundreds of different games in the meantime. There is plenty of things I do not like (like having full friends list with no one on) and dead PVP but what is left is still brilliant. Glad to see there is still some life around.

Mister Pibbles

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2012

W/Mo

28 Jan 2013 at 15:58 - 56

Well I've come back after an amazing 6 years, so this is more the testimony of a new player rather than a returning one. I started right around launch but at the time I only had a dialup connection to the internet so any gaming was painful. Not the case anymore

I wanted to try GW2, but reading reviews I saw time and time again that it wasn't a true sequel to the game that I loved, and so I decided to build on what (little) I had accumulated in GW1 rather than start over.

I didn't even finish Prophicies (I was in the ring of fire on my furthest character) and I missed the other expansions, but it's great to see that this game is still kicking! The people that are left are very helpful and I've been able to make a ton of progress in the last few weeks. I joined this forum to help further speed the process and learn more about playing the game on the elite end (vanquishing, Zaishen missions and whatnot)

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

01 Feb 2013 at 02:16 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceblue

I'm a little less paranoid now that i read this

Interesting.

Sister Vickana

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2012

Tennessee US

A Guild?? What's that??

E/Me

08 Feb 2013 at 01:54 - 58

Well, it seems to me that from what I read so far here that we have a very viable community thats just as obsessive as ever. Meaning there are many of us still playing and still having fun doing the things we enjoy, whether it's missions, arenas, all out going after titles and so on. I find that even playing on my characters how I built a relationship with them and at the present I have a Ranger/Necro, Elem/Mesmer, Necro/Monk, and a Mesmer/Ranger, and a lazy bum of a hero Ogden LOL!!! Anyway, heheheh poor Ogden, anyway, our community at large is not dying, it's not going away tomorrow or anytime soon, but as stated already unless Anet decides to return and begin to work on updated GW as a whole then yes we do have concerns that needs addressing, we shall see.

Father Elona

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2013

13 Mar 2013 at 04:14 - 59

Well I decided to re-install GW1 since part 2 is complete junk. I notice that every zone is dead. No AB, No UW, No FOW, No DoA. Every mission outpost is also dead. Only a few people left in pre and GToB.

Anyway I bought a guild and got all the npcs and would appreciate some decent people to game with. i have been playing since beta and consider myself amazingly good at PvE and pretty good at PvP.

If you wanna come join a new guild, message me in game. I prefer mature players as I am 34 now. i have GWAMM and almost every title maxed.

Father Elona
The Canthan Sniper

Add me and lets play GW1

Bassma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

20 Mar 2013 at 08:26 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmerdro

I don't understand where this paranoia is coming from and why you think you're an expert in predicting the business decisions of a private company. But that's fairly irrelevant since you will never get a concrete answer to that question. Also, if GW does shut down, it would look bad on GW 2 since new players wouldn't be able to get the HoM rewards or experience the rich lore from the previous game.

I'm not criticising your decision to not buy things from the GW in-game store. I'm just perplexed by this belief that GW is going to shut down any second now. Some people seem to be a little too obsessed by things dying.

You obviously don't recall games like Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa and the more recently City of Heroes? ALL games NC SHUT DOWN out of the blue.

Just because you still play GW1 doesn't mean it's being prosperous to NCsoft. Just because a "handful" of players still play GW1 doesn't mean it's still prosperous. Just like Tabula Rasa and Auto Duel when it gets to that point those did it's GONE!

GW1 by all standards is a "dead" game anymore. Sure there's a handful of players in Kamadan but only ONE server when there used to be 5 or more. Outposts are empty all over the game world. There's nobody to group up with anymore save the very endgame zones. Go stand in the High Hold Keep zone and see how long it takes you to get a GROUP up to tackle it.

Even the once popular pvp zones like Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry are pitifully barren. The RA pvp zone is practically empty anymore.

Everything that made the game seem alive and hopping are now just visions of the past and the occassional ghost will come along for nostalgia purposes.

I wouldn't doubt NC has lost 52% stock value, GW2 is a horrible extended creation of GW1. It's empty and cold before it even begins. They need to add heroes and henchies to it fast.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

20 Mar 2013 at 09:16 - 61

the BIG difference with those titles (that got shut down) and gw...is gw is ftp not PAY to play...so after the initial purchase, they would really not see any true income from guildwars vs tabula rasa et.al. so trying to compare those title to guildwars doesnt quite fit.

Yes, they could still shut it down without notice (they have done lots of things they said would never happen--so why not that?), but we would hope that since gw2 is sorta/kinda/a weeeee bit drawn on the original that anet would have a bit of a say as to why not to shut it down (like 'gee whiz, we offer rewards in gw2 for doing stuff in gw1--if you shut gw1 down we wont be able to do that, and possibly offend some of our PAYING player base').
So I would hope that since gw2 seems like its going to be around for a bit, that they would keep the original around just for the tie-ins.
but who knows, could be they just want that one tiny server that we are all playing on for something----

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

20 Mar 2013 at 16:09 - 62

I think it will be here for a while yet.

What comes to mind is when Blade & Soul comes to the West as it is a subscription game and you never know what is in the guys mind as server costs ect when this arrives on our doorstep.

Although I believe that this wont be here for sometime yet and Anet does not want to do to much rocking the boat re the Cantha thing will it be added to GW2 so there is a lot of things in the pot at the moment we will just hope that it remains

FyrFytr998

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Connecticut USA

[ITPR]

W/

23 Mar 2013 at 16:46 - 63

I came back recently as we'll. My wife and I had switched from PC to Apple, so out of sight. Out of mind I guess. When she decided to make a new office for her business, she gave me the old one to have as my "man cave". Since my iPad gaming experience has left me wanting. And since I had no desire to drop a ton of scratch for a gaming console. I decided to fish out one of the old PC's from the basement and give GW1 a go again.

Glad I did. I hope other folks get nostalgic as well.

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

23 Mar 2013 at 20:24 - 64

I don't see why Guild Wars players don't take part in getting new players. There's alway updating people of Guild Wars related things like accomplishments, drama, game updates, or guild events. You know...Tweeting about those things, making a blog, social networks, friends, etc. One thing I've noticed all this time a lot of Guild Wars "fan" sites are either not run very well or run by ownership that does not have passion about the game.

Oh, yeah. It's work.

ruk1a

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

UR MOM LOL

ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES

A/

25 Mar 2013 at 06:57 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuilan

I don't see why Guild Wars players don't take part in getting new players. There's alway updating people of Guild Wars related things like accomplishments, drama, game updates, or guild events. You know...Tweeting about those things, making a blog, social networks, friends, etc. One thing I've noticed all this time a lot of Guild Wars "fan" sites are either not run very well or run by ownership that does not have passion about the game.

Oh, yeah. It's work.

Why would I tell my friends to come play a dead game with me? No updates, no new content, just the same game we've had for years. Yeah I still love GW but I've been a fan since its release. I highly doubt many new players can hold interest for long.. not in a MMO that has essentially been frozen in time and abandoned by its own devs.

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

25 Mar 2013 at 21:38 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuilan

I don't see why Guild Wars players don't take part in getting new players. There's alway updating people of Guild Wars related things like accomplishments, drama, game updates, or guild events. You know...Tweeting about those things, making a blog, social networks, friends, etc. One thing I've noticed all this time a lot of Guild Wars "fan" sites are either not run very well or run by ownership that does not have passion about the game.

Oh, yeah. It's work.

What also could be a good idea is to give access to all GW2 buyers. They can link their GW2 account to a GW1 account. This way the GW1 population gets up. Any thoughts on this?

tooburns

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

u know where my spot is !

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer.

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26 Mar 2013 at 05:55 - 67

^^ this .

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

26 Mar 2013 at 07:54 - 68

as long as its limited access--buying a copy of gw2 should not give you a FREE copy of the original. Give them a taste so the want to buy a copy.

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

26 Mar 2013 at 10:04 - 69

True althought you should give them a large part of the game. Atleast prophecies, EOTN and PvP Island so they get the chance to fill their HoM and experience the original game. This way GW1 gets new players.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

26 Mar 2013 at 10:15 - 70

if you give them eye...why bother buying the game then? its the ONLY thing they will care about for gw2.
I would say a trial account but a little bit more than that--perhaps with all 3 campaigns and eye, that way they can decide if they like it by playing a bit, and keep the toons if they decide to buy it, and maybe longer than 10 hours, like 20 or 30.

June Bug

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

W/

27 Mar 2013 at 14:24 - 71

Also came back to GW after about 6 months playing GW2. Got a bit bored with it, though might go back to it at some point later if I feel like it. For now I've started a couple of new toons in GW1 and will work on those. Only thing that's sad is that I can't play with most of my old guildies that are now only in GW2, but I can always join a new guild of course.

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

27 Mar 2013 at 14:53 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

if you give them eye...why bother buying the game then? its the ONLY thing they will care about for gw2.
I would say a trial account but a little bit more than that--perhaps with all 3 campaigns and eye, that way they can decide if they like it by playing a bit, and keep the toons if they decide to buy it, and maybe longer than 10 hours, like 20 or 30.

Perhaps...but it could also be that they unexpectedly enjoy GW1. For filling your HoM you kinda need factions and nightfall anyway. It's just an idea that will never happen because NC doesn't care about GW1.