No chance for america

Its for money not a game. People do that everyday.

America does have a Chance...
Dream
Believe
Surprise.

is what will BoA Do!
Go BoA [ A-net Dont RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO Them UP like pRp.. i was Dissapointed ]
When i used to play every day i spent atleast 4 hours every weekday and like 7 straight no eat on weekends >_> for quite awhile but that has changed.


I'm a Gamer I Have Many Lives

Arturo it states in the interview:
"We believe the highest rankers in Europe and the US are our biggest competitors. High rankers such as EP, EW, Te, and Val play in a different time zone, so we do not really know much about them and their battle style. For this reason, battles against them will come as a challenge for us."

So with their time difference it roughly translates to about 7am - 1pm EST and 2am - 9am. So while there might be some overlap... I don't think the top guilds are playing during those hours. Well, at least I don't sign on to play at 7am in the morning. I just believe that they haven't seen "much" of the american team.

I also go for WM, they are a legendary guild and I wish them good luck
Watchign the match between pRp vs EP and I also think pRp should have won :/

If you are suprised about WM, then check out this article on Korea and Gaming from a Westerner's point of view.

http://rossignol.cream.org/?p=284

Its long but worth the read, he even visits NCSofts HQ in Seoul. In summury though, if you are very good at games, you are a celebrity in Korea.

I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the tournament or the prizes when they first began WM and started practicing religiously. Still, even if someone payed me 50k a year, I wouldn't give up my social life.

I do not understand why my previous post was removed when it corrected a misunderstanding toward pRp and EP.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=106238

Anyway, perhaps I was not on topic enough.

I really would like to see iQ vs WM, although I doubt iQ have coordination like WM, their build was very solid and they do have quite a few talented people within that guild. I did not and still do not understand the big praise for Te, perhaps I am now just bias.

I really want to see the iQ vs EP, mainly due to that iQ's previous opponent did not last long enough to see some real talent+training from both side.

If EP run WM's build again, it would certainly be fun to watch how iQ's build will work on WM's build in a small simulation. I was also hoping to see iQ's build vs ranger spike. (Already saw how WM's build go up against ranger spike)

I think the point is that in Korea, they look at video games the same why we look at professional sports. In North America, the winner of the finals for GW will almost certainly not make the news anywhere except maybe some gaming magazines; in Korea, the whole match will probably be seen on live TV. The prize money ($6250 per person, assuming it is only split among the 8 people who play in the finals), is a pittance compared to what they are hoping to (or already do) get in corporate sponsorship money. The link posted by perfect notes that a guy gets paid 200K+ a year to play Starcraft.

I think the question isn't if someone paid you 50k a year, would you give up your social life, the question is, if you could get paid 50k a year for playing GW and have the equivalent social status and social life of a professional athlete, movie star, whatever, would you take it?

All the Korean games I have seen on observer mode, the Euros and Yanks games are there also.....I don't believe that they will be going in blind....Don't buy it a'tall.

All the Koreans need to do is figure out how to run IWAY and iQ is dead meat

Preach it brother!

Yeah but if anyone remembers the movie "The Hulk" no matter what strategy the army used it didn't matter because of the Hulks' beefy strength


All kidding aside...I don't believe any matches are going to be 5 minute lanslide victories between War Machine or anyone else. They mayb be the best but when you are at the top the difference between the best and second best is a very fine line.

I highly doubt that they haven't seen them play.

The matches played by Te, EW, and the others top guilds stay up on observer mode for many hours. It is inconceivable that WM has not watched each and every tournament match so far. People with their dedication will "Know thy enemy"; that means studying every potential enemy. Observer mode allowed those games to stay up long enough to account for any time zone overlap. And only one person needs stay awake to FRAPs it.

It would be lunatic for anyone to "go in blind"; the tournament matches alone put their strategy and builds on display for all opponents to study. I'm willing to bet that members of American and Euro guilds found an hour to watch the Korean matches at some point. They were all up for long enough.

That said, Te. Not only better than EP, but without the arrogance! Silly EP, Izzy is the Meta!

If I could even make 50k per year playing GW it would not interrupt my social life at all. I wouldn't have a job anymore. I think I can handle 4-6 hours of practice per day, corporate sponsers, and get tourney payouts.

There are proffesional gamers out there. I know a guy that paid for his lawyers degree with EQ accounts. This is not a new concept.

Ask yourself would you rather be at a job or playing GW?

lol! Thanks for the poem! Although.. I don't know if you want to label Trex as the savior.. he bites.

And yep, Izzy is definitely the metagame.

Haha, that does have some truth... Energy denial? what energy? what's that? does it taste good?

(it would defintely be more complicated thou)

Also, yea, nice new version of lord's prayer ^^; missing the last few line thou.

Oh gawd now I know we are in trouble.


After watching all of the best guilds play I see an awful lot of simularity in builds, calling it strategy and tactics running back n forth between flag runs I'm not so sure is strategy and tactics. After watching this back n forth bs for over an hour and a half I would say it all boils down to a missed button push or some mistake going forwards instead of backwards. I certainly don't see the big whoopla of GvG like say maybe a "relic run" which I think takes more strategy and tactics than these GvG maps do. They are boring as hell to watch for the most part except when someone finally makes a mistake and the end is near.

Put some excitement and fear into these GvG battles, put a timer on and the team with the most kills or most relic runs in say 60 minutes wins. Auto rezzes every two minutes. I think relic runs would be the most hilarious to watch because of people trying to stop the runners before getting to the end of it. Watching the teams capping the tower back n forth is about the only entertainment in the whole battle until someone makes a mistake then the final few minutes are entertaining.

Also $50,000 divided 8 ways is a little over $6000 each, hardly enough to quit your day job. And gamers who watch this stuff are hardly impressed by sponsor material vs sponsors of say football teams or atheletes. You think I would buy some T-Shirt with WM on it? lol Only an idiot would do something like that. I also have to believe in all fairness that WM should and would share the prize money with the "entire" guild that participated through the tournament. Not just the 8 that are allowed in the finals. So, that would spread the money out even more.

After watching all of the guilds play though, even as boring as it is to watch, I still favor the Koreans, but, this will be much like the superbowl and the words : "On Any Given Sunday" meaning any team is beatable if the conditions are right and luck is not in their favor.

I hope iQ wins. They diserve to win, seriously.

What Red Sonya point is the big problem with most games like this.

These battle do not have too much strategy aside making builds (thats the only strategy), the rest of the part is tactic on field, and they are just small simple tactics right now.

I am already disappointed by many RTS(real time strategy) game, where I lost the sense of any strategy at all (micro > you).

However, GW got alot of potential for strategy and tactics, and however again, there are VERY FEW who are well trained in art of strategy out there playing games like this. I can point out a few, but that might put me on disadvantage in the future.

These strategy people are often too caught up in their own world of thoughts that they are often not absorb in the guilds either. Even if they did, they are powerless to do anything because most often they do not carry the authority or they know their guild mate just want to have "fun".

Strategy is a proffesional field, not a game any longer. You do not strategize heavily unless your life depend on it, that's the typical mentality. Strategy require time (to think) and training (learn the way to think), a thing that most do not have/aquire.

For now, lets just see who got the faster and better tactician and technical personals ^^ (tactician -> people who run the battle field's pace, technical -> people who work on build and test effeciency)

Koreans are notoriously obsessive about gaming. The country has a population of about 45 million, it's estimated that one HALF of the entire population either plays, watches, or both, games on TV, at live sponsored events, etc. Players are professional. Snack food bags have their faces on them. It's on TV, in newspapers, magazines, radio...everywhere. There are LAN centers on practically every street corner. They have been playing computer games (console, arcade, PC, etc) as long or longer than most of the world, including the US.

While it's great to have pride in your country's teams, don't dismiss the Koreans at all.

One thing that confuses me... How can it be that one of WMs warriors is wearing TWO pieces of knight armor (rest glad), when they don't stack? 1 piece of Knight and rest glad is much more effecient.
Guess that just proves that Koreans focus less on the build itself:P

_Zexion

there's something that you need to realize regarding the difference in culture.

it's been mentioned before, but korean professional gaming leagues function the same way professional athletic leagues do here. pro gamers are sponsored and paid yearly to play games. their main source of income doesn't come from tournament winnings, but corporate sponsorship. i doubt that wm is playing for the cash prize. their going for the prestige of world champions and the resulting raise in their salaries.

gaming is huge in korea and is treated much like professional sports are here. you would call someone an idiot for buying a wm t-shirt, but what would you say about someone who buys a t-shirt with the logo of his favorite sports team? isn't that essentially the same thing? what about the guy that pays $100+ for an "authentic" jersey with his favorite player's name on it. that would be equally as idiotic then, since all they are paying for is the name. not much of a difference.

from the way it sounds, the wm team consists of pro gamers. they are paid to do this stuff daily. it's not just a game for them. it's their job. it'll be hard to beat that, but it can be done.

with that said, i think i'm in the wrong country...

You might be mistaken one of them for the Stoneskin gauntlet.

Maybe they haven't, I don't know. I just have a hard time thinking people who play in the gaming atmosphere that Korea has wouldn't game film their opponents. Then again, that could be part of their strategy, don't worry about the other team, worry about yours.

lol, I kept on getting err messages while posting this thread, so i just gave up. I had no idea that it had actually been posted or that it had become so huge!

They are probably wearing stoneskin gauntlets,
Altho from the games ive watched the warriors only use gale, and KD length is capped at 3 seconds, so things like gale and backbreaker gain no benefit from stoneskins, not 100% sure, but if they are using shock stoneskin helps.