March BWE- new changes

LoneDust

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Interesting change made on Determined Shot. It's actually more helpful to builds with low marksmanship now. Maybe that'll encourage more beast masters, wilderness and some warrior builds.

FireMarshal

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

The District Nudists

I was browsing the Warrior skills. I saw "For Great Justice" listed at 15e, isnt it 10e?

Chavi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

First, thanks for this very useful post. Sorry for bringing old discussion, but I'm going through the changes step by step and it took me a week. Now I underlined some things, I would like further explanation on. Here it goes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spura
...Caps have been put on effects that stack:...Run debuffs: 50%
Would you please explain this to me. It seems that there could be no more than half reduction of speed. At the same time Iron Mist for example states 'target foe moves 90% slower'. So I guess these 50% go to the next skill - the one that will stack - like if the foe is ALREADY slowed, Iron Mist would be capped at 50%?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spura
... Plague sending now transfers condition into adjacent AoE of the target...
I would like confirmation on this if possible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyas
Quick Shot- now elite, no longer disables skills
I would like confirmation on this as well.

Also, I'm pretty sure Grasping Earth's energy cost has been reduced to 5.

Best regards and Thanks in advance folks!

Zrave

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

I'm 70% sure plague sending does transfer as an adjacent AoE, and 100% sure that quick shot disables your attack skills for 2 seconds.

Nash

Nash

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sweden

The Cornerstone

GWBot has it as area effect, GWOnline doesn't. Though, I think GWOnline is wrong here.

Sausaletus Rex

Sausaletus Rex

Death From Above

Join Date: Dec 2004

Hmm, okay, I've noticed discrepancies between our listing and others. Not to mention general confusion. Now, I was very thorough when going over the skills (Which was done late Friday), double and even tripple checking to make sure things were right, but I'm certainly willing to admit I made an error or oversight. There's also the possibility that reality and skill descriptions aren't matching up yet.

Anyhow, here's the things I've notice so far. Anyone able to confirm or deny such things unequivicably?

-For Great Justice! : 10 energy instead of 15?
-Grasping Earth : 5 energy instead of 15?
-Quick Shot : Locks attack skills for 2 seconds?
-Plague Sending : AoE when a condition is transfered?
-Thrill of Victory : Acting odd, linked to something (I raised every attribute, didn't see any effect on the skill even though it had a variable green number) and causing health gain rather than more damage?
-Vampiric Gaze : 10 energy instead of 15?

Bgnome

Bgnome

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

another one that was brought up in my build thread was the elite status of greater conflagration. it is listed as elite on this site, but not elsewhere..

Nash

Nash

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sweden

The Cornerstone

This thread over at Guild Hall discusses current state of Thrill of Victory.

Zrave

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

I can confirm that Vampiric Gaze costs 10 energy.

Plague Touch doesn't have AoE that I know of. Rather we were discussing Plague Sending - I guess it was a measure to differentiate them.

Also he was commenting on "For Great Justice!" instead of "To the Limit!". I'm fairly certain "For Great Justice!" costs 10 energy

Sausaletus Rex

Sausaletus Rex

Death From Above

Join Date: Dec 2004

Yep. I goofed on those. That's what I get for relying on memory when editing a post...

Dreamsmith

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyas
Another change: with attribute points, when leveling up, you now get 5 per level from 1-10, 10 per level from 11-15, and 20 per level from 16-20.
Hmm. Going from 1-10, you level up 9 times, going from 10-15, you level up 5 times, and going from 15-20, you level up 5 times. 9 * 5 = 45, 5 * 10 = 50, and 5 * 20 = 100. 45 + 50 + 100 = 195. Where'd the other 5 points go? I'm guessing you actually get 10 points when you hit level 10, not 5 as the above description says, but if anyone knows for sure, that'd be nice...

Zrave

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

hrm you start out with 5?

Dreamsmith

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zrave
hrm you start out with 5?
Nope. You start as a level 1 character with zero attribute points, you get your first 5 attribute points when you achieve level 2.

Sausaletus Rex

Sausaletus Rex

Death From Above

Join Date: Dec 2004

Yeah, there's a mystery 5 AP somewhere. I'm guessing you get them as some kind of quest reward.

Remember that at one point you were only supposed to get 5 AP a level, period. The rest would come from completing missions and other quests. That left a bit of a gap and the idea of characters gaining more than that at 16~20th level was put in place shortly before the WPE so that people who actually got to 20th level weren't running around with 95 AP (Which I've done and believe me, it's no fun). Why 16th through 20th? Well, for the WPE everyone started at level 15.

It's another instance of a quick-fix becoming the status quo. Personally, I like it as it makes for a better progression and few "dead" attribute levels. Although it totally spoils my "optimum attribute allocation" tables...

Shrapnel_Magnet

Shrapnel_Magnet

Pirate?

Join Date: Feb 2005

British Columbia, Canada

Idiot Savants

R/

Not sure if you guys covered this... but don't you get skill points for doing missions and such? Or have they removed that?

Bgnome

Bgnome

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

you get a skill point and 1000xp for completing the primary mission and another skill point and 1000xp for completing the secondary mission.

Chavi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

Thanks to all that replied. I took a look at my PvP character creation screenshots. These were taken at the VERY end of March BWE (like 5 or so minutes before the end, while Gwen was spelling Doom around)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
Anyone able to confirm or deny such things unequivicably?
-For Great Justice! : 10 energy instead of 15?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
-Grasping Earth : 5 energy instead of 15?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
-Quick Shot : Locks attack skills for 2 seconds?
I can't say about the description, but if you take a closer look you can see it's icon has the Elite sign. That's why I'm eager to know the exact effect:

Chavi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sorry, needed to split because of the image attachment limit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
-Vampiric Gaze : 10 energy instead of 15?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bgnome
another one that was brought up in my build thread was the elite status of greater conflagration. it is listed as elite on this site, but not elsewhere..
Elite sign on icon here as well:

Sausaletus Rex

Sausaletus Rex

Death From Above

Join Date: Dec 2004

Ah, very nice Chavi. And thanks everyone else. The skills have been updated yet again. I'll chalk it up to last minute changes or my own incompetance. Anything else anyone's noticed that's incorrect still?

Zrave

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Hrm Thrill of Victory has a recharge now, I believe. 5 seconds maybe?

Disrupting Chop is 6 adrenaline now

Sausaletus Rex

Sausaletus Rex

Death From Above

Join Date: Dec 2004

Thrill of Victory does have a 5 second recharge. It was in my notes and it was correct on the individual page, I just forgot to update that on the full skill listing. Should be right now.

Anyone else confirm Disrupting Chop?

Chavi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex
Anyone else confirm Disrupting Chop?
100% - 6 Adrenaline - Screenshot verified

Chavi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

During the Scandinavian BWE I was able to confirm that Quick Shot is indeed Elite, without additional change in skill effect, and Plague sending indeed sends to ajacent foes. I took a shot of Feral Lunge as well, because I didn't have it's icon and now I've noticed that it's 5 energy (can't see recharge on shot tho). Can anyone of you alphas give info, please, or it's still under NDA?