Nerf Henchies Now!

BDStyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lightning strikes twice

Mo/A

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...erheadDONE.jpg

That is thunderhead keep, the end of the mission. Notice anything missing.

Hehe nerf them NERF THEM ALL



P.s. this is not me.. rather its one of the members of the guild I'm in.

Woutsie

Woutsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Belgium

lmao..
how is this possible O_O

Evil Hypnotist

Evil Hypnotist

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

I Dragon I [PAIN]

I have done it with only one other player and the rest henchies. I was very sceptical to begin with but we did it. Well done to your guildie, I would never attempt THK on my own

Shusky

Shusky

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Purple Hippos

Yeah, did it too. Had to stop for ten minutes in the middle though, Mhenlo's mom called him for dinner.

burianek

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

X Universe

I've solo'd it with each one of my pve characters.
Notice though, in th piccy that his skill bar is empty.
Apparently this player did it using only the henchies, watching from the sidelines.
Impressive.

burianek

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

X Universe

meh double post for some reason.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

I love the fact that his weapon sets include two axes and two swords. UNPOSSIBLE!!$!#!$!

Order Of Thy Sword

Order Of Thy Sword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

C/O of Savages of Undying Legend

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
I love the fact that his weapon sets include two axes and two swords. UNPOSSIBLE!!$!#!$!

lmao, dude youre not serious are you?

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Forgot to put the smiley face...it's just plain funny.

It further proves that he really did let the henchmen do it alone, since any warrior in their right mind wouldn't switch between axes and swords...

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by BDStyle
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...erheadDONE.jpg

That is thunderhead keep, the end of the mission. Notice anything missing.

Hehe nerf them NERF THEM ALL



P.s. this is not me.. rather its one of the members of the guild I'm in.
Want some cheese with your whine?

eur0b0y69

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In YO FacE ! :D

Dudele Acre [CGR]

Awesome!!! ......are u sure u didnt photoshop?

Deathqueen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
Forgot to put the smiley face...it's just plain funny.

It further proves that he really did let the henchmen do it alone, since any warrior in their right mind wouldn't switch between axes and swords...
Sure they would I use this setup in random 4x4 pvp quite well. I like the damage of the axe, but, I hate that I can't hamstring quick enough, so I use axe and sword. Kicks butt also. Everything is not cookie cutter made just because you say so. That's why there are 150 skills per character. And no build is perfect, but, many builds can an are more effective than others. Try something out before you go dissing it, because you don't know very much about the game if you don't. (smile)

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

You're right. He would need TWO swords in his weapon set to achieve a hamstring. In PvE. Where the casters don't run.

Deathqueen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

With the new AOE scare of NPC's hamstring comes in quite handy in fact (smile)

Bane of Mortality

Bane of Mortality

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Valor and Zeal [VZ]

I've done THK with a full henchie team. It's actually surprisingly easy if you have a running skill so you can aggro every mob that enters (you have to stay at the bottom in between the two doors).

WinespringBrother

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

New York, USA

Heroes of the Horn

E/Me

Not easy but it is doable with only henchies (if you have a lot of time on your hands) ... I beat it with air spiker/shutdown build, staying by throne at end and constantly spamming glim mark with 16 air (and leech sig and power drain as much as possible) at the jades and mursaats. Wasn't pretty or without casualties but it worked

BDStyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lightning strikes twice

Mo/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by viper008
Want some cheese with your whine?
Er mine was a joke post mate, i get the feeling you said this to add a cliche to the forum and appear witty.

Er yeah...........


To the rest of you I can assure you its for real. Obviously there will be the people that cry proof and won't accept even a video reel, for those that appreciate a guy who likes his challenges then here you go

He was chuffed, we are chuffed for him. I can also testify that taking henchies through the game is one thing. Using no skills is quite another, for those that think otherwise I suggest you try it, post a screenie from the talk to iron hammer prompt that shows your lack of build and a full set of alive henchies. I'm sure there are many that can out there and maybe it will give you a taste of a game in guildwars you never knew, set those 'impossible' challenges and get more from the game

Personally my task for the game is to solo a beastmaster through the missions... it'll probably take me YEARS to do if at all possible (thinking about THK/Abbadons mouth) but challenges like this are whats worth playing the game over and over in PVE.

Have fun out there

Takeko Nakano

Takeko Nakano

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Great Britain

W/P

First henchies were too weak.
Now they're too strong.

lol! o_0

BDStyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lightning strikes twice

Mo/A

Lol henchies to strong... the world will come to an end first. I think they are fine as they are. Only tweak i'd make is stop them randomly wandering into Fire/Poisen/Tar etc etc, they even doit if the party is totally still.

TheOneAndOnlyX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Last Sacrens

N/Me

This is just a bragging post and he is not putting this into the screenshot section because not enough people look there unlike the community section

BDStyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lightning strikes twice

Mo/A

Oh for Ruriks sake.. ok mods feel free to move the post.

I was congratulating a guild member in the best way i felt i knew. He didn't even request this, he's just a good bloke that has done something that deserves a bit of recognition. If it is the wrong place then feel free to move it not that i'd have a choice in the matter.

@theoneandonlyx... why does it have to be a bragging post. When you say, sweet I made 30'000 at work today (or anything else that you feel good about) are you bragging or just happy you did it? GW's has a community out there willing to actually look at this thread as what it is, a congratulations thread to a mate that did well. I am certainly not bothered if more people see it and as i said.. if it gets moved so be it.

..... Wait.. can you hear that.... YES the penny has dropped. If you look deeper into that pic though it DOES address an issue that does crop up alot. The strength (or lack there of) of henchies, disregarding the fact i fellow guild member did this have younot realised it says something about the viablity of henchies. THAT is what a discussion forum is for... not to demolish a thread because you think its not worth it.. its there to discuss the issues behind the thread wether the OPmeant it or not.
A thread does not have to be a cookie cutter 'build' you know

Dracus Steelbow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

in my basement for the last 20 years

Radicals Against Tyrants

R/

i really, hate the idea of nerfing henchies(no offence dude). henchies are the only way some people can do anything, w/o a PuG team. so basically u would be taking the option away from them and forcing them to either solo, or deal w/ people.

Narutoscryed

Narutoscryed

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

In the woods

Elite Crew

W/E

HEY........ya done good kid.....ya done good

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

I find this amazing... congrats to all that have done or are able to do this. I find the henchies, for the most part too weak... but if this is possible, I'm doing something wrong.

So, umm, what's the secret?

BDStyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Lightning strikes twice

Mo/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracus Steelbow
i really, hate the idea of nerfing henchies(no offence dude). henchies are the only way some people can do anything, w/o a PuG team. so basically u would be taking the option away from them and forcing them to either solo, or deal w/ people.
No offence taken and in fact I better explain something.

I have a somewhat dry and sarcastic sense of humour, my original post was actually a dig at those that mock henchies as well as a 'big up' for 'me homie' lol. I certainly don't think they should be nerfed so fear not, i'm not going to start a nerf henchie campaign

The secret is tons of patience and a head for the game. TBH i wouldn't know how to do it as i haven't done it myself but i'm guessing its down to where and when you are in the keep at the end. I'm sure i can coax thug on here to explain how he did it, should he realise i've posted this (its 2am here). However i feel that by the time he gets on the forums tomorrow the thread will be languishing at the bottom ofthe page
Anyway bedtime for me.. happy gaming to all the american time zoneplayers out there and good luck to any east of there.... you'll get tired sooner or later

eur0b0y69

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In YO FacE ! :D

Dudele Acre [CGR]

Henchies sometimes are acctualy smarter than human players. Especially after this update. I can clearly see the difference. Before i couldnt even pass the first murssat in Ring of Fire, now i go capping w/ them. and its acctualy much faster .

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
However i feel that by the time he gets on the forums tomorrow the thread will be languishing at the bottom ofthe page
Depends on how late i stay up

Quote:
I find this amazing... congrats to all that have done or are able to do this. I find the henchies, for the most part too weak... but if this is possible, I'm doing something wrong.
Henchies are suprisinly powerfull when they are cordinated carefully. I was actually suprised by just how much damage they took and recieved doing this. I did it because of someone else doing it with mending gave me inspiration. It was also a way of saying Nanan nan naaaana to all those pugs you get that say "dont take henchies they are rubbish and ill quit". (the nerf this was a joke people :P )


Basicly i always call with henchies as otherwise they attack what you attack and thats too slow. The key is keeping an eye on your henchie monks and calling on anything attacking them, Cyn helps with firestorm if you know how to posiotion yourself, and you can trap them or make em run from the henchie monks. And attacking the weaker armourd enemies first and working upwards.

(Also there was only 1 death on the mission, and it was me . Thats right the henchies didnt die and i did once).

Quote:
It further proves that he really did let the henchmen do it alone, since any warrior in their right mind wouldn't switch between axes and swords...
Thats my farming weopons set , And my builds swap beetween sword and axes alot. So i leave it like that to be lazy, i normally have 3 axes and a sword.

aB-

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

The one major advantage henchmen have over humans is you are in complete control over them. This allows you to focus your fire on what is most important, and the more competant you are as a player, the better the henchmen will be. However, henchmen can also be a nuisance for a pulling task, as they sometimes will charge into battle attacking a target. For the most part though they usually only start attacking when you tell them.

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by aB-
The one major advantage henchmen have over humans is you are in complete control over them. This allows you to focus your fire on what is most important, and the more competant you are as a player, the better the henchmen will be. However, henchmen can also be a nuisance for a pulling task, as they sometimes will charge into battle attacking a target. For the most part though they usually only start attacking when you tell them.
If your trying to lure and they charge in, you can run away calling/clicking on yourself, to get them to react to running quicker. Its not always effictive but alot of the times they will change from attacking to running back with you.

eur0b0y69

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In YO FacE ! :D

Dudele Acre [CGR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aB-
The one major advantage henchmen have over humans is you are in complete control over them. This allows you to focus your fire on what is most important, and the more competant you are as a player, the better the henchmen will be. However, henchmen can also be a nuisance for a pulling task, as they sometimes will charge into battle attacking a target. For the most part though they usually only start attacking when you tell them.
Exactly........i agree 109% ......i love to control things.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Ok, if I'm reading this right; you call your targets and the henchies attack what you called. I do this now mainly as a habit. However, as soon as I change targets, say to poison/pin down/whatever they change to my new target as well. I then have to re-call the original target.
Back to reading this right - Are you able to call a target and have them stay with it? If so, how are you able to do this? I've solo'd through most of the game with henchies but found them to be meat for the mobs most of the time. Like I said, I'm doing something wrong. lol

Keeping in mind it's late and I'm falling a sleep at the keyboard, I apologise if this has been brought up before. But, I've searched and never found the like. Most threads I've seen about henchies are what skills they have and how they need commands.

TSM

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

X-Universe

W/Mo

The Guildie in question is rather good lol, defo no psp involved if you challenge him he's like a dog with a bone so he had to do THK with henchies

Anarki

Anarki

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sweden

Almost Famous

W/N

Oh hey Thunderhead Keep mission is one of the easiest late missions, you also get new henchmen with new skills.

asmo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Experientia Docet [OHX]

E/

Hench are too strong: my guildie and i went into the new tomb of the primeval king area with the 2 of us and 6 hench, well, halfway through the first level his comp kicked him off gw. So I was left alone with 6 henchies and me. i killed the rest of the monsters there(there were like 5 more groups) and I got into the 2nd level of the thing, well, I died there but it just shows how strong they are.

eur0b0y69

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In YO FacE ! :D

Dudele Acre [CGR]

Henchies acctualy listen and not do whatever they want to do when u call a target. Humans tend to do whatever they want.

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

http://tinyurl.com/2jlusq

Idiot Savants [iQ]

R/

Zaishen Henchies>>>>>>>>>Mhenlo, Reyna, Stefan and Orion

The Zaishen Healers are better than most PuG Monks I've played with.

That is all.

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

New Jersey

The Adventurer's Society [TAS]

Me/N

Nerf henchies? Yeah like that's gonna happen.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shusky
Yeah, did it too. Had to stop for ten minutes in the middle though, Mhenlo's mom called him for dinner.
OMG! I can't stop laughing.

Barinthus

Barinthus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

California

(TRUE)

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by aron searle
If your trying to lure and they charge in, you can run away calling/clicking on yourself, to get them to react to running quicker. Its not always effictive but alot of the times they will change from attacking to running back with you.
Good tip! Thanks I will have to keep that in mind. I agree most of the time henchies are better than PUGs but it gets lonely.

Angel Develin

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

/clap
/cheer
/bow

Did the henche had infuse or had any ress or did they call for more energy or called you a Noob :O :O ?????? lmao