The Truth about Pre-Nerf

The Greetings Gurus.

I thought it might be helpful to collate a list of stats we know to be Pre-Nerf.

An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannnot drop any more. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.

This is a list of items which in my opinion are truly Pre-Nerf (and the purpose of this thread is to confirm and add/remove stat ranges in order to establish a definitive list). I haven't included Triple Modded items or Mausoleum items because those are considered bugged, not Pre-Nerf.

These are known to be Pre-Nerf:

Any weapons
- Any weapon in r7 with max damage regardless of mods
- Any FACTIONS staff with a restoration requirement
- Any FACTIONS wand with a restoration requirement
- Any r8 staff with max (11-22) damage
- Any weapon with an unconditional inherent damage mod, eg. +14% damage with no negatives
- Any GOLD staff with a requirement of 0
- Any staff whose HSR mod is written in GOLD text.

Any Shields
- Any shield in r7 with 16 armour regardless of mods
- Any shield with two inherent [reduces physical damage received by X] mods (aka Dual Reduction).
- Any shield with a [received physical damage -3(10%)] mod. (including non-max mods)

Gold Shields
- Any GOLD shield with a -2/hexed mod. (These only come -3/hexed now)
- Any GOLD shield with a -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod. (These only come -2 now)
- Any GOLD shield with a +40/[stance or enchanted] or lower inherent mod.
- Any GOLD shield with a +8 armour or lower vs damage type mod. For example +8 armour vs slashing
- Any GOLD shield with a +26hp or lower inherent mod.
- Any GOLD shield with a non max -5(20%) mod (these only come -5/20 or -5/19% now). For example -4(19%).

Purple Shields
- Any PURPLE shield with a +19hp or lower inherent mod.
- Any PURPLE shield with a +29/[stance or enchanted] or lower inherent mod.

GOLD weapons
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapon with +13%[condition] or lower inherent mod
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapon with +18%[while Hexed] or lower inherrent mod
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable weapons with +18%[below 50%] or lower inherrent mod

Purple Weapons
- Any PURPLE Non-inscribable weapon with +11 or 12%[condition]
- Any PURPLE Non-inscribable weapon with +xx%/-5 energy, +xx%/-10 armour or +xx%/-1[energy or health] regen

Specific skins
- Any GOLD non-inscribable Crystalline sword
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Axe
- Any GOLD Non-inscribable Dwarven Hammer
- Any GOLD Non-Inscribable Krytan Axe
- Any Swamp Club
- Any Non-inscribable Serpent Axe (Tyrian Skin only)
- Any Fire Staff with the Dead Staff skin only
- Any Water Staff with the Dead Staff skin only
- The Henge of Denravi sword - http://guildwiki.gamepedia.com/Denravi_Sword

Weapons Mods
- Any sundering weapon mod of 10/9% or lower (10/10 sword mod is still available)
- Any weapon mod with +25% damage vs Charr


Runes


Miscellaneous
- Any Mixed dyes
- Jade Wind Orbs

Please feel free to add any more that I haven't got here. I'll update the top post as necessary.

@mods: Is this worth being stickied? I think so.

Max

Nice list.

I would add: Any Swamp Club. Any uninsc Tyrian Serpent Axe.

And Dwarven hammer & Krytan axes also, And purples with 12% aswell, not just 11%

also most of the shields can drop those mods you listed in purples/blues, so in ANY GOLD theyre nerfed


also there are other then sword 25% vs charr mods, so well overall all 25% vs charr mods are nerfed

edit x5, also serpent axes tyrian also drops purple still, as well as krytan axes crystas dwarvens etc, so should be only gold versions are nerfed :P

also youve listed max q8 staffs being nerfed but its safe to say q8 axes, hammers, wands bows are also nerfed since there hasnt been confirmed drops in years

edit nro. xx Also wands with restoration requipment neither drop

and also Gold staffs with Req 0 are nerfed and only excist as prenerf as far as iknow (these used be quite a thing back in time havent seen any in years tho)

- Any sword pommel with +25% damage vs Charr ( includes 25% bow string, 25% hammer haft)
- Any sundering sword hilt of 10/9% or lower (10/10 is still available)(sundering mods from 10/9 down to 10/5 for axe, bow and hammer)
- also im prety damn sure there are vampiric mods like 1life drain -1hp regen( for axe bow hammer sword) and 2hp lifedrain-1hp regen. ( Xtreamly rare.. i only saw one and it was in pre-searing)

Edited old post allready too many times. So 20% while hex or below 50% only drops 19-20% in golds so 15-18% are nerfed

EDIT. so i think the list should be made easyer to read with diff sections for gold prenerfs. Purples. Blues. And others like weapon mods. Runes dyes jade wind orbs etc.

So, your thoughts on this?

Fire Staves with Dead Staff skin don't drop anymore.

Merch :P

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- Any r8 staff with max (11-22) damage.... dont have to be prenerf!

i know of at least 4 req8 max dmg staves postnerf - meaning with inherent 20%hrt + individual mod under dmgmod.

peace

Restoration Staffs, Offhands, and Wands are assumed to still drop in OS in Factions, they use Basic skins like Writhing Focus, and Restoration Rod, personally i had those dropped in Purple and Gold, but only in Nightfall and EoTN. |
Source : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Categ...ualist_weapons

The only shields that still drop with -2^hex, -1^ench/stance, and +7AL are exclusively ONLY below Q6 in Purple, and ONLY in the following regions : All of Pre-Searing, Old Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks.
The level of these area's vary between 1-12 in general, may drop from local enemy's and chests.
Wiki Quote : "Values for variable bonuses are within the second highest quarter of their range, rounded up, which means that bonuses with narrow ranges can be found on purple items."


With the introduction of "Daily Quests" in Pre-Searing that can scale up enemys to level 14-18, increase the odds of gold drops, very beneficial for the Dwarven Hammer and the Krytan Axe, as its the only place where it still possibly can drop in Gold OS.

I'm pretty sure that Flint had such hammer for sale like 1-2 years ago for 90-135 Black Dye / 1:3 post ratio.


Edit : Flints Thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...802&highlight=

The pre section shows gold OS weapons that dropped there, making it very plausible that Dwarven and Krytan may drop in Gold, and are not removed from the loot table.


Hope this contributes a little.
Z.

Zaishen Medallions
Naga Fangs
HoD Sword

=D

Actually no. I just had max purple magmas shield lil ago with -2hex at same day while got the 30/-3 (images on other thread) and i get em alot while chesting


Also water staffs with dead staff skin, not just fire ones

Purples can have still 4/19 etc and 5/17 etc mods aswell. aswell as 7-8ar vs someting



Also that presearing thing is quite strange.

Only gold shields with -2wHex is prenerf. Purples still possible to get..

very nice thread idea!
think you should specify:
It´s shields that have -2wS AND a sec dmg reduction mod - dual inherent (like -2wS +10vsSlashing etc.) do still drop frequently. There are no shields like -3wH/-2wE - the "nerf" just put -2wS in the same category as any other dmg red mods wich was not the case before.
Furthermore there are certain non max DMG ranges that do no more drop at certain reqs - just tracking max dmg´s lowest req was interesting, so I think this information cannot be retrieved.
On runes: I´m not pro here... but name written in blue medium and high runes, medium and high runes with small icon, medium runes -50HP
On shields:
gold: any with +26HP, +40HPwE/wS or below (not sure on hex - I think 56 is lowest possible atm so 55wH or below)
more to be added

mm yeah those excist, with lil search found this

What about Quest items or collector's item that don't exist anymore ?

Tattered Girl's Cape or HoD Sword and Hammer.

Brings back memories. The one HoD item that I miss was the axe. That thing was legit.

Discussed with few other ppl who are Pre addicts, according them the Golds did drop, but only for few minutes as they forgot turn the drops off for presearing, so Gold drops wont drop there anymore, apperently 3-4 gold drops happened.. and well if they would drop, im sure we'd see them more often then just that one flint posted 2 years ago

Hello ! For a fact i know there were more then 3-4 gold drops. Yes they happened for a very brief time. And there were certain people who bought a decent amount of them.
Except the ones posted by Flint quite a while ago, i can confrim i peresonally have seen atlest 4-5 more golds even Staffs ingame. Most of their owners are sadly inactive or banned.
But im sure there are pretty good amount of them.

P.S: Yeah you can't drop them anymore ^^

I dont think resto wands are pre-nerf, pretty dang sure I got this one in the last few years...

Yeah it kinda got wrong, so restoration wands and staffs do drop, But the attritube was removed from cantha Universal staffs, like Platinum, Dragon, Celestial, Forbidden, Plagueborn, Bo, jade, Amber, Outcast, Zodiac

So from those skin staffs And Wands/scepters Restoration is nerfed! And other universal ones aswell, like wayward

so factions skins will not have the resto requirement. Makes more sense.

This is another one of the weird quest nerfs

Bumping this up as there's a discussion on Facebook which refers to this thread. So I'm making it easier to find this thread.

Max

Max damage R8 Golds out of chests. (might only be martial weapons) Someone I think proved me wrong once but I never saw a screenshot. 1000 lockpicks got me 0 and I remember it killed FoW chest runs years ago.

@carnage: not sure if your sentence was a question but:

You can still get Req8 Gold Max Items (Swords, Shields, Offhands only tho) from 450gold Chests (for canthan / kournan chests I'm 100% sure) ;-)
Check out the chestrunning thread... I posted screenshots of some req8 max pongmei valley drops theres somewhere on one of the last 10 pages


/Edit:

did the work for you:




Think I also have some screenshots of the drops still laying on the ground aswell as one of a q8 max sword drop lately, but can't find those atm....
Hope the screenshot above is prove enough - took it like half a year ago (used ~750-1000 lockpicks to get those drops)

God damn. That's a lot of r8 max stats. Anything turn out to be nice? (GotH, Paper, Broad-1)

I'm trying to think of anything else. There were some goofy prenerf things that used to be around.

I see no mention of old nerfed runes. Anyone remember when that happened? I've still got 1 or 2.

Well the runes are still around the old ones and nothing special on em

Some rarer and some more common but not much market for em :P

Think almost everyone has a few D;

So just to clarify it for myself as I have a hard time to truely understand this matter..

Pleikki sold a q8/16 shield (possibly post nerf to me, could be pre-2007) with a +25hp mod, and a max secondairy mod.

Its stated to be called pre-nerf, but what makes it pre-nerf?
The +25hp to me does ring a Bell but im not entirely sure that that makes it pre-nerf as post nerf variables go from 10-30hp (blue, Purple, gold Rarity).

Imy had a plague if i recall correctly with a similar "low" hp while Hexed but was still "post nerf"

I assume myself that +10-20 comes on blues, 21-27 on purples and 27-30's on golds.. But since every rarity has a huge chance to yield a mod variable fitting to other raritys (like a purple shield still being able to generate a max mod, like -20% something, and a gold +40hp^ench stance) its still somewhat confusing to me..

So if anyone is able to explain or show me what mods fit in a certain quallity I can get more understanding of how those are appraised as either post or pre-nerf.

(i have a general idea of what makes things pre-nerf, but when it close on the edge of what I think still is able to be generated it gets confusing to me to being able to judge and place such item in its respective catagory).

Zeph. Gold shields drop 27-30hp, purple 20-27/8(not 100% sure which is it for purple) and blue 10-2x Nowaday. any below those lines is prenerf.

Imys plagueborn was purple with 24hp

For stance ench mods golds drop 41-45 purples 30-41/2(not 100% sure which is it for purple) and blue idk

With other mods. like 5/20

Gold drops 5/19-20 Purple 4/5-15-18) i think

for Attri mods etc they drop on golds lowest 19% and below that is prenerf

Purple/blue prenerfs are so rare almost not excisting its hard to say what was even possible, and there been never rly for sale those so i dont think it matters either.

But zeph the pre/post nerf was also made before fact release. so there arent fact skin prenerfs like plagueborn in imys case

The numbers are in my original post. It says there which mods cannot drop any more for each colour.

And yea, Imy's was 24hp and purple.
The gold shield you bought is indeed pre-nerf, as +25 cannot drop any more on a gold shield.

Max

i'm pretty sure purple shields can have up to 28hp permanent health, don't have a screenshot right now to back this up tho

Lets say it this way. As far as I know, the HP Mods with +30HP were possible pre-nref, so a low req. shield with +30HP could have dropped before the change in the coding, however there is no way of proving that it is really pre-nerf item and no way of distinguishing it from a post-nerf shield with the same stats-
A shield with the stats r8/16 is only 100% proven to be prenerf if it follows the rules stated above (gold +25HP or lower, etc...).

Thats a very nice sum-up you have there Max. Well done btw.

Ooh, if someone can get proof, I'll update the OP

Thanks Rushin, coming from a specialist such as yourself, that means a lot

Max

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The nerf was just after factions was released, I think. 7/16 plagueborn shields exist. (Don't you have one for sale at the moment, Ikki?). Also r7 max Canthan swords exist too.

Max

Thanks for the heads up guys, and even after checking the first page (like i should in the first place inb4 posting) it seems about right with anything +25hp and below is considered pre nerf.

It was just such a close call that I had a slight doubt from personal knowledge about pre-nerfs.

Good that you point this out, to come back on this I wonder if any gold (non Inscrip / non inherent) crystalline is considered pre-nerf, and or if they still have a slight chance of being generated by the UW/FoW and or Zchest.

I myself used to have a Req 9 and 11 (currently only got a Req 8), but since I also have some pretty "rare" non inscriptable EoTN and NF items, i wonder if someone can still prove said item (crysta) came from the pre-factions era.
Or if its something that still could happen to this day.

Pretty sure iv had seen this aswell couple years back, but post factions for sure.

+26hp is also prenerf. But Max i ment abou the non max mods. not req like q7 items..

Ie. the change that made those mod ranges was way before the update that removed q7 drops.

you should know since same update removed dual reductions. since there arent canthan dual reds

Gotcha.......

Cus i dont call q7 prenerf for same reasons as q8.. since techically all q8 hammer axe etc are too "prenerf" but its simpler for most and generally used just call the mods prenerf not reqs of weapons