Victo's Blade, Battle Axe & Bulwark (pics inside)

well, this isn't a request for a pc, but rather just to show those of you who haven't seen the new green warrior items what they look like.

i almost bought a req 8 15^50 chaos axe yesterday but didn't, and good thing too, cause with the budget i had, i was able to acquire these 3 items and still have ecto left over. i may have overpaid for some of these, but i'm not bothered, i have new toys!

at the time of purchasing these items, ecto prices at rare material trader were 8k & 6k, so average of 7k per ecto.


and here they are:



the axe i had to have as i was looking for a new axe anyway and a 15^50 max sickle? need i say more? so what if it's green?
paid 37 ectos (~259k)




the blade i bought just for the skin (altho it looks shorter than the ones the shadow warriors use in fow, dammit!). don't think i'll use it, so might end up selling this one since i've already got a screenshot.
paid 25 ectos (~175k)




the shield ... i'm speechless, what can i say? ... absolutely perfect.
paid 25 ectos (~175k)

u can start by saying bye bye economy bye bye market.

I've already had my perfect gold weapons for a long time, so I really don't need these, BUT I'm definitlely gonna get them (through farming) since they are just that awesome. Seems Anet got it right this time with the Greens; no '15 in stance', 'Axe Mastery +1', or 'Quick recovery' crap this time.

Although I do think you paid WAY too much for these. As awesome as they are they are still Greens, and there's gonna be a ton of them with so many people farming them, even on the first day. If these don't drop for me in about 2 weeks I'll probably be able to buy them for a lot cheaper.

altho in my opinion, furious > sundering ... damn shame bout the sickle from that perspective, but the fact that it's a 15^50 max sickle more than makes up for that i guess.


i can understand where you're coming from and i guess, as far as greens go, i have overpaid. but the way i look at it, i was already gonna spend anywhere from 750-900k on a new axe, but now i've gotten an awesome new axe, a rare-skinned sword AND a perfect shield, with cash to spare.

agreed, maybe its time to join marik in L2..

these will all be <100k by end of feb if not quicker

Sorry, I don't necessarily agree with this (yet, and as of right now). The reason: I don't see how you can farm this place with less than 5 people, and you HAVE to have at least 2 hours or so to get to the end. If you make one mistake, say on the third or fourth map, BAM...you're sent back and the time was wasted.

Goof guilds will do a fantastic job of farming these areas, but the items will stay VERY rare in my opinion. Only those with a lot of money will be able to afford these items, and most will go out of their way to try and earn them and trade. Note that almost all of these weapons are identical in stats to the Oro farm runs. Also note that the shield is actually not as good as a grognars defender (stats below); it's just the skin thats cool (not sure why Anet did this).

Grogs defender
Armor +16 (req. 9 Tactics)
Health +45 (while in a stance)
Received damage -2 (while in a stance)

Anyway, there is no holding item exploit (thank god) which has made it really obvious which tanks really know how to tank, and who knows how to really control agro. Add all of the Me's and Necro's in Tombs UW, and the amount of time it takes to get through it (remember, you have to clear EVERYTHING to move on to the next map) and I just don't see too many people getting tons of greens from here.

Just my two cents...I'm all ears if I missed an angle. I've already tried pulling together 2 and 3 man teams, and haven't had success with even the first level yet. So far, the best combo I've found is: prot, heal, tank, ele nuker, ss, and battery (beat it with a 6 man team from beginning to end last night).

We were thinking we MAY be able to whittle it down to 5, but the battery played such an important role so the prot monk could keep up the prots and heal monk could heal, I don't think it would be a good idea to lose. We'll see...it's just too early to say.

Sorry for the ramble...looking forward to really fine tuning the farming approach to this place!

The Acolyte

+30 always
-2 stance

thats owns grognars shield

yup...didn't pay attention to the hp. I stand corrected.

Agreed. This gives even more portions of the economy a TOTAL kromping.

Actually the economy's problem is not weapons, it's runes and other stuff that DOES give advantage in PVP if it's not unlocked via faction.

I don't really see how this could hurt the economy at all, considering that greens did nothing to it compared to the influx of asian pro farmers. All this is doing is introducing yet more cool weapons that you can acquire, if only for the sake of acquiring them. People that are paying super high prices for them right now are not thinking ahead at all, in my opinion. If they have 700k to burn on three items, they'd be better off equipping 8 of their guildies with endgame armor and weapons, waiting a month or two, and then getting those three items for far less.

Don't get me wrong, these are sweet items, and the skins chosen for them are sadly so cool that the demand for these items will be such that they will hardly "customize" your character at all. If everyone in town drives a F430, what's the point of driving one in the first place? Anyway, they're definitely worth owning for the looks, but they're also not that hard to acquire. Get a guild group in there: 4 trappers, 2 heal monks, and 2 of whatever else and coordinate. It's all the same stuff over and over. The only thing in your way is the time constraint. Everyone gets a green at the end.

So, don't worry about the economy. Also don't pay such high prices.

Think about what Factions might have, and save your $ for that. I mean, heck, did you listen to the login screen music? There's gotta be something like dai-katanas on the way, lol.

Actually, no. Waste all your $ now, so that I can have all the cool Factions stuff.

FIRST, most farmers have WAY more then 2 hours to spare... second it isn't that hard to make it to the end bosses, I think FoW is harder (once you get a feel for things) and FoW is EAZY! The ToA UW is way harder then this area ever can hope to be.

In one run about 6 items drop, unless they change the drop rate (which hopefully they will) don't count on these items staying rare... they will be about as rare as the current green items.

A-Net Destroy Guild Wars with this SHIT!

hmm, noticing a trend here? Why does it seem that those who have the most in game gold, are the ones crying foul? Just because new weapons were introduced with skins that are desirable otherwise, why get all bent out of shape about it? I havent seem much complaining on nearly the same level as from those who have tons and tons of gold. *Just from a glance, it seems a bit -- Elitist. Has anyone else picked this up? Anyway, not trying to start a flame war, but it seems suspect that as soon as ArenaNet decides to add new greens to THEIR game, some select players throw a fit. Who cares if they use a sickle skin? Who cares if they added in the Shadowblade? Who's to say that these additions weren't in their overall vision from the get-go? Its just disheartening when nearly EVERYTIME a new update comes out, ppl *always* have something to complain about. (AoE "nerf", skill balance, new items, etc.)

Please indulge me as to WHY you all think that the economy is thrown to shit -- while taking creedence that the economy had a "Fault" at its very inception. Can't really cry foul when There were no Economy Controls for the game to begin with. Gold was and is always available, can always be made/farmed/had.

/sigh

We were all noobs once. We did not understand the hype behind gold items, considering Collector's items were inherently better. Then we came to a realization that we were accumulating gold, and there really wasn't anything in the game to spend it on. As time passed, we decided that it might me nice to have 15k Armor and a nice gold weapon, so we broke down and bought the armor and spent 50k for a 13>50 Flamberge or something of that nature, and added a +25 Fortitude Pommel and a 8% Furious Hilt. We rationalized that the was no difference between 13>50 and 15>50, and we were right. The longer we played the game, the more our collection grew, and we started spending 100k+ on rare skinned, low req items... items that had the same stats as the 15>50 Gladius, but distinguished us from our peers and made us feel unique in a game where rare, overpowered items do not exist. We started trading and looked at it as a major part of the game.

Then came the SF update and the advent of chests and green items, with chests making rare skinned items more common and green items handing out rare skinned items with perfect stats. This was done under the guise of "reducing the grind" because "new players" didn't want to work to have the perfect weapon, but were unwilling to play with anything that was less than perfect. What effectively happened is that it is near impossible to give away an imperfect gold item. 13>50... No Thanks. 14>50... I'll Pass. At this point, we adapt and start trading only perfect items, maybe an imperfect rare skin or two, and while the trading game is less robust, it is still enjoyable.

Next, we come to the Factions update. The green items are literally perfect. Rare skin, every desirable mod, I mean seriously, there is a Shadow Shield with perfect stats +30/-2... this would have gone for MILLIONS! Instead, it's a common item. Shield trading just went to shit. Oh, you wanted the 10/10 Shadow Staff? Well I have the Green version. Sickle? Yeah, I have one, and its 15>50 10/10 +30.

If you can't see how this might irritate people that have been playing and accumulating items for 8 months...

It is sad, no more of those cool Sickle threads "Woah somebody actually found a Max sickle?!?..ahhh no it's Photoshop"..everyone has a laugh.

say goodbye to that. Sickle watching was one of my favorite little hobbies in this game, and even when I am out playing and I get a crappy sickle drop, hey it's still nice to know that the chances of sickles dropping are still alive and well. Who cares now..

umm ... my guildies already have everything they need. unless they want some of these new greens, which they might. i'm no sugar daddy (altho a couple of them might disagree ), but i might get some for them, we'll see.

and why wait a month or two for an axe when i need one now? my last one found a new home with a desperate buyer who (supposedly) blew all he had for it, so my war was without an axe. the timing was perfect too (if these greens were released one day later, i prob would've bought a chaos axe by then), so everything's fallen into place nicely.

and honestly, how can i pass up a 15^50 max "sickle", it's been something i've quietly been hunting for in my spare time for the longest time.

u mark my words..

o and yea i got a gold 10/10 monk req shadows staff ;p aswell as the green wich i bought for 60 k...

1 of the things i dont like about this whole update is that the magic of perfect rare weapons is gone Expecially the sickle

6/24+ used to be rare and wanted IMO a big mistake to bring out a fckng 15> i mean its clear they wanted like FoW weapons as green atleast bring out a 15> chaos but let the magic of the sickle remain..

Well, think of it this way. High dmg sickles were very rare and looked good, and many people wanted them. But because they're very rare, they're also very expensive. Despite the big numbers that routinely appear on this site, most people in GW are not rich. I believe the statistics indicate that 75% of all players have <15k in their storage. So, ANet is essentially trying to please the most number of people possible. In my opinion, this will only infuriate the super rich. As for me, I'm not super rich, and I don't care for the super rich either :P

ANet, bring 'em on!

lol im not super rich but i still think adding new greens with the most desired skins was dumb

adding completley new skins might have been different

high dmg sickles arnt for use ther for collecteble reasons.
a person with <15 k in storage shouldnt be collecting stuff but should be saving for his next droknar armor..

coming from a noob farmer, only farmed war camp and FoW. Where do you farm for these new greens? I want to do my part in ruining the economy, lol

they could have used the tribal axe or dwarven or Serpent axe, or like someone else said, make NEW skins?..it's a new area, with new monsters but they chose to use the absolutely most rare sickle, it's a death sentence for what used to be an icon among rare weapons.

So... let's say all those people out there want a max 15^50 axe (with a sickle skin, but NOT title)... ta da! They can buy one for an (eventually) fixed price!

But wait... sickles are still rare! So everyone can have a max dmg sickle SKIN now, but the person who finds a max SICKLE drop? That's still noteworthy and rare. What about a gold sickle? That'll still be an item to go after. All of you Elitist, Rich Collectors who wanted a max dmg sickle before, you still want one, don't you? You're still willing to pay a lot, aren't you?

Take the Razorstone for example: it's 65k or so for a max 15^50 sephis axe skin, but a max 15^50 gold sephis axe? That's damn expensive.

Malinon's shield.... and a gold Tall Shield or Aegis with the same stats? Which is more expensive and "elite"? Duh... the rare drop.

The point remains that an item drop is still unique (within limits); people will still want a gold/rare perfect weapon that they can mod themselves.

When you buy a green item, you're paying for a skin and guaranteed easy-to-get mods. When you buy a perfect or near-perfect gold/rare item, you are paying for a unique, unlikely drop that you can mod to your liking. They are still going to hold their value.

When SF came out and those greens were introduced, everyone screamed the same damn thing "OMG the economy is RUINED!" and it wasn't... Deja vu anyone?

After some time, once the newness is gone, things will level off, the economy will still be the same. The collector who was willing to spend money on perfect gold rare drops, still is.

This is where you are wrong. The economy was ruined, and has now been made worse.

What do you consider "ruined"?

Prices for mods and weapons have gone down, sure - but considering the average player has <15-20k, isn't this a good thing? By most peoples' standards, the perfect mods and weapons are still very expensive.

Average things being affordable to average players = a ruined economy?

You know why a Gold 15>50 Sephis is still expensive? Simple, the upgrades on the Razorstone are CRAP. After people got over the whole 'omg 15>50 sephis!' craze people came to their senses and the price dropped, since most people just decided to buy an actual Sephis so they could put good mods on. Guess what the most popular mods for Gold axes are? 10/10, +30hp...

And now we have a Sickle skinned axe with 15>50, 10/10, and +30hp... They can call it 'Pink Bunny's Fluff of Love' for all I care, it's still a Sickle with good mods. If they had put on crappy mods as with the SF Greens then actual Sickles would still be sought, but since most are gonna put on these same mods ANYWAY, who cares?

The same thing happens with staves for example. I recently spent 150k on 10/10 Gold Inscribed Staff req 12 Dom for my Necro. Then I spent around 60k more getting a +5 Insight and +30hp for it. It may not be the skin I wanted (Shadow Staff), or req I wanted (Necro req, duh) but it would do... and now guess what we have for a Green? A 10/10, +5, +30hp Shadow Staff with req Blood... frustrating to say the least...

Still, I'm glad ANet put out some decent Greens insted of the crap most of the ones in SF are. And I still agree that Gold > Greens simply beacause of upgradeability. Anyway, I already have all the perfect Gold weapons I need, but you bet I'm gonna get one of those Fluff of Love axes... Fluff, Sickle, whatever, the one with the awesome skin.


... oh yeah, and at least most everyone knows what Greens are so there hopefuly won't be any people scamed because they though they could change the mods. This is another reason why the prices on these will also drop a lot faster than when the SF Greens came out.

IMO the new weapons aren't that brill [can make better ones from crafters and collecters]

The only ones i would want would be the axe n the shield, anything else would be more towards my FoW armour

DAGGER FTW!

Since this is a PC thread, I just sold my Victo's axe on guru auction for 300k, after putting it there for only 20minutes. Seriously I think in the short term (1-2 days), the price will only spike further up.

LOL didn't mean to put you on the spot; if you have the money and your guildies have whatever they need, it's all good. I don't see Wally West complaining about Bruce Wayne's latest exotic car ^_^ Plus it's just a game.

Heh, my war is without an axe as well, but there's axes selling for 50k which can do everything a sickle can. I can get by for two months on an ugly axe if it'll save me 200k. That is, assuming I need to save 200k in the first place ~_^ there's not a lot to spend gold on in GW anyway.

guys, it hardly something to get worked up about, i mean, whos to say that they DIDN'T make new, rare skinned items, and none of us have seen them yet, as that is what the purpose of a new rare item would be. and it would give those who haven't been playing for 8 monts a chance 2 make some serious money, without haveing 2 spend 8months slowly working up to it! and lets not forget that greens are a basic novelty and thata gold with the same stats will nearly always sell for more. the econmy is not screwd, its just changing

wow after reading some of these posts u people r a bunch of little babies so wat if they came out with a green max dmg lookin sickle axe wit perfect mods its thier game and they can do w/e they want with it so if u dont like it dont play but i bet your still goin to play and try to get the new greens and sell them for alot so stop whining and deal with it

No one is whining except you. So stop your bitching.

Anyways, it is a tad disappointing knowing a rare drop like that isnt so rare anymore. Most gold drops are practically merchant food now. Why spend 30k on a 15>50 gladius, flameberg, etc. When you can just buy a cool looking shadow blade for cheap, assuming prices lower and stablize.


<--has 152g and thinks they ruined the trade aspect of the game. So its not only the rich people that are agitated about it.

[QUOTE=naix]No one is whining except you. So stop your bitching.

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do u know how to read or not i dont give a shit wat they come out with in this game i think it just makes it better

Punctuation is your friend.

go to Tomb of the Primeval Kings...there's mobs now instead of PvP

well, this seems to be a mixed blessing to me. Seeing how i have about 450k to spend across 4 characters the new perfect greens with desirable skins/mods make it pretty easy to do. I also do like to farm as well, which i have to agree with someone else, this new set of greens just makes me want to merchant any gold drop that isn't completely perfect 15^5 or 15% all the time. Sad imo.

have to agree that it sucks the way I'm sure certain things will get killed in the market... but IMO I don't really care that much about the Victos blade... it's better than Grognars blade... but still vamp and still not the mod I would use. As for staves, I would still think that "at least" 10/10 ghosty staves would be valued. And, there's only a divine, earth and blood staff (think that's all of them) and that still leaves tons of others that people want. When I've tried to sell staves, most people "have" to have the class they are using it for. Also still have gold wands and offhands to sell.. I know the axe will hurt that market alot because it's the spiffy sickle, with the mods most people want.. but I'm sure people are still gonna want chaos axes, and sephis, etc. The shield is the same way, but I would still think everyone would still be wanting the exclusive 30/-2 eternal. Have to agree alot about it sucks, especially for those that started 8 months ago and worked their butts off to get anywhere.. I was late in getting into GW so yeah Also agree that it's become that everyone has to have everything perfect and that's crazy. Paying like 40k extra for that one more hp... anyway, that's my two bits from a noob

i think tanzit shield is still the best

Yea i have Victo's Axe, It's Pretty Good... Perfect