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chris_nin00

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21 Jan 2006 at 00:35 - 1

Before Factions, (my) attack order from first priority to last,

Monk
Mesmer
Elementalist
Necro
Ranger
Warrior

Now with two professions added, Assassin and Ritualist, I have come to some predicaments.

Firstly, Ritualists now produce spirits. Spirits play a big role on the battlefield and can pose a problem. So I don't know which one to attack first; The maker of the spirits or the spirits itself...
Secondly, I suppose that the assassin in almost the same league as a ranger. So where should the assassin in the attack order? After or before the ranger? Or should we go to extremes and put it as first or last priority?

I want to hear some input on this...
And your own attack order

Sliceman

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21 Jan 2006 at 00:38 - 2

Monk
Ritualist
Mesmer
Necro
Ele
Assasin
Ranger
Warrior

Rikimaru

Wilds Pathfinder

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21 Jan 2006 at 00:41 - 3

Assassins have really weak armor and do a lot of damage, they're pretty high up on my attack list, probably just below ele's/mesmers. Even as an Assassin I go after other assassins, mostly because it's fun beating the crap out of another assassin 1 vs 1 every time, lol.

Rafe

Frost Gate Guardian

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21 Jan 2006 at 00:46 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikimaru

Assassins have really weak armor

They have armor the same level as ranger.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikimaru

and do a lot of damage,

They can go as a support class -- flag carrier, pushing the other nontargeted enemies around so monks waste energy

IMO:
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Lord Iowerth

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21 Jan 2006 at 00:49 - 5

Well Chris, I wouldn't dream of telling you which order to attack in ... but only to say that my list is very similar, although I always try to get that #%$*@% necro out of the way right after monks and messies ... Life Transfer, parasites, Faintheartedness, vampiric spells all annoy me to no end >_< I'd rather be shut down or empathied by a mesmer sometimes.

Any blood/curse necro just gets under my skin for some reason ... probably all those times I was busy chasing a monk or something else and didn't notice the life transfer and siphon putting -10 on me while chasing ... ahh we were all new and foolish once, weren't we?

Rikimaru

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21 Jan 2006 at 01:01 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafe

They have armor the same level as ranger.

No they don't, Rangers have +30 vs elements. And while that doesnt help a ranger in melee much, I seem to be one of the few people that think rangers have really weak armor as well.
I've actually heard many people say Rangers can tank almost as well as a warrior.

chris_nin00

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21 Jan 2006 at 01:01 - 7

Iowerth,
Like that Spanish guy said,
"It's better to die standing, than dying on your knees"

I think I got that right.
If someone can answer who said the last quote correctly, I'll give you one of the new greens...
Just kidding!

Had you there, didn't I?

On -Topic
So, Ritualists are the new squishy characters in business? And assasins like rangers? Just like I had predicted.

Juhanah

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Join Date: Apr 2005

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21 Jan 2006 at 01:07 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris_nin00

Firstly, Ritualists now produce spirits. Spirits play a big role on the battlefield and can pose a problem. So I don't know which one to attack first; The maker of the spirits or the spirits itself...

I want to hear some input on this...
And your own attack order

I think it would depend of the spirits. maybe a good idea would be to kill the restoration spirits first. Ritualist need to wait from 45 to 60 second to respawn them. and spirits die pretty fast. The aggressive spirit are not so bad.. beside the knocking down one which can be anoying... but helpful against last-man-runner in CA (or is it RA now?)

Rikimaru

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21 Jan 2006 at 01:33 - 9

Go after the Ritualist, if they die, their spirits go with them.

defrule

Frost Gate Guardian

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21 Jan 2006 at 02:27 - 10

Since I play spike often, it's mainly: Mesmers first then damage dealers and warriors if they become a pain for others, monks are last.

When playing balanced grups, it's the same as Sliceman.

Bane of Mortality

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21 Jan 2006 at 02:30 - 11

I dunno, I expect assassins, at least the shadow stepping ones, would be the very last priority. Assassins have the best running skills and can essentually warp making them hard to track down. This would probably force you to divide up your team, not good if there are still other enemies left.

Former Ruling

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21 Jan 2006 at 02:38 - 12

Monks first really only applies to the 4v4 arenas :\

Ritualists are probably second now, becuase they can play 3 equally annoying roles:
A monk wannabe - So take him like the monk
Spirit Spammer - This guy is too easy to take down since most of the time he is out casting, and if you destroy his work (really easy) - then he is out skill wise for about a minute.
Buffer - A guy that buffs the team, with weapon spells, much like a Orders Necro would buff with Orders - so taking him out decreases the efectiveness of the team as a whole.

Assassins are like Warriors - just blind them or something, and ignore them until they become a problem. Assassins have this weird thing where half or more of their bar is unusable at any given time because of requirements for attacks. Shadow Art Assassins can come in after the main casters in kill order I guess.

Rafe

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:00 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikimaru

No they don't, Rangers have +30 vs elements. And while that doesnt help a ranger in melee much, I seem to be one of the few people that think rangers have really weak armor as well.
I've actually heard many people say Rangers can tank almost as well as a warrior.

Most people use druids, which doesnt, I think.
Either way it provides the same natural armor, 70.

Valerius

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:04 - 14

Quote:

Most people use druids, which doesnt, I think.
Either way it provides the same natural armor, 70.

u still get the +30AP vs elements even with druids

Rafe

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:10 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

u still get the +30AP vs elements even with druids

There you go then. ^^

Numa Pompilius

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:26 - 16

I now target any A/R's first.
You can't treat them like warriors or rangers, because an A/R will insta-kill one teammember per 15 seconds if left unchecked.
Horribly overpowered little buggers, IMO.

Vermilion Okeanos

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:29 - 17

Another fact need to be look at is that you can not tell if that ritualist is going to be offensive or defensive until he use his first skill.

Quote:

insta-kill one teammember per 15 seconds

instant kill the moment it reach 15 sec? or you mean kill after 15 sec?

Deathqueen

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:39 - 18

Well I dislike rangers a lot worse than I dislike ele's or me's or anything else other than the monk/ritualist that is healing them. I usually go after a ranger and let the rest of the team go after the monk. I am just so sick of being interupted by them I keep them on the move and too busy to interupt every chance I get.

If there is no monk on the 4x4 randoms, rangers are top priority on my list.

heist23

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R/Mo

21 Jan 2006 at 04:52 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikimaru

No they don't, Rangers have +30 vs elements. And while that doesnt help a ranger in melee much, I seem to be one of the few people that think rangers have really weak armor as well.
I've actually heard many people say Rangers can tank almost as well as a warrior.

while it's harder for a ranger to tank, they can do so. i made a R/W tanking build some time ago. quite effective, if you ask.

i've played with the assasin for about 20 minutes, and seeing their power, i'd have to put them higher on my priority list. i currently have no personal experience with the Ritualist, so i have no idea where to put them.

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Rangers are higher up on my list because i know what kind of damage a good ranger can do. conditions, interrupts and high DPS are a big concern.

that's my priority list for now. once i face off against a Rit, i'll see what i have to do...

Numa Pompilius

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:54 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

instant kill the moment it reach 15 sec? or you mean kill after 15 sec?

I mean that every 15 seconds the skillset has recycled. The assassin can then smack another, who after the attack is low on health, is deep wounded, poisoned, bleeding, crippled, and dazed - and at the least useless for the next ten seconds or so, probably dead.
*Serious* spike damage. There may be effective counters to them, but at present my counter is to try to kill them before they kill my team.

Amused Observer

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21 Jan 2006 at 04:59 - 21

I find anti-melee mesmer spells like Empathy to extremely useful against assassins.

Goonter

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21 Jan 2006 at 05:07 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I mean that every 15 seconds the skillset has recycled. The assassin can then smack another, who after the attack is low on health, is deep wounded, poisoned, bleeding, crippled, and dazed - and at the least useless for the next ten seconds or so, probably dead.
*Serious* spike damage. There may be effective counters to them, but at present my counter is to try to kill them before they kill my team.

The way I see it, assasins and warriors have this much in common. Warriors do it with pure damage while assasins just condition you and combo you to death. Warriors get super armor while assasins get increased mobility making them both hard to kill.
Either way left unchecked and your dead because they both apply in-your-face pressure.
The cool thing is 90% of the counters that work so good against warriors also work against assasins.
Skills like Mist Form, Shield of Jugdement, Dust Trap, Crippling Shot, Ageis, Gladiators Defence, etc etc all make an assasins work harder for thier money.

Rikimaru

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21 Jan 2006 at 05:50 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I now target any A/R's first.
You can't treat them like warriors or rangers, because an A/R will insta-kill one teammember per 15 seconds if left unchecked.
Horribly overpowered little buggers, IMO.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NUMA! they arent overpowered, it isnt right to post in every thread that mentions them on how uber they are just because you were killed a few times by them and now hate them. I swear man, if they get nerfed to hell because of this i'll be p***ed.
......I feel a little better.

JR

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21 Jan 2006 at 05:58 - 24

My take on it, in arena:
(As you can't really catagorize targets in GvG, it relies more on positioning.)

Priority 1: Spirits (They die fast, wont get any healing. And the other team obviously values them enough to bring them)

Priority 1: Monks and Ritualsts (If the monk is bad, the ritualist, if the monk is good split onto both)

Priority 2: Mesmers and good Assassins (Depending on the Assassin, people who work out how to use them can be very nasty)

Priority 3: Elementalists or Interrupt Rangers

Priority 4: Everything left.

Manic Smile

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21 Jan 2006 at 06:01 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikimaru

No they don't, Rangers have +30 vs elements. And while that doesnt help a ranger in melee much, I seem to be one of the few people that think rangers have really weak armor as well.
I've actually heard many people say Rangers can tank almost as well as a warrior.

winter + greater conflag maybe

I think for the tanking they were refering to the dodging skills

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

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21 Jan 2006 at 11:06 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amused Observer

I find anti-melee mesmer spells like Empathy to extremely useful against assassins.

mo/nec....empathy + spiteful spirit

and even arcane echo them, haha

M3lk0r

Lion's Arch Merchant

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R/Mo

21 Jan 2006 at 12:48 - 27

I think hexes and conditions on an Ass (get used to it :P) will be more effective than outright firepower. They are very good at general disruption rather than pure spike or pressure from what I have tried so far.
Their downfall is that they are melee based and need to be near their target like warrs, so even though they have many evading/warping skills, a crip shot ranger can still give them a good headache.

Kassad

Wilds Pathfinder

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21 Jan 2006 at 13:04 - 28

Weapon spells can heal spirits, a rit will easily save his spirit from dying

BBoy_Manchild

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21 Jan 2006 at 14:03 - 29

the order for me has stayed the same:
mesmer
monk
necro
elementalist
ranger
warrior
then:
ritualist
assassin
very few assassins i have fought against have brought a way to keep themselves from missing, so i changed all my builds to include a dodge or evade and laughing at the assassins unable to get a attack skill chain going
and ritualist primaries are such crappy healers its not even worth it to attack them, i just kill the spirits they summon