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BaneIW

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

Royal Council

Me/W

21 Jan 2006 at 03:49 - 1

Okay this is a IW (Illusionary Weaponry) combo with a bit of a twist, i have found it so extremely effective against anyone with the IW combo evening the odds with tankers and the other combo (A fragillity + conditions combo)

This is my setup:
Flurry
Illusionary Weaponry
Bonetti's Defense
Fragillity
Sever Artery
Gash
Hamstring
Healing Signet-(ive found not necesarilly needed if there is a good monk or two around.)

This is such a good setup i had to share it with the world

and if im missing out on anything please tell me thanks guys

Rhuobhe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Less Crying is Key [kThx]

21 Jan 2006 at 08:29 - 2

Just FYI - you won't gain adrenaline with IW on, and you cannot sever/gash while enchanted with it either.

Same goes for hamstring

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

21 Jan 2006 at 11:32 - 3

I think the way to use it would be to wand a few times, then sever/gash/hamstring onto fragility, THEN cast IW and finish them off.. but seems somewhat clumsy to use, and conditions won't make a dent versus a decent healer. However, I can't see the point of bonetti's... unless you intend to tank warriors while wanding them in the 4 seconds after IW drops.

Grammar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

21 Jan 2006 at 11:53 - 4

What do you plan to do about enchantment stripping?

IW has a 40 second recast. It get's stripped, and you're boned.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

21 Jan 2006 at 14:03 - 5

That argument completely demolishes any IW build, it's best to just run it in CA and hope. Or bring SV as cover enchant, but plz rend enchantments ftw!

Drop bonetti's for SV, if you're insistant on using adrenal skills for IW build

BaneIW

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

Royal Council

Me/W

21 Jan 2006 at 17:16 - 6

Okay say if i were to replace "For Great Justice" with Bonettis defense im aware that IW wont gain me adrenaline. just one qwestion, wats SV?

Oh yea, bonettis defence is for if im getting aten up by a warrior i can use bonettis + distortion over and over and over again till IW recharges

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

21 Jan 2006 at 18:24 - 7

SV is Sympathetic Visage, which has the effect of :

For X seconds, whenever target ally is struck by a melee attack all adjacent foes lose all adrenaline and 3 energy.

It is a great enchant against warriors, and also a good cover enchant (use it after IW, and it gets removed first) for IW.

Distortion is a stance, using it cancels bonetti's defence. In fact, using ANY skill cancels bonetti's defence.

BaneIW

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

Royal Council

Me/W

21 Jan 2006 at 18:27 - 8

use distortion then bonettis defence so your gaining roughly 2 or 3 mana each hit

anyways i dont know what im talking about so can somebody give me a nice build that has IW?

Murder In China

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

/B/Chan

Looking for one

W/

04 Feb 2006 at 06:48 - 9

So basically you hit them normally until you get adrenaline for sever artery then hit them with hamstring then use IW?

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

04 Feb 2006 at 07:07 - 10

One of the ancient build I made (before fragility nerf), I would use sword condition skills with 0 attribute and high illusion magic for fragility. It was pretty funny, it killed quite alot of people, just not fast enough.

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

04 Feb 2006 at 07:15 - 11

I really wish they would make IW better. As it is, its a very fragile build.

d3kst3r

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Brisbane, Australia

04 Feb 2006 at 07:38 - 12

lol you can't stack Bonetti's with Distortion since they're both stances. You can't have 2 stances on at once. And Sever Artery and Gash dont work with IW since IW doesn't contact the enemy foe.

There's so many problems with that build I'll just say that you shouldn't use it. Tho the Fragility + Sever Artery + Gash does look alright, might make a nice combo.

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

04 Feb 2006 at 21:31 - 13

I can't see you doing much damage with Frag + Sever + Gash. Seems like there are easier ways of doing more damage. Even a W/Me with Frag would be outshined by other builds.

I also noticed that you mispelled Resurection Signet.

d3kst3r

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Brisbane, Australia

05 Feb 2006 at 05:09 - 14

Don't really know how effective Frag + Sever + Gash can be unless you test it. And add Hamstring perhaps that might stack for some good damage or perhaps Frag doesn't last long enough to allow it. Who knows, it's worth a try.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

05 Feb 2006 at 05:29 - 15

Mend ailment > frag build in all forms. The damage really isn't much to notice.

Just saying.

Ju_Smurph

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In a house

[TaB]

Me/N

05 Feb 2006 at 12:51 - 16

IW... could be so good, but their are so many limitations

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

05 Feb 2006 at 14:21 - 17

Like signet of humility. IW is the one build that is completely destroyed by one other skill.

If anything, IW should have a passive speed attack boost, since you're technically not having to swing the weapon for effect. And can't we have 100 blades back as non-elite for IW?

It's not like IW is 'super uber awesome' as it is (its mocked like mending! Like MENDING!)

Actually, a team of 8 IW mesmers all hitting for 256 damage per second combined on a target would be pretty fearsome

animeba

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

07 Feb 2006 at 00:35 - 18

IW really shines in any area that doesn't have enchant removal. With flurry, it's 42dmg/sec. An excellent damage dealer. Just don't take this one trick pony into GvG or HA. People would just strip/inspire/shatter enchant & laugh at you.

Ju_Smurph

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

In a house

[TaB]

Me/N

07 Feb 2006 at 06:12 - 19

I hope there is an additional skill friendly to IW coming in chapter 2... *Nudge nudge* I remember capping that skill and going omfg thats awesome, on paper it is awesome, hover it just doesnt work dammit!

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

07 Feb 2006 at 06:13 - 20

Almost seems IW should have a shorter duration...and be immune to strip...like a stance.

exodite

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

KISS

Mo/Me

07 Feb 2006 at 07:40 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

immune to strip...like a stance. Wild Blow knocks out a stance and most normal warriors carry that around in PvP.
but IW is amazing especialy since a little discovery i made, i found a use for for worst green weapon ever the ogre slaying knife, it attacks faster than an axe or a sword and with flurry its amazing. just thought i'd share this with you

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

07 Feb 2006 at 09:42 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by exodite

Wild Blow knocks out a stance and most normal warriors carry that around in PvP.
but IW is amazing especialy since a little discovery i made, i found a use for for worst green weapon ever the ogre slaying knife, it attacks faster than an axe or a sword and with flurry its amazing. just thought i'd share this with you No it doesn't.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

07 Feb 2006 at 12:14 - 23

Don't call the ogre slaying knife useless, it has +9 vs ogres!

I have taken IW into GvG before, and lo! The opponent didn't have any removal! We had 3-4 henchmen so still lost, but whatever, with 2 IW mesmers it was a slaughter

IW needs a buff, and soon. IW is the only build I can think of that is COMPLETELY disabled by a single other skill (sig of humility ftw).

BBoy_Manchild

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

dayton ohio

N/Mo

07 Feb 2006 at 12:17 - 24

IW is dissapointing as an elite, IW wouldnt suck so much if it was a non-elite skill, but i still wouldnt use it, mesmers - like necros and monks should never be in the front lines, stay in the back and kite for the love of god

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

07 Feb 2006 at 14:28 - 25

Quite often in HoH the front line is scattered. IW as non elite would be insane... migrane mesmers would bring it along, after nailing on the degen they would proceed to rip the target apart, interrupting and dealing heavy hits.

It's impossible to improve the skill without a major rebalancing and rethinking of its current status. But I still love it.

rii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

UK

07 Feb 2006 at 17:30 - 26

Im sure iW is going to get a big buff when the expansion is released. I never saw it, but me/as apparantly rip it up. Duel wield doubles their dps (even though there is no ias its still a lot better) and the shadow arts line has quite a few decent looking cover enchants (shroud of distress as an example). There is of course, even more shutdown components in the assassin lines that will buff iW quite hard. Might even become a viable flagger -.-
Should be consistent dps (high) and lots of snares and shutdown.

iW isnt really owned by humility. Its long duration usually sidestep it. Getting rended is the ultimate slap, but i havent seen anyone use rend in a while.

d3kst3r

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Brisbane, Australia

08 Feb 2006 at 02:43 - 27

Now that you mention it I do feel pretty pissed off that I forgot to try an IW dagger build during the faction weekend. That would really be the most powerful melee build in the game by far.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

08 Feb 2006 at 07:46 - 28

Afaik, daggers have the same speed as swords/axes, the only difference is the dual strike skills and double attacks that the assassin gets that make the hits seem faster. An IW mesmer will not have access to any of these.

d3kst3r

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Brisbane, Australia

08 Feb 2006 at 08:14 - 29

The way I remember it is that daggers do very low damage however they strike twice each time you attack. Therefore with IW and 16 Illusion you should be doing 84 dmg per attack.

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 Feb 2006 at 16:47 - 30

http://guildwars.ogaming.com/data/3665~Assassin.php

"Dagger Mastery: Dagger Mastery increases damage and critical hit strikes while wielding daggers. Also, the higher Dagger Mastery is in rank, the more double strikes the Assassin will receive."

The link is just where I got it from but I remember it being the same description in the game. The problem here is that, when using IW, you don't want to have to pump your weapon skill so the number of dual strikes you would land would be minimal unless you want to sacrifice all those attribute points.