Hi there, Community!
Just wondered what everyone's guild websites were like?
Do people have frontpages or are most guilds based around forums?
Visit ours: www.theredshield.com - please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and I'm trying to construct it just using HTML and CSS from scratch (Not cheating using NetObjects etc), and this is the first site I've built - so please don't flame.
I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions anyone can give.
Thanks
Share your guilds websites...
Semiotic
Mystic Marz
We have a front page and forum. www.gw.mysticteam.com
Experiment_Jon
Wow...you bought your own domain. Cheers.
Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS.
QUESTION! How did you get that [gw] part in your domain name marz?
Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS.
QUESTION! How did you get that [gw] part in your domain name marz?
Arvais
the GW would be a subdomain. as his guild plays other games, take the gw. out and you'll see their guilds main page.
Gerbill
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Wow...you bought your own domain. Cheers.
Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS. |
I've gotten Dreamweaver lessons in College but I simply don't see the need, I am nearly twice as fast doing it just in html, another thing about Dreamweaver is alignment it often has a problem with aligning things.
Everytime I've used Dreamweaver I've always ended up editting most of it in HTML.
Though if you want to use a webdesign program, it still is the best one out there, since it hardly messes up your coding compared to other programs.
Akilles
anyone use bbedit? I used to use it but do it in dreamweaver now, I like switching from the WYSIWUG part of dreamweaver to the "code" of your website, quite nice. 
Dreamweaver is the best, but will adobe keep dreamweaver and lose GoLive (which they should) Adobe ONLY bought macromedia for Flash and its plug-ins, me thinks adobe predicts lots more flash related web experiences....which i can believe.
oh yeah....
Brothers of the Jade
Dreamweaver is the best, but will adobe keep dreamweaver and lose GoLive (which they should) Adobe ONLY bought macromedia for Flash and its plug-ins, me thinks adobe predicts lots more flash related web experiences....which i can believe.
oh yeah....
Brothers of the Jade
Gerbill
Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.
Aphrodite Sky
www.allianceknights.net
KoA has been around since 1997. It started in Diablo and then moved to UO. Branches have moved to SB, WOW, and now GW.
KoA has been around since 1997. It started in Diablo and then moved to UO. Branches have moved to SB, WOW, and now GW.
IrishAssassin
Dosham_Vel
Anya
www.clanafo.com
Multi-game website based off of forums. Our GW branch is still fairly new and small.
Multi-game website based off of forums. Our GW branch is still fairly new and small.
Akilles
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Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms. |
Fatalis
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Originally Posted by Semiotic
Visit ours: www.theredshield.com - please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and I'm trying to construct it just using HTML and CSS from scratch (Not cheating using NetObjects etc), and this is the first site I've built - so please don't flame.
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Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms. |
Also, about WYSIWYG editors like Dreamwaver — you'd do yourself a favour and earn some geek style points by staying away from them. Don't waste your time by learning how to use flawed software, as the code it outputs is unaccessible and generally bad.
Dethdeath
http://www.guildwarsarena.net
A Guild Wars fansite and the home of the Ascalon Freedom Fighters guild
A Guild Wars fansite and the home of the Ascalon Freedom Fighters guild
Gerbill
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Originally Posted by Akilles
hmmm....good tip, if i ever get time, i probably will do that, i never thought of it.
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It's just the few slower connections that are left you have to take in count...
sigh.. my college is annoying with that =P
Gerbill
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There is no CSS used there at all and the markup is a tag-soup. You should review the sources you learn of.
This does not make sense at all. Using an iframe (note the correct capitalization) has nothing to do with wether the images are cached or not. If what you describe is happening it's because of either server or client misconfiguration. And there is no such thing as "meta forms". Also, about WYSIWYG editors like Dreamwaver — you'd do yourself a favour and earn some geek style points by staying away from them. Don't waste your time by learning how to use flawed software, as the code they output is unaccessible and generally bad. |
With an iframe you won't have to load all the pictures since only the frame will have to reload itself when you click a link.
let's say there's 20 pictures making up the site, from which 2 are the content part. just click a link and see all the pictures loading again, eventhough it only takes 1 second it does happen. if you make the iframe the exact size of the 2 pictures that contain the content it will only have to reload the frame when u click a link thus only reloading 2 pictures instead of 20.
even if pictures are cached it still reloads them, takes a fraction of a second.. which is just noticeable.
Even if it's a server or client related problem the iframe will reduce the "problem"
there's something with Meta.. never used it don't know exactly what it's called, but it does a similair thing.
I agree with you on the editors, I prefer notepad =P
Sorry for the doublepost, didn't read this after I replied.
Akilles
i do agree about the WYSIWUG software, i use it to rough out what i want and then always to into the code itself to really do what i need, it is just a time saver, i would NEVER make a site on that and release it without going thru the code. Its like when i draw, i just need a quick idea of what things will look like and then i can go back and clean up. I do need to get back into more current html though, its been a while. 
Yes, once images are cached it flies, which is why i did not care really. I wanted certain fonts so i used images. I said to myself, ppl who play GW use broadband, so the ppl who visit should be the same.
Do schools really still stress about optimizing sites for 56k? its been a while and broadband was just starting to be affordable when i took the classes. the sites had to be for 800x600 screens and 56k friendly.
I do need to get back into more current html though, its been a while. Yes, once images are cached it flies, which is why i did not care really. I wanted certain fonts so i used images. I said to myself, ppl who play GW use broadband, so the ppl who visit should be the same.
Do schools really still stress about optimizing sites for 56k? its been a while and broadband was just starting to be affordable when i took the classes. the sites had to be for 800x600 screens and 56k friendly.
Fatalis
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With an iframe you won't have to load all the pictures since only the frame will have to reload itself when you click a link.
let's say there's 20 pictures making up the site, from which 2 are the content part. just click a link and see all the pictures loading again, eventhough it only takes 1 second it does happen. if you make the iframe the exact size of the 2 pictures that contain the content it will only have to reload the frame when u click a link thus only reloading 2 pictures instead of 20. even if pictures are cached it still reloads them, takes a fraction of a second.. which is just noticeable. |
Iframes are inaccessible for most search engines, some older browsers, and have usability issues like the visitor not being able to bookmark a page or copy the correct link. Basically what you're suggesting is an abuse of the iframe tag and a common newb mistake.
Edit: the site in question actually has a different set of images for each page, so it's no wonder that you see all of them reloading every time you click on a link.
Gerbill
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As I said, the browser caches the pictures and does not reload them unless either it or the HTTP server is misconfigured.
Iframes are inaccessible for most search engines, some older browsers, and have usability issues like the visitor not being able to bookmark a page or copy the correct link. Basically what you're suggesting is an abuse of the iframe tag and a common newb mistake. Edit: the page in question actually has a different set of images for each page, so it's no wonder that you see all of them reloading every time you click on a link. |
Iframes and search engines are usually a problem yes, you seem to have knowledge lol, maybe you know.
How can you make a site, with scrolling content, when you click a link you only want the content part to change. but not using an Iframe.
Because Iframes have worked for me and they're easy to use, but they do lack in certain ways.
forgotten ranger
I got a guild wars forum but it is **** it ishttp://www.guildnet.tk/
But the first 6 new registered users will become mods
But the first 6 new registered users will become mods
Fatalis
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How can you make a site, with scrolling content, when you click a link you only want the content part to change. but not using an Iframe.
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Gerbill
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By using frames, but it's still the same thing, and the drawbacks outweight the benefits of this approach by leaps and bounds. Don't use them and make proper pages instead.
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How about just using tables for your layout pictures and having a stretching content area ?
Fatalis
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So proper pages are without any frames for that matter ?
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How about just using tables for your layout pictures and having a stretching content area ?
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Gerbill
I don't think you completely understand me there.
first of all I never make the full layout and textual content with images, cuz that is as you say daft.
secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out.
you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work.
first of all I never make the full layout and textual content with images, cuz that is as you say daft.
secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out.
you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work.
Semiotic
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There is no CSS used there at all and the markup is a tag-soup. You should review the sources you learn from.
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Similarly - Considering I only started using HTML 2 days before beginning this thread, and I don't see the need to indent or space HTML to facilitate understanding (because at the moment the page is so small its easily readable), I'm not surprised its a 'tag-soup'.
I didn't start this thread to show off my web-building skills - because I dont have any - just so I could get any positive feedback and see other people's sites. Which, it seems, are generally depressingly professional looking.
Vorkronor
Semiotic,
here's a few suggestions, that should help you build your website in the easiest way.
You should start with content and structure. Let me explain that a little bit.
Step 1)
Open any decent text editor (jext, TextPad, PSPad) and start with a blank page template (so you have the correct invisible markup, that should be a part of any webpage), but try to use only the basic tags:
Step 2)
Take a pencil and a sheet of paper and draw, how you want the contents to be layed out on the page. Add images into the mix.
Step 3)
Search the web for some ideas on how to style your contents. Some usefull links can be found here
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As for some specific things, that I did not like on your page avoid text/background combination with low contrast. Black text on red background is not legible.
here's a few suggestions, that should help you build your website in the easiest way.
You should start with content and structure. Let me explain that a little bit.
Step 1)
Open any decent text editor (jext, TextPad, PSPad) and start with a blank page template (so you have the correct invisible markup, that should be a part of any webpage), but try to use only the basic tags:
- p - for paragraphs
- a - for hyperlinks
- h1 - h6 for headers
- and maybe some lists (ul, ol)
Step 2)
Take a pencil and a sheet of paper and draw, how you want the contents to be layed out on the page. Add images into the mix.
Step 3)
Search the web for some ideas on how to style your contents. Some usefull links can be found here
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As for some specific things, that I did not like on your page avoid text/background combination with low contrast. Black text on red background is not legible.
Fatalis
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Originally Posted by Gerbill
secondly I mean using img tags in the tables to align the pictures for the layout for as far as the pictures are used in the lay out.
you can of course use Div alignments or coordinates I guess, but that's a lot more work. |
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Originally Posted by Semiotic
Similarly - Considering I only started using HTML 2 days before beginning this thread, and I don't see the need to indent or space HTML to facilitate understanding (because at the moment the page is so small its easily readable), I'm not surprised its a 'tag-soup'.
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Gerbill
Alright Fatalis, CSS it is.
Do you by any chance happen to know any sites that give a proper explanation on most things about CSS ?
Do you by any chance happen to know any sites that give a proper explanation on most things about CSS ?
Fatalis
Gerbill
Aye, thanks, I better try some tutorials soon, and make a site with CSS.
Ikinsey
Heres my hand made website for my clan, MoX: http://www.moxclan.com
varyag
Araloth
http://www.tenaikpt.tk - temporarily crappy host until my leader gets back from vacation and puts it on his own domain -_-
Ingeronic
Dame&Beast
Gaiserik
[HVC] Havoc Legion
http://havoc.l2-go.com
We're new to game, about a 2 month old clan, but we all came from Lineage 2 where we owned a castle et. al.
http://havoc.l2-go.com
We're new to game, about a 2 month old clan, but we all came from Lineage 2 where we owned a castle et. al.
obSiNatee
YO! DIVINE WRATH
lea_nuhks
hello, mine is www.destroyerofguilds.com its not fancy and there isnt anything on the main page yet as i have been working on the code for the gallery and such, but i am designing my own makeshift nuke style templates for my domains to share. i also host my domains on my own server and run my own dns.
now if i could just get a hall. lol.
now if i could just get a hall. lol.
SecUnder
Hi, I would like to welcome everyone to visit my guild on the website I have spent a lot of time developing, with custom scripting, a custom template (which I am going to design many themes for), and much more like articles, a lexicon, etc etc. Our website is:
http://www.eternitylost.com
The guild is The Eternal Knights, we are an active guild of around 14 members and growing, we recently redesigned our cape (possibly one of the best looking in many peoples opinion, even outside the guild), and we have the usual guild hall and teamspeak server any established guild should have.
http://www.eternitylost.com
The guild is The Eternal Knights, we are an active guild of around 14 members and growing, we recently redesigned our cape (possibly one of the best looking in many peoples opinion, even outside the guild), and we have the usual guild hall and teamspeak server any established guild should have.
lea_nuhks
well, any guild with a website, should at least host a ts server. in fact, i would say ts would be more important than the website for coordination... forums dont hurt either