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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Not "or". Maybe "and", but feathers, bones, plant fibers, etc are definitely gonna go up in price a lot.
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Sanity.
Max
Anyone else just got a perma ban?
MaxBorken
Sanity.
Max
Belle Dwayna
If you buy materials at the trader, price will increase. So with less bots, more people will buy at trader. I don't see how it can return to old prices...
Bellatrixa
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Originally Posted by Nebiez
i was in the ally that owned hzh it wasnt bots the ally was a big active ally with ppl mtscing
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Just to make it clear, I don't give a crap which alliance owns which town. Just pointing out that there is a large amount of illegit faction being held in the top two alliances which is blindingly obvious to anyone who knows the game to any degree. I actually find it kinda sad that people care that much about faction, especially in a 10 year old game that's mostly dead compared to its former days of high population. Guess we'll just wait and see how much the faction drops, eh?
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People who really didn't do anything wrong and got banned... I think that number is far lower than speculated. I don't think the reasons of gold selling/third party programs is true across the board though. Seems like someone checked a load of accounts to be banned at once and just slapped the same reason on all of them.
MaxBorken
They might not return to pre-botted prices, but the imbalance in the economy should level out. It's economics 101 that if something gets scarcer, the price goes up. I of all people in GW know that . This should redress the imbalance though. Whichever level the prices adjust to will be the correct one for supply/demand.
The imbalance has been the issue as far as botted materials are concerned.
Max
. This should redress the imbalance though. Whichever level the prices adjust to will be the correct one for supply/demand. The imbalance has been the issue as far as botted materials are concerned.
Max
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by MaxBorken
Or perhaps return to their pre-botted prices.
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When players buy from them, the mats go up in price.
When players sell to them, the mats go down in price.
Consumables require materials. Consumable use, especially given the presence of wealthy long-term players who have nothing else to spend their cash on, means lots of materials being bought from material traders.
This sends price up.
Still with me here?
Bots farm materials. This has two effects. One, botters sell materials directly to material traders. This sends price down, or at least counters the rising price. Two, botters sell materials to other players who want to craft consumables. This reduces the amount of materials players buy from material traders, again slowing down the price increase.
There is utterly no reason to assume that a sudden drop in the supply of crafting materials is going to somehow make them cheaper.
Material prices will only go up (ones used in cons that is), and they'll probably start doing it a lot faster.
BlankCode
Hello! I got banned too i will say everything as it is..
I was a boring motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOer so i decided to run a ldoa bot from lvl 9 to lvl 10
and i woke this morning banned 
I guess i had it coming for myself.. Sometimes the laziness will just screw me up. R.I.P My future Ldoa title
Dont act inoccent, say what you did!
Was fun playing this game for so many years. I'm happy that my addiction to GW ended with this perma bann Now i will have more time for diffrent stuff.
I Bid farewell to this community and everyone that plays it. Also good job anet ! I am really surprised by this.
PS: I by myself reported atleast 20 JQ bots the past 2 weeks. I guess i made myself banned too
I was a boring motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOer so i decided to run a ldoa bot from lvl 9 to lvl 10
I guess i had it coming for myself.. Sometimes the laziness will just screw me up. R.I.P My future Ldoa title
Dont act inoccent, say what you did!
Was fun playing this game for so many years. I'm happy that my addiction to GW ended with this perma bann
I Bid farewell to this community and everyone that plays it. Also good job anet ! I am really surprised by this.
PS: I by myself reported atleast 20 JQ bots the past 2 weeks. I guess i made myself banned too
Zephyr of Light
I give the Guy props for flushing out 20,000 Zkeys (lol how obv JQ botted) of the game.
Bellatrixa
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Which is to say, much higher than they are now. Quick lesson about GW material traders (as well as basic economics):
When players buy from them, the mats go up in price. When players sell to them, the mats go down in price. Consumables require materials. Consumable use, especially given the presence of wealthy long-term players who have nothing else to spend their cash on, means lots of materials being bought from material traders. This sends price up. Still with me here? Bots farm materials. This has two effects. One, botters sell materials directly to material traders. This sends price down, or at least counters the rising price. Two, botters sell materials to other players who want to craft consumables. This reduces the amount of materials players buy from material traders, again slowing down the price increase. There is utterly no reason to assume that a sudden drop in the supply of crafting materials is going to somehow make them cheaper. Material prices will only go up (ones used in cons that is), and they'll probably start doing it a lot faster. |
I've argued before that botting is somewhat of a necessary evil in a game with declining population. That's if you want to stand a chance of being able to afford some items. There's going to be a lot of inflation on the way pretty soon. Not saying that botters shouldn't be banned or that people should bot, just that they do help keep prices low.
Arkon Necrocannibal
I've heard two guys talking about 2nd ban wave tonight.
Any clue about that guys ? Fake or not ?
Any clue about that guys ? Fake or not ?
BlankCode
I think that witouth those 4k accounts the game will just die out GG
P.S: IF tooburns read this.. i want you to know i got the q8 15^50 storm bow for 700e .. right before you buy it .. GG RIPPERINO CAPUCHINO BYE BYE STORM BOW
GGP.S: IF tooburns read this.. i want you to know i got the q8 15^50 storm bow for 700e .. right before you buy it .. GG RIPPERINO CAPUCHINO BYE BYE STORM BOW
Belle Dwayna
If no official announcement or a screen of a conversation with a GM, you can say what you want. Ok let's start a new rumor : I heard that they'll ban once a week to clean GW1 servers and launch they new GW2 extension.
Wolftail
i think people get banned if they BUY gold as well, not just sell.
There are other things that you could get banned for not just botting, buying /selling gold
There are other things that you could get banned for not just botting, buying /selling gold
Wolftail
as i said before, there are many reasons to get a ban besides botting and selling gold
you also get banned for buying gold from a gold seller for example.
you also get banned for buying gold from a gold seller for example.
Ghen
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Originally Posted by Flint Lightning
Yes they banned 17 of my acc's I have 1 left lol
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BlankCode
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Originally Posted by Ghen
I understand one could have an alt or two for storage, but what exactly do you do with 17 account other than botting?
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pkodyssey
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Originally Posted by Nebiez
i was in the ally that owned hzh it wasnt bots the ally was a big active ally with ppl mtscing
---------- and i think its a ban to shut down the servers before the new gw2 expo hits the market what better way to force a big game expo then to let the original run for a few more years leech the last of its money from it then ban a bunch of people so they can shut down the servers and make people go to gw2 befor there new expo |
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I tried gw2, couldn't stomach it. It doesn't have the same playability. No way will I go back.
cosyfiep
back in the day...there was no extra storage and some stores were almost giving gw away (you could get a copy for $5)....so LOTS of folks bought extra copies; many are (were) being used as mules for all those items they collect (yes I have a storage account or two). If you think about it buying an account for under $10 gets you at least 4 character slots and a storage tab (or 2?)...which is still cheaper than buying a character slot from the ingame store.
and from what I saw...those gold sellers are STILL standing in lions arch, kamadan and eye of the north (you know who they are...just open the search up when you get there and especially in la and eye you will see only ONE person posting there---for RL $).
No idea what prompted the monkeys over at areanet to do this now--it will not look good for gw2 really (as someone has already pointed out, why pisss off your customer base?)--since they have shown zero percent interest in this game (have some of them even played gw?).....guess we will never know since they dont seem to tell us stuff anymore either. (just glad they arent banning for texmod)
and from what I saw...those gold sellers are STILL standing in lions arch, kamadan and eye of the north (you know who they are...just open the search up when you get there and especially in la and eye you will see only ONE person posting there---for RL $).
No idea what prompted the monkeys over at areanet to do this now--it will not look good for gw2 really (as someone has already pointed out, why pisss off your customer base?)--since they have shown zero percent interest in this game (have some of them even played gw?).....guess we will never know since they dont seem to tell us stuff anymore either. (just glad they arent banning for texmod
jayson
Checked both accounts and no issues here.
svardi
I think it is a response from ArenaNet about the recent mass reporting of the botting problem to the support service (that was documented in these forums with meticulous precision). I don't think that ANet cares a lot about GW, or rather the InGame economy anymore.
I am sure that they have internal guidelines that order to waste as little resources on GW1 as possible, and the highest maintaining costs for GW1 are now besides the server costs (which are probably rather low) obviously the costs for the support service team. This theory is backed by the fact that many have probably noticed that many support tickets get silenced with little words or auto-responses, or in some cases not answered at all.
I've already said this regarding the recent HA update: If you guys piss the staff with your autistic complaints off, they will piss you off with drastic radical measures. One would think that a 10 year old community would by now have learned to moderate itself and not run to the authorities about every itty bitty perceived unfairness - but no. This trend will probably go on over a few more iterations and slowly but certainly kill off what is left of the community. But whatever.
Yes, you guys are right - the vast majority of all bans have probably been more than justified. But I have heard some reports of people of which I am absolutely sure that they did not do anything that would justify the termination of their accounts (And no - I am not part of these people). And for these people - even if it's just a few - I am sorry that they have to suffer for the stupidity and ignorance of the rest of the community. I am also sure that most of these people will not come back, and that is for a reason.
I think I'm done with my little rant. Peace out!
I am sure that they have internal guidelines that order to waste as little resources on GW1 as possible, and the highest maintaining costs for GW1 are now besides the server costs (which are probably rather low) obviously the costs for the support service team. This theory is backed by the fact that many have probably noticed that many support tickets get silenced with little words or auto-responses, or in some cases not answered at all.
I've already said this regarding the recent HA update: If you guys piss the staff with your autistic complaints off, they will piss you off with drastic radical measures. One would think that a 10 year old community would by now have learned to moderate itself and not run to the authorities about every itty bitty perceived unfairness - but no. This trend will probably go on over a few more iterations and slowly but certainly kill off what is left of the community. But whatever.
Yes, you guys are right - the vast majority of all bans have probably been more than justified. But I have heard some reports of people of which I am absolutely sure that they did not do anything that would justify the termination of their accounts (And no - I am not part of these people). And for these people - even if it's just a few - I am sorry that they have to suffer for the stupidity and ignorance of the rest of the community. I am also sure that most of these people will not come back, and that is for a reason.
I think I'm done with my little rant. Peace out!
Darcy
Now I'm afraid to log into my account. Let me know when it's been cleared up.
Masil
Bellatrixa
Best guild announcement I've ever seen. Thanks for making me spit tea at my laptop screen!
cosyfiep
"Greetings, Tyrian!
We're sorry, but the web page you seek appears to have disappeared in the mist."
that link is borked....gee go figure, and there is nothing on their 'support' pages that is new
We're sorry, but the web page you seek appears to have disappeared in the mist."
that link is borked....gee go figure, and there is nothing on their 'support' pages that is new
Zephyr of Light
Arenanet responded to our cries for doing something about the course this game is going to.
Instead investing time into bringing good sollutions they just whipe whats left of their prize winning game.
They know how the state of the game is, for them it just that GW1 has done what it needed to do, maintain a bussiness.
Anet doesnt keep in mind that over 60% of its GW2 player base were GW1 players.
I frown upon how oblivious they are and in a Blizzard way to create 10 expansions to pump in new players and more beneficial for their long term.
If they claim they got their hands full on maintaining GW2, they should get those Blizzard guys out of the office and place actual "Guild vs Guild" in a game that was named partially for that purpose.
This is how Blizzard runs its cash crops too, see how WoW went from glorious 40 man's to 10, then pandas and 6 expansions.
I know this is the game industry, but lets not forget the ten year anniversary is soon, and this is how they treat their games, community, and i hope they will stop this soon, because this is far from the fundament GW1 was made on.
Instead investing time into bringing good sollutions they just whipe whats left of their prize winning game.
They know how the state of the game is, for them it just that GW1 has done what it needed to do, maintain a bussiness.
Anet doesnt keep in mind that over 60% of its GW2 player base were GW1 players.
I frown upon how oblivious they are and in a Blizzard way to create 10 expansions to pump in new players and more beneficial for their long term.
If they claim they got their hands full on maintaining GW2, they should get those Blizzard guys out of the office and place actual "Guild vs Guild" in a game that was named partially for that purpose.
This is how Blizzard runs its cash crops too, see how WoW went from glorious 40 man's to 10, then pandas and 6 expansions.
I know this is the game industry, but lets not forget the ten year anniversary is soon, and this is how they treat their games, community, and i hope they will stop this soon, because this is far from the fundament GW1 was made on.
Nekodesu
Apparently a lot of GvGers got hit by this ban. Maybe that's a good thing, it's riddled with bots.
Maybe that's a good thing, it's riddled with bots.
Flint Lightning
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stop acting innocent, you're caught botting too so just take this as a sign and get a real job lmao
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I understand one could have an alt or two for storage, but what exactly do you do with 17 account other than botting?
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Linksys
I've been in Heroes' Ascent getting fame points. I don't bot or alt but I've
been in teams that do that. My thing has been okay, let them alt and stuff.
I'll contribute with real game play and target spiking and stuff. Other team
members seem to like that and want that, even against hench teams, some
of which are alts. But I won't alt or bot.
I did see a lot of chat about bans yesterday. Today I logged in and I'm still in
the game. A little afraid to touch HA though.
I also did what I suggest others do if they've put years into this game. Take
screen shots of all your title tracks and how much of each type of faction
your account has earned. Use photoshop to crop if you want. And screen
shots of your HoM, both in the game and on the GW2 calculator website.
That way you have documented what you've done in the game. That may
appeal to people who identify as gamers. Just so you have something to
show or see in the future, especially because the GW servers will probably
not be running for another ten years.
And if you get banned afterward, maybe it won't be so bad. You still have
documented account of your accomplishments. I know it's just a game and
people like to say that a lot and it is a game. But I'm sure a lot of people will
feel like their college transcripts got totally erased for good if their GW
account gets banned. The reasons for that reaction vary and are for reasons
of each individual. I don't wish to flame people for having such reasons and
feelings. If I'm concerned, it's about adverse emotional effects in general.
been in teams that do that. My thing has been okay, let them alt and stuff.
I'll contribute with real game play and target spiking and stuff. Other team
members seem to like that and want that, even against hench teams, some
of which are alts. But I won't alt or bot.
I did see a lot of chat about bans yesterday. Today I logged in and I'm still in
the game. A little afraid to touch HA though.
I also did what I suggest others do if they've put years into this game. Take
screen shots of all your title tracks and how much of each type of faction
your account has earned. Use photoshop to crop if you want. And screen
shots of your HoM, both in the game and on the GW2 calculator website.
That way you have documented what you've done in the game. That may
appeal to people who identify as gamers. Just so you have something to
show or see in the future, especially because the GW servers will probably
not be running for another ten years.
And if you get banned afterward, maybe it won't be so bad. You still have
documented account of your accomplishments. I know it's just a game and
people like to say that a lot and it is a game. But I'm sure a lot of people will
feel like their college transcripts got totally erased for good if their GW
account gets banned. The reasons for that reaction vary and are for reasons
of each individual. I don't wish to flame people for having such reasons and
feelings. If I'm concerned, it's about adverse emotional effects in general.
Draak Calinca
About 30 more people in Kama just got dhuumed
Linksys
So that's where it's happening? I went to the HA international district to see if there's
any gossip on new bans. Maybe I should go to Kamadan to see the Dhuum action.
any gossip on new bans. Maybe I should go to Kamadan to see the Dhuum action.
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Counted 132 accounts of mine banned so far. ~110 of them didn't do anything (botting/illegal trades) + a few from costumers that I've recently sold that got banned as well.
Definetly Hardware ID banwave.. Amongst the accounts that didn't do anything illegal : Main is gone, with many other high end accounts (cdx12, z12, 50 HoM, GWAMM, etc.) and a lot of projects and work reduced to nothing. Estimation at minimum value @7,500€ worth aha.. Gone |
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Originally Posted by BlankCode
Hello! I got banned too i will say everything as it is..
I was a boring motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOer so i decided to run a ldoa bot from lvl 9 to lvl 10 I guess i had it coming for myself.. Sometimes the laziness will just screw me up. R.I.P My future Ldoa title Dont act inoccent, say what you did! |
Mishi
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Ether Myth
lost 10+ accts.
rip 5000 dollars
rip 5000 dollars
Aphrody T
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Apparently a lot of GvGers got hit by this ban.
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C to the H
lemming
hey guys what's going on here
Mr Facepalm
No.1 and No.2 alliances were 90% bots
Most of them got took out during that banwave.
I'd like to see any alliance hold 20+ mil with real players these days haha
and i know this, because i was in Both alliances.
pretty funny if you ask me.
+ both alliances were'nt at all that active really,maybe active for the current player base. but i seen the ally chat dead for a couple hours before, maybe the odd person asking for a pc, or something.
Most of them got took out during that banwave.
I'd like to see any alliance hold 20+ mil with real players these days haha
and i know this, because i was in Both alliances.
pretty funny if you ask me.
+ both alliances were'nt at all that active really,maybe active for the current player base. but i seen the ally chat dead for a couple hours before, maybe the odd person asking for a pc, or something.
SillyOo
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and i think its a ban to shut down the servers befor the new gw2 expo hits the market what better way to force a big game expo then to let the original run for a few more years leech the last of its money from it then ban a bunch of people so they can shut down the servers and make people go to gw2 befor there new expo
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They automate it so it requires the least resources possible and sustain itself. All festivals are pretty much at this state. Festival Grab bags, Birthday vouchers, etc all reflect this for future events. StarCraft 1, Diablo 2, etc all still running with near principal.
Delayed banning is effective to catch more abusers at once, counter-strike and VAC highlight this well.
Surge goes pre
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Highly doubt gw1 will shut down within the next 5 years+
They automate it so it requires the least resources possible and sustain itself. All festivals are pretty much at this state. Festival Grab bags, Birthday vouchers, etc all reflect this for future events. StarCraft 1, Diablo 2, etc all still running with near principal. Delayed banning is effective to catch more abusers at once, counter-strike and VAC highlight this well. |
Shayne Hawke
Man, of all the days I decide to see what Guru is up to.
I logged in to make sure I wasn't banned, and things look okay so far. I'm planning on recording more RBR during the upcoming CNY, so I'd be pretty upset if I somehow got hit with a ban on a game I don't even play regularly anymore.
I logged in to make sure I wasn't banned, and things look okay so far. I'm planning on recording more RBR during the upcoming CNY, so I'd be pretty upset if I somehow got hit with a ban on a game I don't even play regularly anymore.
cosyfiep
yes, folks were getting a bit complacent...but I wish they would put up a statement someplace for all to see (and not that link--it goes no where). Perhaps this means gw might get some love for its big 10 year birthday? (one can hope).