Stop hating the paladins

I have been a member of this site since the end of last year, and almost every week I see someone posting negativ things about paladins. Now I have a paladin/ w/mo build, and for me that works just fine. I mysleff came up with my skills setup and didn't get any help at all with it. My warrior use swords aswell people allways say that swords sucks compare to axes. So my warrior should suck godly, but in matter of fact he is pretty strong all-round.

Here is my skill list:

Mending, heal signet, Seeking blade, Galrath Slash, Final Thrust, Gladiator's defnse, Shiled Stance, Bonetti's Defense.

I use swords of each type of ele dmg. All with 15^50% and +5armor(VS. all)

I just want to say with this thread, paladins don't have to suck, even if they use swords.

Just ignore them.

Any build that's used too much apparently sucks and everyone must hate it.

Even team builds, e.g.: IWAY.

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A good example is the below post.

Are you using that build in PVP? Then, I'm sorry to say it, but your build does suck. If you're only using it for PVE, then I think most of the anti-paladin comments aren't meant for you anyway.

The only reason people dislike them is because they are everywhere. Heck i had one for a while, and I still kinda got annoyed at how many there are.

nahh, that build is ONLY for PvE, when my warrior goes PvP, I make him into a w/e pure dmg.

i like how you got 3 stances to keep you alive but once/if your the only one left you cant rez anyone

You should have specified this was a PVE build at the beginning,as that being the case it's a perfectly viable build.W/Mo's need not suck in pvp either,they're just badly played so much it seems that way..but tell me,when you see one on the opposing team in the tombs,do the words 'Flawless Victory' not appear in your head?

Well in pvp....

Imagine you being the...err..monk...

Imagine 4 angry oppenents all targeting you, you heal yourself for a bit, the enemies take 2 casualties (almost at the same time, cuz no one is calling), then you die.

On the other side there are no wa/mo's and the 2 remaining players rez sig their mates.

On your side you have 3 wa/mo's who are furiously slashing a necro with Life Transfer (ZOMG HE WON'T DIE).

And you wait....and wait....and wait....no rez....another wa/mo goes down, the oppenents necro goes down....o wait he's up again, he gets rezzed.

And it takes ages and ages for them to kill the last 2 wa/mo's, cause they go in healing mode......

that's basically very biased in the arena's, but unfortunately the wa/mo is a favorite build there for those who just begun.... so that's where the hate comes from.

Anyone who doesn't hate IWAY needs to be beaten with as large a stick as possible. And people with sucky builds need to learn how to take some criticism instead of complain about recieving it.

uh......he said hes PVE, his above build is nice for PVE, (id say add gash-bleeding is always nice)

bout the only time this build could get thrashed in PVE is against the later warriors that carry Wild Blow and ruin stances...

The truth about the paladin template in PVP (not hating on u in any way, this is the real truth) is they're so easy to kill, yeah-ez

Remove mending, BB paladin, if they healing hands then dont use melee or remove it 2...a modified paladin such as ur build could do considerably better

And the paladin is mostly hated in GVG and HOH, cuz at least 1 person (if not every caster) will carry some kind of enchantment removal, in Competition Arenas where it's all random and ppl aren't smart enough, mending can work quite well

I couldn't agree more with the OP.
There is a paladin's hatred around here. Not only here but also in-game.
When you are a paladin (whatever is your build), you tend to be mucked, picked at, and called noob whatever you do or don't (especially in PVP).
And I try to fight this hatred wherever I go, and to play as good as I can as a whammo (when I play one). And I have not only one paladin, but 6 diverses characters such as Me/N, N/Mo, W/R, R/El. The W/Mo one I play is just my prefered, that's all.
The paladin is the most chosen because it is the only one that can easily ( I say easily - others can too) solo the whole PVE game.
Big armor + Heal self + hex/condition removal makes him self-sufficient and adaptable.
But when it comes to PVP or group PVE, he is not better than any other W/X.
After all a monk will heal/remove far better than him, a warrel can boost its defense/damage a lot better, etc...
There is a lot of whammos, and so numerically a lot of unexperienced , let us call "noobs" ones too.
There is a few mesmers, and numerically, a few noob mesmers too. But if you come with proportions I think it's the same "noob percentage".
I have seen so many mesmers in PVP/E with no hex/enchant shattering although they were domination-full, so much blood necros without strip enchantments (who I remind you steal twice what steals Vampiric gaze)!
I hope the mending whammo racism will cease one day, but it is now well rooted in the "experienced GW player" culture.
And whammos are not using mending/Healing prayers all the time!
There are so many differents builds you can do with a whammo!
A Protector (10 prot) who bonds the monks because he uses few mana is fine! I used something like that to PVE:
Rez, Aegis, Life Bond, Mend Ailment, Executionner's, Eviscerate, Axe Rake, Dolyak. I bonded the prot monk then was following my aegis with its one, so we had a very long lasting aegis for each battle!
You can also do the Templar (10 smite)!
REz signet, Purge signet, Holy wrath, Battle rage, Disrupting chop, Penetrating blow, Executionner's.
Just put Holy wrath on you and another tank, use battle rage to rush and spam attack skills, eventually Purge someone severely conditionned/hexed.

So please, stop whammo's beating. They can be quite useful and come with very decent build/skills. And there are noobs anywhere, among whammos as well as among monks.

Some paladins are good, I don't mind in CA playing as a monk if I see someone using a paladin and are new at the game. It's good when you see a teammate politely ask the paladin to maintain Mending on them instead as they'll go down faster, and to have the paladin oblige.

And if you get really angry at losing in CA then there's something wrong :P.

Although I realise that this is more a PvP discussion, where Paladins can be fairly effective, unless you need to take someone down a bit faster, or you need a ranged attack.

well for pve i dont think anyone can disagree when i say w/mos are great. they can farm, run, tank, and do a lot of dmg if built right.

its a bit different for pvp. most W/Mos use mending, healing breeze, healing hands, or something like that. when i use my W/Mo in CA, the only monk skills i bring are holy veil and mend ailment. contrary to what most people think, i believe the idea for the Mo secondary is so that you can take care of the hexes and conditions (especially blind) on you as opposed to focusing on healing yourself. most newbies dont know this of course, since the premade build puts a great deal of emphasis on healing.

Now about IWAY. you shouldnt be hating the build, you should be hating the fame farmers that use the build. Personally I love the build. Yea, i'm mad that pvp is really unoriginal now, but that doesnt change the fact that IWAY is a really cool build.

So think about what you're saying b4 you say you hate something next time.

oh STFU plz.
w/mos are good for pvp and pve
the mo part isnt even necessary, but helps in pve for soloing.

i use a paladin like build in CA arenas though using 3 stances really help out alot!!! the truth is its ezier to play then other warriors and with some of the health maintanence paladins can stay alive longer if played smartly. just b/c tsomeone uses mending when they are a w/mo doesnt make them a n00b, heck mending can save ur butt alot of times in CA with all the health degen going around, now +3 isnt much but its still usually enuff

Well I think the W/E's suk, a waste of a 2ndary if all you're going after is a KD spell of Gale. Now a W/N with strip enchantment and a nice heal besides on the other hand with a sword thas the ticket and every other class combo suks. bwahahaha I can't count the number of 105/55 build monks I have fudged up in PVP with my warrior. heh heh heh

Reminds me of a song by Freddy Fender: "Wasted Gales and Wasted Knights" hehe

Why does IWAY suck if it does actually win quite a lot, even in a near almost organized team it can.

And you should get out a large stick then as I don't hate IWAY. Only type of Player I hate in the PvP Region of the game are just people in TA who just get 1 kill in the most-kills wins arena and then just run and they still end up getting killed and the other team wins.

Why? It isnt like iway is hard to beat. The reason I think people get mad at iway is that they spend 45 min putting there group together and get beaten by a group that spent 5 min making theirs.

paladins do not suck, infact, you'd be suprised how well they do when ran properly :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6278&q=mending

this is a video of 7 premade paladins (we swamped out restore life for res signet) and a fighter henchman taking out an IWAY group

if you know what you're doin' (like in knowing why you use those 8 skills) any build can be good...

The main problem with Paladins in PvE, in my opinion, is that they put points into Healing Prayers. I'd rather have them focus on Tactics for damage mitigation. I can handle the healing better than they can and they can handle damage mitigation better than me (unless I'm specced Protection, of course).

But that's not such a huge deal. Player skill is much more important than builds. Paladins can work very well in PvE and PvP. Even if the build isn't perfect, as long as the player knows what he's doing, it will usually work out.

I;m not fond of w/mo and w/r not because they get used alot it comes from bad experiences of some (not all) who feel they're invincible and don't do what the party leader wishes in order to acomplish the aims of the group. I am, however, quite partial to w/me because they can dish out a large amount of damage and aren't that egocentric.

Cmon man, an IWAY group with a Shadow of Fear Necro likely isn't up to much..but your right,any team with 8 competent players fully aware of their roles will always have a degree of success.

One time I was using w/mo in CA with hammer + smiting + condition removal. I was accused of being a w/mo noob with mending... I just ignored the guy (from my team too! and he said that after 3rd round of our wining; if the fragment of hope for human race is going to be shatter, I think this is one of the reason).

There are different skills and different class combo's for a reason. To be what you want to be and not what someone else says you should be. I think everyone needs to put that at the top of their "ORDERS" list. But, in games like this without a true FREE FOR ALL FEATURE it brings about ELITISTS and that's when a game starts falling fast. And I like IWAY as well, though I only tried it once just to see what all the fuss was about and I saw no reason for the fuss myself. A well built team is just a well built team, a well built team with intelligence behind the build, now that is something to marvel at. MATH is impressive using the IWAY feature, I've seen countless others using it I just laughed at.

the reason for all the hatred is the general impression that people who play wamos give. they seem to be mentally challenged chavs.

also, there's just way too many paladin players who have no idea about what they're doing. I'm not saying all wamos are like that, but due to the trends in GW it seems that it's only AOL'ers and chavs that play paladins.

Since when did GW have a paladin class? w/mo=w/mo
I'm going to add paladin to the most hated word thread!

paladins or w/mo's are unfairly scapegoated to all losses and WIDE generalizations are made to ANY w/mo...

Yeah, I didn't have a problem with W/Mo's until I actually started looking around for people to do missions with. That was when I saw 4/5 warriors had Monk secondary. And that half of them ended up on my team, put mending on, and rushed off to their deaths (and the failure of the mission) When I said something, I got "shut up u noob, ur just a gay ranger" (Direct quote. I swear on my life.) This was back before Rangers slowly were becoming more accepted, so any character that wasn't a Tank Nuker or Monk was instantly dismissed as someone with a brain disfunction or homosexual tendencies. (I'm straight, just for the record) I don't dislike W/Mo's in general. In fact, one of the most useful guys I ever played with was a W/Mo, who saved our asses so many times with rebirth while doing Villiany of Galrath I lost count. But, I'm not going to deny that most of them are brick-stupid and are more plentiful then hippies who smoked weed were in the 60's. Granted, you did find the non-weed smoking hippies, who I suppose you can compare to the good W/Mo's, but they were and are few and far between. Just the way it is.

1) If u strong then people will hate u.
2) If u having fun, u can careless what other says.
3) If u think XXX build sux, don't use it!
4) If u keep flaming other, then u are a loser.

^_^`

this is what judges insight is for. most necros pick the armor that is weak agaisnt holy. i exploit that. only reason ive been playing my warrior as a w/mo lately.

and someone else pointed out that putting points into tactics is more beneficial than putting points into healing prayers. well thats not so true for pvp. unless im tanking a warrior there is almost no reason to have a single tactics skill in pvp. in fact tactics is really only usefull for stance farming. and a r/mo is a better tank for stance farming than a warrior anyway. why? because they can use skills while using their defensive stances. its so nice to be able to set a trap while you tanking 20 enemies. r/w can really rock as a stance farmer too.

One of the characters I run is a W/E the only one I have finsihed the game with. I still use him and he is called for by my guild for FoW and Tombs. I also use him for farming as he is pretty much unstoppable in some solo areas and can take down twenty minoutars at a time. (Yes- the low level minoutars but what the hey).

He carries a staff to raise energy, runs Armour of Earth, then Earthquake, then Aftershock. Restarts Armour of Earth, switches to Hammer, run Bonnetti's defense, then Knockdown, then Aftershock. I've watched 20 minoutars drop at the same time doing this.

This build works great in FoW or SF when I hold the gear or the book, they beat on me all day and the healers have no trouble keeping me healthy although I need to throw in endure pain at times.

My warrior served his purpose, I pull him off the shelf when I need him or feel like solo farming

Alright, I'll make you a deal. Stop making the pallys and I'll stop hating.

There is nothing wrong with a Sword Warrior.... But the Paladin build just isn't good. =/

ROFL-I about fell out of my chair after viewing this, MENDING PWNS IWAY!!!

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer
in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat ltteres are at the rghit pcleas. The rset can be a toatl mses
and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by ilstef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Case and point for all you native english speakers.......

back on topic, People dont hate W/Mo's its really justa few people stirring up the trouble... its always the majority run by the minority.
The reason for this alleged hate is that in pvp the prebuilt paladin build is what most people who just want to go up and whack away will pick.(as opposed to planning out and thinking before they take action) If you know how to play your build and you dont ignore calls and such by all means continue on playing it and ignore the complainers.

i hate wammos cause they are ineffecient in pvp, pve its fine use all the self healing and stances you want, you are there to be a human shield. in pvp putting attributes in healing prayers and wasting skill slots for healing skills really deminishes your offense, which is what a pvp war is used for. in pve the people who use wammos are 90% newbs, the rare 10% are really good but the chances are against you

LMAO, you just made my night with that! I've seen it, that's why it's so funny XD

But, seriously, people see the W/Mo throw Mending on themselves and they INSTANTLY know that that person is exactly like the WamMo Selfmendingers that plague the CA. They have probably been burned so many times by players that DON'T think about their team that it's made them bitter towards all those that bear the same job as those that have slighted them. So, basicly, it's nothing personal, it's just revenge.

Honestly, if they can't tell the difference between a good player and a bad player, you don't really want to group with them anyway.

On the other hand, just a recomendation, proper spelling and grammer (or at least very close to it) will go a long way in helping you get into a party.

Is this really a W/Mo thread? And it didn't turn into a flamefest yet?

Where are the good ol' flamers? Ahhhh, GWguru is not the same it was some months ago.

Why not?

Because in a proper PvP build, each one of the 8 players has a specific role to play. It's the warrior's job to apply pressure/damage/kill things. It's the monks job to heal/protect/smite things, and so on and so forth. You don't make a warrior that kills/damages/strips enchantments and heals.

An IWAY team without res sigs is something to be ashamed of.

You should really tell War Machine about this, I don't think they know.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to what they do then.