New community forum to replace guru - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

18 May 2016 at 07:05 - 1

So as the curtain comes down on our beloved guildwarsguru, we stand at a crossroads.

Somehow, and against all the odds, a small group from the Facebook page has put together a new forum which is intended to take over from guru when they pull the plug.

www.guildwarslegacy.com

Membership is growing, but it's the content that will make the difference. There will be no archive of guru, and the way back machine can't get into password protected logs. It's up to us to transfer the content from guru. Transfer your threads to the new forum now before it's too late, and we lose all the data.

Builds, maps, screenshots, collections, guides, team compositions, gameplay tactics, external links..., bring them all while we still can. There's a small window of opportunity to do this, as Curse have said they'll shut guru down sometime in June, and all the data remains their intellectual property.

The team is working on a way to import the most important threads.

Make it count, and never give up, never surrender

Max

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

18 May 2016 at 07:16 - 2

I wanna know why make new site tho instead using the gw2guru?

Since how i see it, That new site is alot harder to be found from returning old players, and ppl coming back from gw2, Im sure gw2guru would be the site for those returning players to look, and for that reason wiser choice in my opinion to be build as the forum after gw1guru.

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

18 May 2016 at 07:22 - 3

Because the community controls the new site and not some entity that only cares about their marketshare.

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

18 May 2016 at 07:27 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coast

Because the community controls the new site and not some entity that only cares about their marketshare.

This.

12chars

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 07:34 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

I wanna know why make new site tho instead using the gw2guru?

Since how i see it, That new site is alot harder to be found from returning old players, and ppl coming back from gw2, Im sure gw2guru would be the site for those returning players to look, and for that reason wiser choice in my opinion to be build as the forum after gw1guru.

Pleikkis reason shouldn't be ignored I don't think.

Maybe there is a place for both forums?

When it comes or data, I'm planning on saving copies of the threads I deem important - think collections threads. Copying everry post would takes ages.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

18 May 2016 at 07:39 - 6

Yeah fear this will divide community to half and dont see that as a good thing.

For community ran things, ive only seen handful communitys strong enough to run someting well for several years, i do hope gw has such community
But for curse i dont see them shutting gw2guru down atleast before gw1 server(and gw2) is gone

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 07:41 - 7

Yeah split in 2 not the best.

expugnare

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Houston, TX

The Academy [PhD]

E/A

18 May 2016 at 07:44 - 8

I like GWlegacy for the simple fact that I won't have to feel like a leper in a community that's moved behind us (GW2).

I already get annoyed at having to explain to my friends why I still play GW 1 after so many years anyway.

If communities are active I'll use both until one is bigger or more dominant.

Yuko

O O O Yoji O O O

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2012

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W/A

18 May 2016 at 07:52 - 9

i might use both but for now i can't create acc on Legacy -.-'

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

18 May 2016 at 07:53 - 10

Just a question out there to all afraid that the community will be split through this? How many of you have been active on both GWG and Wartower (for example) over the years?

I know that I have. You can register for both forums and use the one you want to use. It will crystallize out after the initial new phase which forum will be more active and which will endure. Both forums have their pros and cons, but I have a feeling, that the GWL forum may be more flexible in terms of player input regarding functionality, forum sections, maybe even rules. The GW2 forums will be great to bring back more players to the old lady, or to improve awareness for users interested in trying out the old game (all that is needed is an official sale for the complete collection or the stand alone games to start something there).

In the end: Membership for the 2 forums is not mutually exclusive. Register for both and lets see where it goes from there.

EDIT: @Max: Any possibility of a dedicated presearing section? If you want to bring in a larger group, then you can maybe try to offer a home to the orphaned presearing.com users

MaxBorken

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London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

18 May 2016 at 07:54 - 11

Yep, certainly not looking to split the community. That would be terminal.

When the idea was born, all we had was an announcement about the closure, and nothing to indicate that we would be given space on the gw2 forum except what was said in he announcement itself. There was no section for us, for a few days. We decided to do something about that. During our discussions, Kvinna unlocked the gw2 bit, and we discussed halting, but general consensus was to continue as folks might not like being an afterthought on that forum.

Since we started, our bit on gw2 went live, but by that point the new forum was well underway, and seemed popular.

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Dedicated pre searing bit is a stroke of genius

OS T

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/E

18 May 2016 at 08:15 - 12

I also hate that gw is beeing moved to gw2 guru.I deff see the the private site better. Tho Im not sure how I feel with max as staff/rest of phd in the driving seat,atleast on gw2guru they dont have control.

MaxBorken

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Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

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18 May 2016 at 08:18 - 13

Heh, I'm not in the driving seat, and no one from PhD is involved. It's being run by Richey Rollins, who is also the driving force behind the Facebook group

Cosy will moderate as before, and the rules will remain the same too.

Also, I have the computer skills of a stale potato, so wouldn't be able to implement etc anyway

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We'll do a presearing section, as agreed

Belle Dwayna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Barradin Estate

[pRma]

E/

18 May 2016 at 08:34 - 14

I do agree with Pleikki. I think you went too fast in taking a decision to do something.

My personal opinion : your new forum is far to be ready, I hope it'll be improved. And just because of the theme of the forum, I don't even want to create an account. I know it's a personal feeling, but legacy forum is not easy on the eye. Answers are to be found between name, avatar and more, what make the navagition not user-friendly.

I hope anyway to see the community moving together to see the adventure going on

OS T

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/E

18 May 2016 at 08:35 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Heh, I'm not in the driving seat, and no one from PhD is involved. It's being run by Richey Rollins, who is also the driving force behind the Facebook group

Cosy will moderate as before, and the rules will remain the same too.

Also, I have the computer skills of a stale potato, so wouldn't be able to implement etc anyway

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We'll do a presearing section, as agreed

then why are you staff/mod on gwlegacy?
I also think pleikki should be moderater there aswell
we should also bring the proffesion build section there aswell so people can post builds there.

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

18 May 2016 at 08:51 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by OS T

then why are you staff/mod on gwlegacy?
I also think pleikki should be moderater there aswell
we should also bring the proffesion build section there aswell so people can post builds there.

Id love ikki to be a mod.

I'm a mod because... Well, because I was the second or third person to register and Kevin just promoted me. I'm not intending to do anything moddy. I'll ask Kevin to un-mod me if it'll help.

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And it's very much a work in progress. It will evolve and change over time.

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There's even talk of a complete custom design from the ground up, which will take some time to implement. Be patient while we figure that out.

And we're still looking at bringing content across.... But I have no idea how that might work.

OS T

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/E

18 May 2016 at 08:58 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Id love ikki to be a mod.

I'm a mod because... Well, because I was the second or third person to register and Kevin just promoted me. I'm not intending to do anything moddy. I'll ask Kevin to un-mod me if it'll help.

that would deff put me on board if you get un-modded.

@dwa:I actually really like the color scheme on gwlegacy. I really like darkened themes since its easier on the eyes.

thing is tho as someone mentioned before,it will probably split the community in half,and the community shouldnt really split more up.
But if we were to go to gw2guru a moderater from gw1 should be allowed to add sections to look like gw1 having a own section and not a fraction on that site.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

18 May 2016 at 09:10 - 18

There is also small glimmer of hope for ppl fearing all info and knowledge is soon lost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kvinna

I'm still trying to get the entire forum archived, but I can't make any promises. It's better to not get your hopes up, though.

lorenna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ireland

[bAd]

Mo/

18 May 2016 at 09:12 - 19

It doesnt matter which option people go with, either way returning players wont know where to go. At least with our own solution we can make it as we like and advertise and push it. We arent restricted.
I told some people yesterday that the GW1 section was now up on GW2Guru and they couldnt find it. I had to specifically point it out to them because it isnt clear and we are literally flung in as an afterthought. That isnt a solution.

vampiretrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

Belgium

Gods of Mortals [gwam]

W/A

18 May 2016 at 09:12 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by OS T

I also hate that gw is beeing moved to gw2 guru.I deff see the the private site better. Tho Im not sure how I feel with max as staff/rest of phd in the driving seat,atleast on gw2guru they dont have control.

Kevin here, technical guy behind Legacy.

Max is not in charge - the only reason he has the [Staff] rank is because he is helping us set the site up. There will be other moderators too, in fact, we're still working on that. Everybody who was a mod here and you guys feel should be a mod too, will probably become a mod too. Give us some time.
All big decisions will be made together - we're not going to allow people to go crazy with power

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

EDIT: @Max: Any possibility of a dedicated presearing section? If you want to bring in a larger group, then you can maybe try to offer a home to the orphaned presearing.com users

Already added! You can find it on https://www.guildwarslegacy.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=26. Still need to add some child forums though, but working on it right now

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Belle Dwayna

I do agree with Pleikki. I think you went too fast in taking a decision to do something.

My personal opinion : your new forum is far to be ready, I hope it'll be improved. And just because of the theme of the forum, I don't even want to create an account. I know it's a personal feeling, but legacy forum is not easy on the eye. Answers are to be found between name, avatar and more, what make the navagition not user-friendly.

I hope anyway to see the community moving together to see the adventure going on

I understand your feelings - we were doubting to release it as soon as we did, but we felt it for the best to get started as soon as we can. That way, we can try to recover as much content as we can.
We're working hard on improving the site, don't worry on that. We're working together with people to include their own resources/tools into our site to provide things that Guru hasn't got. I'm also working on a theme that will solve the issues that you have - I used an available theme to get the site up and running as soon as possible. Once you have registred though, you can pick another theme which will solve your issues (it'll have a light/dark setting for example).

Quote:

Originally Posted by OS T

then why are you staff/mod on gwlegacy?
I also think pleikki should be moderater there aswell
we should also bring the proffesion build section there aswell so people can post builds there.

The people with staff ranks are people that are currently helping us out getting the site ready - be it with content creation/recruitment, technical stuff or more general stuff. Once everything is done, the staff ranks will probably be redistributed to those who effectively do day to day tasks.
Moderators (which is a different rank compared to staff) will be added soon. If you feel you're up to the job and if you have a good track record here, I don't see why it should be an issue to get the same rank at Legacy.

The profession build section is currently being discussed and will be added soon. Right now we've splitted it in between PvE/PvP, but more is coming soon obviously.

In general, I feel it best to not put Guild Wars content on a Guild Wars 2 site. They are completely different, the only thing they share is the name. I wouldn't go looking for GW content on a GW2 site. I simply wouldn't think about it. And how would it work good on a site completely dedicated to GW2? It's out of place and it doesn't belong there. But that's just my feeling.

- Kev

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

There is also small glimmer of hope for ppl fearing all info and knowledge is soon lost

I'm also looking into this. Don't worry, we're working on a solution

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

18 May 2016 at 09:29 - 21

In addition to what has been said up till now. As this is a new site with a new beginning. This also means that there is a much higher chance of getting those guild wars related forum features and functions you always wished for but never got on GWG and probably wont get on GW2G due to the mixed game nature of the site.

Ive started a new thread on the GWL for this. If you want new features, now is the time to request if they are possible;

https://www.guildwarslegacy.com/showthread.php?tid=30

Ham Rock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2009

the Netherlands

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Mo/

18 May 2016 at 11:36 - 22

I'd love to give gw2 guru a try but seeing how I still can't create an acc it is looking less and less appealing to me. Not the best time to have problems with registration curse!

anywho, I'll probably make two accounts (when I can), one on each site. We'll see how it develops.

~Em

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 11:42 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

There is also small glimmer of hope for ppl fearing all info and knowledge is soon lost

I'm also saving some info/knowledge. I've archived 320 pages of posts on my computer by ripping the HTML and saving it.

I also agree with Dwayna that this was all very hasty. Not necessarily a good or bad thing. Just a fact.

expugnare

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Houston, TX

The Academy [PhD]

E/A

18 May 2016 at 11:54 - 24

Has someone saved the collections thread ? So many treasures we need to make damn sure don't disappear. I'd try but I'm still traveling and have no access to a computer.

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 11:56 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by expugnare

Has someone saved the collections thread ? So many treasures we need to make damn sure don't disappear. I'd try but I'm still traveling and have no access to a computer.

That's what I saved. All 4 of them.

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

18 May 2016 at 11:57 - 26

I also agree that it was hasty. Had to be really, there's so much knowledge, info, support and data to try and save. What you see on legacy is far from the finished article.

When your house is burning down, you don't neatly organise your possessions in a box before lovingly loading them into a car... You just chuck it all in as fast as you can, then worry about organising it later. Time to do it carefully was a luxury we don't have.

And I can't envisage anyone at Curse rushing to save it all before it burns.

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

18 May 2016 at 12:17 - 27

Next project for saving would be threads for farming locations (both specific loot and weekly Nick items), chestrunning and mapping help for hard to access corners.

Ill probably try to start the Nick item farming section tonight, as we might as well start from scratch to avoid out of date builds and methods (90% of them are "slap on a secondary Rit build and poop spirits at the foes until they die of boredom" anyways)
As for the other build and farming threads.. it may be a thought if all the really old junk should be taken with as 90% is completely outdated (600/smite fullclear UW anyone?). Maybe a fresh start would be advantageous, just to spare new users or old users wanting to try their hands at farming from some embarrassing attempts with outdated builds

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cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

18 May 2016 at 14:13 - 28

I'd really like the screenshot forum to be saved, armors and stuff (not to mention the project in community works that had all the dye combos, see thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...t10100290.html --wiki doesnt have half of them and then not nearly as complete as that old project was).
I am even less a techie than Max (potato is 3 steps above my ranking in computer --unless we are talking windows 98

....rusty bent nail here).

and yes, I agree the dark background is harder on my old eyes, but the white background on guru2 is just as bad (it was worse when it started in '09).

I think what will happen with the first folks is what Inde and staff did here--site contributors--to distinguish those that have made an effort to get things moving and made big contributions to the site....so right now that is called staff.

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 17:51 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I'd really like the screenshot forum to be saved, armors and stuff (not to mention the project in community works that had all the dye combos, see thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...t10100290.html --wiki doesnt have half of them and then not nearly as complete as that old project was).
I am even less a techie than Max (potato is 3 steps above my ranking in computer --unless we are talking windows 98

....rusty bent nail here).

and yes, I agree the dark background is harder on my old eyes, but the white background on guru2 is just as bad (it was worse when it started in '09).

I think what will happen with the first folks is what Inde and staff did here--site contributors--to distinguish those that have made an effort to get things moving and made big contributions to the site....so right now that is called staff.

If you pm me the links to the threads you'd like to save, I can grab the HTML for them and send it to you via email or something in a zip file or maybe have a place in a new forum to post the HTML. Maybe I'll post them on a website or a Dropbox or something.

Based on my brief explorations so far, it seems like personally having the HTML file and opening it in an internet browser on a personal computer seems like the best way to preserve the data.

I've tried it with some of
The collections thread. If I open the HTML file in Firefox on my personal computer, it literally looks like I'm on guild wars guru. But I'm not cause my URL is to my hard drive where I stored the file. The imgur images load (presumably because I'm internet connected and not because of guru still being around). This is the thing I can't confirm yet. Maybe I'll have to make a test post with a test image and delete the post after to make sure. I think that images will only load if internet connected. But it literally looks just like I'm on guru but I'm on my hard drive.

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

18 May 2016 at 20:58 - 30

HERE: the easy way to copy whole gwguru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJCL5GvkH8

u need a program called teleport pro

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 22:07 - 31

Will that work on guru? Guru has deeper than 3 links.

And is it free?

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

18 May 2016 at 22:18 - 32

um, theres several programs. some are free and some are like 20-50bucks.
I guess with the paid ones you can pretty much do evertything.
No worries, it would just copy everything in a few clicks while your method probably takes a few days.
Have fun, ill go play some hearthstone ;p

Surge goes pre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

I would never play off Occupy Wall St. for my guild name

We Are the 1 Percent

Me/

18 May 2016 at 22:20 - 33

Well my method is completely free and more fun because I get to learn new functions I don't normally use in work. I'm gonna continue my method. If someone else wants to try your way, then great.

vampiretrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

Belgium

Gods of Mortals [gwam]

W/A

19 May 2016 at 12:51 - 34

The easiest way (but requires Linux) is using wget to download an entire site. Works like a charm!

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

19 May 2016 at 15:31 - 35

well, glad all you techie types know what your doing (I usually just ask my hubby--but he is oot).

lots of stuff...so little time!

StueyG

Kamaspama

Join Date: Dec 2005

Nunya Bizness

pupu / SLAP

W/

19 May 2016 at 19:55 - 36

Sounds cool to me.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

20 May 2016 at 00:26 - 37

I can't connect to Legacy anymore. Firefox says "The page isn't redirecting properly". Other browsers won't connect either.

EDIT: It's working now.

CalinCalin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

YuM

E/

22 May 2016 at 15:29 - 38

Max.

I can do a program to migrate thread. (dont use an existing one, i mean i can migrate from their database to yours)
(pm me max)

We can do better things like :
-Web automatic update of kamadan trade chat
-Connect forum pm to ig pm
-Make automated auctions, not via forum post. (like all auctions site you may know)
-Make a graphic on items, to know easily average price.
-Ask Max to become a CSS developper and to make a mobile app.

Guru was just a forum, the only things guru had, is that everybody was on it.
But guru was bad as community was good.
we have the opportunity to change.
dunno if its useful, but it can be cool.

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2009

London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

W/N

22 May 2016 at 15:37 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalinCalin

Max.

I can do a program to migrate thread. (dont use an existing one, i mean i can migrate from their database to yours)
(pm me max)

We can do better things like :
-Web automatic update of kamadan trade chat
-Connect forum pm to ig pm
-Make automated auctions, not via forum post. (like all auctions site you may know)
-Make a graphic on items, to know easily average price.
-Ask Max to become a CSS developper and to make a mobile app.

Guru was just a forum, the only things guru had, is that everybody was on it.
But guru was bad as community was good.
we have the opportunity to change.
dunno if its useful, but it can be cool.

Yeeeeees.

Cailin, the tech guys at legacy will want to speak with you.

Pm is incoming this evening. Or maybe we'll meet ingame later...

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What you see on legacy is only the beginning to get started. Apparently there will be custom everything. Designs, layout, functionality, integration etc.

Apparently it will be very advanced and everyone's ideas are welcome. By the community for the community.

But I can barely switch a pc on, so i'm not the man to ask about it.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 May 2016 at 00:27 - 40

Can't connect to legacy again. Bad certificate this time. Anyone else?