The Helmet that will never be chosen!

Takkun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Gladiator's Helm: The Right Choice
Energy +1
Armor:80
Tactics +1
Armor + 20 (vs. Physical Attacks)

Tactician's Helm: The Wrong Choice
Armor:80
Tactics + 1
Armor + 20 (vs. Physical Attacks)

Im sorry, but who in their right mind would take the Tactician's Helm? It looks the same, and doesn't have the +1 Energy! And I don't know of any tactics that would be worsened by having more energy!

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Just like profession armor with subpar or even worse-than-collector armor stats. Nobody would buy it in their right mind unless they liked the look of it or thought they couldn't afford the other armors (like that would happen).

Gildor Took

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, 3rd rock from the sun

Mo/

but the 15k ascalon helm looks cooler

Excer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/Me

well, i havent taken a look at the crafter yet for this matter, but have you checked the material costs? some frugal, and i mean REALLY frugal people might choose the worse helm if the materials cost less. this idea also applys to the proffesion armors that have no extra bonus other than the standard for that class. people buy it becuase its cheap. though that armor looks different so its a bit off :P

Stayfrosty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Marduke guild

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gildor Took
but the 15k ascalon helm looks cooler
quoted for truth...

Takkun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

well i'm looking at it from the PvP Character Mod Screen...

BBoy_Manchild

BBoy_Manchild

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

dayton ohio

N/Mo

that accured to me too, its strange they would have a helm like that in this game

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Takkun
Gladiator's Helm: The Right Choice
Energy +1
Armor:80
Tactics +1
Armor + 20 (vs. Physical Attacks)

Tactician's Helm: The Wrong Choice
Armor:80
Tactics + 1
Armor + 20 (vs. Physical Attacks)

Im sorry, but who in their right mind would take the Tactician's Helm? It looks the same, and doesn't have the +1 Energy! And I don't know of any tactics that would be worsened by having more energy!
i looked at that and tried to figure out wtf they were trying to do by making them cost the same and amount of same materials but one much better then the other. Why in Gods name would someone buy the helm without +1 energy!

Vilaptca

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

+1 Energy hurts your build? Swap weapons and helm to do that energy gain/loss thing that people do with the -energy weapons...

Dyeane

Dyeane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Siege Turtles [ST]

Probably unintentional, if you ask me.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Well.. gladiator reminds me of that movie, where basically you stand like a dork in an arena.

No way in hell would I want to be known as one wearing a "gladiator's" helm! A tactician sounds way cooler!

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

yeah, but technically, if you take the Tactitian's helm over the Gladiator's helm, then wouldn't that not be very tactful?

Heh, that means that the guys wearing a Tactitian's Helm are anything but XD

BBoy_Manchild

BBoy_Manchild

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

dayton ohio

N/Mo

.......... you blew my mind man WHERE AM I, im confused

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

Wait, why the hell are you using a tactics helmet in the first place? Either get the leutenant's or one of the weapon helmets. End of story.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Excer
well, i havent taken a look at the crafter yet for this matter, but have you checked the material costs? some frugal, and i mean REALLY frugal people might choose the worse helm if the materials cost less. this idea also applys to the proffesion armors that have no extra bonus other than the standard for that class. people buy it becuase its cheap. though that armor looks different so its a bit off :P
Gladiator's Helm costs less though (25 iron ingots, 16 hides, 1500g) compared to the Tactician's Helm (requires 25 iron ingots, 4 steel ingots and 1500 gold).

:| I don't get it

Gildor Took

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, 3rd rock from the sun

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinsei
Wait, why the hell are you using a tactics helmet in the first place? Either get the leutenant's or one of the weapon helmets. End of story.
if u want 16 tactics

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gildor Took
if u want 16 tactics
But the Glad's helm does it better. See? Not tactful

Manic Smile

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinsei
Wait, why the hell are you using a tactics helmet in the first place? Either get the leutenant's or one of the weapon helmets. End of story.
Not every build relies on warriors being spiker...*sigh*

Gildor Took

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Australia, 3rd rock from the sun

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by VGJustice
But the Glad's helm does it better. See? Not tactful
but racthoth uses the 15k ascalon helm

Are you saying he's not tactful?

Either you have ascalon/knight gloves or boots or you have a 15k ascalon helm. So it's alright for people to have a tactician helm if they don't have ascalon/ knight gloves or boots. Assuming everyone is tactful and knows that you only need one piece of armour reducing armour

General Typhus

General Typhus

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Behind the bush once again

Guillotine Tactics [GanK] ~ Leader

W/E

On a similar note, anyone ever taken a look at these?

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Typhus
On a similar note, anyone ever taken a look at these?

WTF!

Bast

Bast

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinsei
Wait, why the hell are you using a tactics helmet in the first place? Either get the leutenant's or one of the weapon helmets. End of story.
/Signed.

gou

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

globally warmed england

the discarnate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic Smile
Not every build relies on warriors being spiker...*sigh*
@ tactics 16
desperation blow (+42 damage and a random condition)
thrill of victory (+42 damage if you have more health than target)

+42 that is the same as executioners strike at 16 axe mastery

even Tactics warriors can spike

boxterduke

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

Both of the helms the OP lists are ugly and I would never be cought dead wearing one.
I know u can hide the head gear these days but still, I will still be able to see it in theinventory screen.
I use the ascalon helm with my gladiator set and got me the fow version of it.
Full dragon for strength
Platemail with the hex helm from denravi

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Runners.

DeanBB

DeanBB

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Arizona

Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com

Quote:
frugal, and i mean REALLY frugal people might choose the worse helm if the materials cost less
No, the truly frugal stick with the FREE collectors armor from the desert/south shiverpeaks. You can also get head gear with +1 bonuses from them.

M1h4iL

M1h4iL

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Perth, Australia

Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSDome
i looked at that and tried to figure out wtf they were trying to do by making them cost the same and amount of same materials but one much better then the other. Why in Gods name would someone buy the helm without +1 energy!
It might help if your the target of energy based skills like energy burn or energy surge to have the helm without the +1 energy

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

The real comment should be about the useless armour (everything knight's except for one piece - say the helm or boots). As long as Knight's is bugged (if you don't think it's bugged, read the recently changed descriptions in a non-north american language - non-english/spanish where it says the damage reduction is to THIS SPOT), nobody will wear a full knight's suit except for looks. Even then, they will usually change out of it (except one piece since the damage reduction has been shown to cover the entire body) when they go into an instance or pvp.

The only other reason (such as mine when I first started) is for people that do not know that the damage absorption on each piece of Knight's covers the entire body (which someone will point out to them eventually). It will be nice when they fix that (yeah I abuse it myself and wear Knight's with my platemail), so the rest of the armour will have a purpose.

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

You don't need +weapon bonuses if your job is to hold a gear and cycle stances. Hence the Tactics helm is actually useful in PvE. It's basically useless in PvE though.

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VGJustice
yeah, but technically, if you take the Tactitian's helm over the Gladiator's helm, then wouldn't that not be very tactful?

Heh, that means that the guys wearing a Tactitian's Helm are anything but XD
Tactics is applying and modifying your initial strategy during a battle. If you have only one or the other helm, that would be strategy. If you have both and switch during battle to suit the fight, that is tactics. Therefore your first sentence is wrong.

Takkun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

ugh your all dodging the issue! The fact is that in the PvP character creation there is indeed a helmet that will never be used, so why have it?

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

Not everyone is a pvp only snob. Move along please.

Sagius Truthbarron

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth
Not everyone is a pvp only snob. Move along please.
We ALL KNOW why the PvE Tactician's Armor is there, it costs less than a Gladiator's.

In PvP character creation the helm is there, and so is the Gladiator's Helm. Everything in PvP creation that you've unlocked is free, so, why is it there? It makes no sense in PvP but it does in PvE.

Not everyone pays as little attention to other people as you do. Move along, please.

Takkun is the OP, after all, he should have some idea as to what the topic is about, don't you think?