For starters, I used to own a GeForce 6200AGP. Now I have a Geforce 6800XT. The 6200 only had a 64bit interface, but the 6800 has a 256bit interface along with double the pixel pipes.
NOW, The game is very jumpy with my new videocard. The FPS are Realllllly sporadic. IT can jump from anywhere from 78 to 12fps in mere seconds. But the lag seems to be about the textures loading in the background while the game is running. I noticed this problem with the 6200 too but it wasn't as noticable as it is now.
I don't really remembering it doing that before with the previous card back in June when Sorrow's Furnace came out. But recently before and after the new card, I can actually feel and SEE the textures loading in the background. Like If I was to run up to a rock face, it would look blurry then all of a sudden, the better texture loads in. Remember that this has happened with both cards.
Running though towns also makes it even more noticable like the game waits too long before loading the stuff in, then it scrambles to load it when I get too close. Lowering the detail has no effect whatsoever. The textures still load slow.
I have tried other games with the new card and this type of thing is very minimal. Some, not at all.
So IS this because of GW? Should I reinstall the game? Get different drivers? Any advice would be helpful.
Specs:
AMD Athlon XP 2600+
1Gb Ram 512x2
WD80gb Sata150
Enermax FMA460w
78.01 Forceware Drivers
Weird issue with New Videocard and GW
Omega X
Josh
I have a similar'ish problem.
It's quite rare for it to happen, but, sometimes, my screen will look like I'm set to lowest quality, then it'll come back after about 2 seconds back to my Full Quality detail.
ATI Sapphire Radeon 9250 128MB AGP 8X
It's quite rare for it to happen, but, sometimes, my screen will look like I'm set to lowest quality, then it'll come back after about 2 seconds back to my Full Quality detail.
ATI Sapphire Radeon 9250 128MB AGP 8X
Omega X
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I have a similar'ish problem.
It's quite rare for it to happen, but, sometimes, my screen will look like I'm set to lowest quality, then it'll come back after about 2 seconds back to my Full Quality detail. ATI Sapphire Radeon 9250 128MB AGP 8X |
LiQuId StEeL
Update your drivers, first and foremost.
Then, go to display (right click on desktop, and hit properties) - Settings - Advanced - GeForce xxxxx - Performance and quality settings (on the left, popout menu) - Image Settings (in the menu in the main box).
Now drag the slider all the way to High Quality.
Also, in GW, put every setting on high, and try it again. With a 6800, there shouldn't be a problem.
Then, go to display (right click on desktop, and hit properties) - Settings - Advanced - GeForce xxxxx - Performance and quality settings (on the left, popout menu) - Image Settings (in the menu in the main box).
Now drag the slider all the way to High Quality.
Also, in GW, put every setting on high, and try it again. With a 6800, there shouldn't be a problem.
Josh
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Update your drivers, first and foremost.
Then, go to display (right click on desktop, and hit properties) - Settings - Advanced - GeForce xxxxx - Performance and quality settings (on the left, popout menu) - Image Settings (in the menu in the main box). Now drag the slider all the way to High Quality. Also, in GW, put every setting on high, and try it again. With a 6800, there shouldn't be a problem. |
Old Dood
It always seems to be the lower end to mid-range cards that have this problem. I have never had a problem yet with my vid card. It has got to be the drivers.
Dex
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It always seems to be the lower end to mid-range cards that have this problem. I have never had a problem yet with my vid card. It has got to be the drivers.
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I wonder if the nVidia drivers are having problems installing cleanly. When I built my current system I did a fresh Windows install with my GeForce 7800GT and the newest drivers. The version of the drivers I was using were causing problems with GW at the time for other people, but I had no problems at all. That leads me to believe my clean install had something to do with it, but maybe not.
Omega X
I'll try the new drivers that I downloaded from Guru. I hear that the latest drivers has the old GW texture error. I think that they are 82.12. The latest is 81.98 and 82.68 for the betas.
Dex
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I'll try the new drivers that I downloaded from Guru. I hear that the latest drivers has the old GW texture error. I think that they are 82.12. The latest is 81.98 and 82.68 for the betas.
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LiQuId StEeL
I'm using 81.98 and have the texture problem... then again, I have a PCI 5200 installed atm and it has problems even running the game...
You can also try Omega Drivers
I used to use them, but haven't really seen a performance difference, so I didn't bother with them for GW. They could help if you want to try some non-official ones.
You can also try Omega Drivers
I used to use them, but haven't really seen a performance difference, so I didn't bother with them for GW. They could help if you want to try some non-official ones.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
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Originally Posted by Josh
I have a similar'ish problem.
It's quite rare for it to happen, but, sometimes, my screen will look like I'm set to lowest quality, then it'll come back after about 2 seconds back to my Full Quality detail. ATI Sapphire Radeon 9250 128MB AGP 8X |
ATI Sapphire Radeon 9250 256MB PCI and use the 5.13 Catalyst...
the 5.12 ones failed once 5.13 came out (GW did somthing durring there updates)
But no problems here. eh could be ram catching up...
Omega X
The 82.12s prove no major difference. The lagging has stopped a little but the textures still load slow. I did defrag but that only made the areas load a little faster when zoning.
I'm gonna try a reinstall and see if it will improve anything. Or try a different set of drivers maybe. I just can't understand why an inferior card performs so much better than a superior card on all fronts.
I will also try some BIOS settings like throttling down the AGP bus and reducing the apeture size.
I'm gonna try a reinstall and see if it will improve anything. Or try a different set of drivers maybe. I just can't understand why an inferior card performs so much better than a superior card on all fronts.
I will also try some BIOS settings like throttling down the AGP bus and reducing the apeture size.
aeroclown
Try using driver cleaner, before installing new drivers, Uninstall the current set, reboot and run the cleaner, then try installing your drivers. That may or may not ensure a clean installation of the drivers, but hey if thats the case its worth a shot.
Omega X
I did that. I always do that as a rule of mine.
I tweaked the bios stuff, reduced the apeture to 64mb, and throttled the AGP bus but no go. Turning on Fastwrite seemed to help a little but still jumps a whole lot when moving.
The only thing I haven't tried yet is Reinstalling GuildWars.
I tweaked the bios stuff, reduced the apeture to 64mb, and throttled the AGP bus but no go. Turning on Fastwrite seemed to help a little but still jumps a whole lot when moving.
The only thing I haven't tried yet is Reinstalling GuildWars.
Kaguya
Back a few months my motherboard died, and I replaced it with a MSI board..
Plugged in my GF6800GT etc, stuffed in the drivers, and it seemed to work, wee.
Except, when I started playing games. Dethkarz, the funny racing game, would go like ~kazillion FPS for few seconds, then pause a second, then superfast again, and a pause.
Poked the drivers, whined and moaned. Friend suggested taking Fast Writes off for 6800-series, tried that, seemed to work nice. But the vidcard still kept throttling, at which point I checked the vidcard temperature.. 80'C. Bingo.
Popped the case open again, noticed one of the power cables blocking one of the case fans *oops*
So check the vidcard's temperatures, newer cards slow down on purpose when they reach certain temperatures so they won't overheat and burn. Also try disabling Fast Writes, I still have them disabled and don't have any problems.
(Fast Writes can be disabled from BIOS, and from windows settings, but seems to be the easiest and most sure to do it from BIOS)
Plugged in my GF6800GT etc, stuffed in the drivers, and it seemed to work, wee.
Except, when I started playing games. Dethkarz, the funny racing game, would go like ~kazillion FPS for few seconds, then pause a second, then superfast again, and a pause.
Poked the drivers, whined and moaned. Friend suggested taking Fast Writes off for 6800-series, tried that, seemed to work nice. But the vidcard still kept throttling, at which point I checked the vidcard temperature.. 80'C. Bingo.
Popped the case open again, noticed one of the power cables blocking one of the case fans *oops*
So check the vidcard's temperatures, newer cards slow down on purpose when they reach certain temperatures so they won't overheat and burn. Also try disabling Fast Writes, I still have them disabled and don't have any problems.
(Fast Writes can be disabled from BIOS, and from windows settings, but seems to be the easiest and most sure to do it from BIOS
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Omega X
I'll try your suggestions. And tomorrow I'll see If I can rework the cables. (It is a little hectic in there anyways.
But I'm afraid either this card is a 3.3v AGP( couldn't find the info, mb doesn't support it ), the processor maybe too slow, the Powersupply isn't feeding it enough, or the card is busted.
Anyway it goes, its still bad luck and a possible Restock fee that will drain the bottom line.
But I'm afraid either this card is a 3.3v AGP( couldn't find the info, mb doesn't support it ), the processor maybe too slow, the Powersupply isn't feeding it enough, or the card is busted.
Anyway it goes, its still bad luck and a possible Restock fee that will drain the bottom line.
Kaguya
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But I'm afraid either this card is a 3.3v AGP( couldn't find the info, mb doesn't support it ), the processor maybe too slow, the Powersupply isn't feeding it enough, or the card is busted.
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Got A64 3200+, 4 harddrivess, GF6800GT and couple of CD/DVD drives attached to it as well, no problems.
And if the vidcard fits your motherboard AGP socket, it should be okay. It has it's own power supply cable coming onto the card.. I think. Not sure about XT.
SaucE
May I suggest Omega Drivers. They have been know to work better than official releases. http://www.omegadrivers.net/
Alias_X
Omega X man, you're stealing my X here. Lol, jk. Happens to me, but I am not even going to try to locate the proble, 1.7ghz P4, 256mb of RAM (super slow old ram) and a mediocre ATI Radeon 9550 256mb card, so it is probably a lot of things.
In your case, it sounds like drivers, because the 6800 can handle a lot, so try that.
In your case, it sounds like drivers, because the 6800 can handle a lot, so try that.
Omega X
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Power Supply should be okay, Enermax is a good brand, and I think I have Enermax 460W as well (or was it 480W)..
Got A64 3200+, 4 harddrivess, GF6800GT and couple of CD/DVD drives attached to it as well, no problems. And if the vidcard fits your motherboard AGP socket, it should be okay. It has it's own power supply cable coming onto the card.. I think. Not sure about XT. |
And yes, it has its own socket but it's a 4pin component socket like CD drives use.
@Alias
I've been sporting the "X" for quite a few years now. :P
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Update:
I've reworked the cables, it actually shaved 2 degrees off but the picture still stutters much.
I'm gonna DL the WHQL drivers from NvIDIA and see if they are better.
Res Surection
ur computer is just not good enough to support the video card is all, u also may have to much things on your pc or some very harmful viruses
Res Surection
i got a 3.4gb p4HT 200gb 1 hard drive
2 gigs of ram 1 dvd cd burner 420wat power supply
ATi radion 9550 256mb
and it works perfectly, dont load ur pc with a bunch of uneeded stuff, always defrag and clean out wat u dont need.
2 gigs of ram 1 dvd cd burner 420wat power supply
ATi radion 9550 256mb
and it works perfectly, dont load ur pc with a bunch of uneeded stuff, always defrag and clean out wat u dont need.
Res Surection
and get the drivers from ur companies web site.....
Res Surection
its ur proccessor is what it is
Res Surection
how old is your pc?
Res Surection
well, heres a good website for a new pc, http://www.pricewatch.com/, very good pc's, just swap everything into the new pc reformat and reinstall all ur stuff. make sure u get pentiums and amd 64's, best for gaming pc's.
Res Surection
dang a 2600+ sounds kinda old
Dex
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its ur proccessor is what it is
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This is a video-related issue. It's either the drivers or something to do with the card itself.
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well, heres a good website for a new pc, http://www.pricewatch.com/, very good pc's, just swap everything into the new pc reformat and reinstall all ur stuff. make sure u get pentiums and amd 64's, best for gaming pc's.
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Old Dood
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Nah. His specs are fine. That processor should have no trouble running Guild Wars -- or supporting that video card for that matter.
This is a video-related issue. It's either the drivers or something to do with the card itself. Um...no offense, but what the heck are you talking about? You're telling him to buy a new computer? |
Omega X
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Nah. His specs are fine. That processor should have no trouble running Guild Wars -- or supporting that video card for that matter.
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Specs are FINE to a point.
I found out that the Card might be 3.3v AGP. The board doesn't support it.
See Next post.
Omega X
Now, I do a little research. I found at Directron.com a diagram of 3.3v cards and 1.5v cards. The 3.3v interface looks EXACTLY like the card I have now( one small one large), but the motherboard should have fried from the board itself. But the 6200 I have has the 3 prong 1.5v interface type and works all the same but doesn't cause problems in game.
Then I look up all sorts of various information to verify it. And it turns out that NvIDIA requires that the card meat the AGP 3.0 spec which is 1.5v or 0.8v for 4X and 8X respectively.
I swear, I just don't get it. With the new card my marks in 3Dmarks01 had went from 6k to 11k. And I think that its still too slow for that particular card.
What makes it even WORSE is that I have 3 days to fix the problem before I go on a small vacation.
Now I am really confused. At first I thought that this was a simple problem, but the more I look into it the MORE I become confused.
Now I have to do some HARD debugging to find out the problem. Dammit.
Then I look up all sorts of various information to verify it. And it turns out that NvIDIA requires that the card meat the AGP 3.0 spec which is 1.5v or 0.8v for 4X and 8X respectively.
I swear, I just don't get it. With the new card my marks in 3Dmarks01 had went from 6k to 11k. And I think that its still too slow for that particular card.
What makes it even WORSE is that I have 3 days to fix the problem before I go on a small vacation.
Now I am really confused. At first I thought that this was a simple problem, but the more I look into it the MORE I become confused.
Now I have to do some HARD debugging to find out the problem. Dammit.
cannonfodder
Omega X, 3dmark2001 is more cpu dependent than other versions, so a 5k jump in score is really good in my opinion. If I were you i'd try Aquamark3, it's a good benchmark for cpu and gpu. I would reformat and reinstall, it will be easier than trying to figure out whats wrong.
Res Surrection, stop the multiple posting "you ever heard of the EDIT button", also I have come to the conclusion you have no idea what your talking about.
EDIT - ALSO SPEC'S ARE FINE..
Res Surrection, stop the multiple posting "you ever heard of the EDIT button", also I have come to the conclusion you have no idea what your talking about.
EDIT - ALSO SPEC'S ARE FINE..
Kaguya
Omega, did you try disabling Fast Writes yet?
Omega X
@cannonfodder
I will try that benchmark program.
Reply to edit: I know that now.
@Kaguya
Yes I did. Has been off for a while.
MAJOR UPDATE FOLKS!!!
I went back and triple checked EVERYTHING.
And then something hit me. I started looking into the Power Supply itself and I found my problem:
The wise guys at Enermax was sSSSOOOOoo caught up in the affairs of PCI-Express 16X, that they OMITTED the extra plug on the full 12v rail for the common 4pin peripheral which are ALL 3.3v which explains the readings in the monitor program.
SO in plain words, the card was pulling power from the wrong rail. Which means the card was/is underpowered. Its just enough for 2d type things, but in 3d mode the Power Supply tries to compensate the power pull but when it goes over a certain amount of power, it ramps it back down to specs WHICH is causing the jumps and stutters.
SOOOOO. Now I have to find a 6pin PCI-E to 4pin molex converter so that the card can pull off of the proper 12v rail. Does anyone know how to find one?
I will try that benchmark program.
Reply to edit: I know that now.
@Kaguya
Yes I did. Has been off for a while.
MAJOR UPDATE FOLKS!!!
I went back and triple checked EVERYTHING.
And then something hit me. I started looking into the Power Supply itself and I found my problem:
The wise guys at Enermax was sSSSOOOOoo caught up in the affairs of PCI-Express 16X, that they OMITTED the extra plug on the full 12v rail for the common 4pin peripheral which are ALL 3.3v which explains the readings in the monitor program.
SO in plain words, the card was pulling power from the wrong rail. Which means the card was/is underpowered. Its just enough for 2d type things, but in 3d mode the Power Supply tries to compensate the power pull but when it goes over a certain amount of power, it ramps it back down to specs WHICH is causing the jumps and stutters.
SOOOOO. Now I have to find a 6pin PCI-E to 4pin molex converter so that the card can pull off of the proper 12v rail. Does anyone know how to find one?
Omega X
I've contacted Enermax on the power issue, HOPEFULLY they will give me a solution some time this century.
I am also poking around on more specialized forums to makesure that this is one specific problem.
I am also poking around on more specialized forums to makesure that this is one specific problem.
Kaguya
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The wise guys at Enermax was sSSSOOOOoo caught up in the affairs of PCI-Express 16X, that they OMITTED the extra plug on the full 12v rail for the common 4pin peripheral which are ALL 3.3v which explains the readings in the monitor program.
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You mean the standard Molex-plug is missing two cables? Or they all put out 3.3V? Molex should have 5V and 12V lines, and some power supplys have few cables that don't have either 5V or 12V on them (meant for fans).. If the lines are pushing out 3.3V through molex, there's something seriously wrong.
As far as I know, there shouldn't be major changes to PSU design caused by PCI-E systems, unless the system is BTX-form instead of the 'classic' ATX.
Omega X
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*scratch*
You mean the standard Molex-plug is missing two cables? Or they all put out 3.3V? Molex should have 5V and 12V lines, and some power supplys have few cables that don't have either 5V or 12V on them (meant for fans).. If the lines are pushing out 3.3V through molex, there's something seriously wrong. As far as I know, there shouldn't be major changes to PSU design caused by PCI-E systems, unless the system is BTX-form instead of the 'classic' ATX. |
All I know is something is wrong and I am trying to figure out why.
Kaguya
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Well according to the manual, the 350w and lower models have an "extra" 4pin molex connection to supply stable 12v power. BUT the higher ones dont and instead sport the PCI-E connection. That lead me to believe that they didn't have the proper lines necessary. But as usual, the more I poke around, the more I learn and the less this makes sense.
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Those are only meant for motherboards that require additional power (read: all modern motherboards), the older boards had standard molex connector, whereas the newer motherboards have that P4-connector which supplies extra 3.3V, 5V, 12V and ground onto the board.
The normal molex connectors, like the one that goes onto the graphics cards always feed the +5/-5V and +12/-12V voltages, and if they don't, the PSU is busted or overloaded.
Googled around a bit, and found out what the 'PCI-E connector' is... That's quite a heavy power supply for a vidcard.
Omega X
Tested in Aquamark3 with some suggestions from the Abit forum and Guru3D forum. Total was 33,173.
Omega X
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You don't mean the P4-connector by anychance?
Those are only meant for motherboards that require additional power (read: all modern motherboards), the older boards had standard molex connector, whereas the newer motherboards have that P4-connector which supplies extra 3.3V, 5V, 12V and ground onto the board. The normal molex connectors, like the one that goes onto the graphics cards always feed the +5/-5V and +12/-12V voltages, and if they don't, the PSU is busted or overloaded. Googled around a bit, and found out what the 'PCI-E connector' is... That's quite a heavy power supply for a vidcard. |