This weekend is sucking so far
Nevin
At first I was impressed by the array of assassin dagger skills, but when I looked into it, I realized even with a 16 they'd still be pretty crappy.. And in Dark Arts, the throw three daggers move? Thats a joke, 45 earth damage.. Usually bellow the max damage. I'm also a little pissed that their isn't a sneak move for assassins where they become invicible for a short period of time. (THIS WOULD HELP GREAT IN RP OR PVP, THINK SCOUUUUUTS)
cagan
I didn't get peoples issues with not being given faction to get a few skills to start with.
Now, don't get me wrong, the prebuilts were pretty far from spectacular, but, they were adequate to get up some practice, and faction, at least in the random arena.
For example. My favourite of the prebuilts, the E/A, whatever its name was ... elite assassin maintained teleport spell, and a few close burny spells.
As it was, it wasn't too great .. but it worked alright in Random, it was my first PvP *ever*, and i racked up 11 in a row. It worked simply enough .. port in, burn everything, port out .. rinse and repeat. Usually a burst in killed at least 1 guy, more if they were near eachother.
It wasn't fast faction, but it worked.
The barrage ranger .. was a reasonable damage dealer ... and was especially effective at all the ritualists who didn't move ... a few barrages did a lot of damage to them .. and killed there nearby spirits.
The trap ranger premade was also fairly reasonable .. quite reasonable at killing.
Gaining the first faction you would need for skills really wasn't too hard for a novice PvP'er. It wasn't huge faction, but it came, and would have been enough to purchase the first few skills you would need to slowly improve the builds.
One battle i went into in random ... 1 guy on our team saw me as a prebuilt, and left us. it was 3 on 4 .... and we won. It was close, 7 kills to 6, but the E/A worked ... and we went on to win 7 in a row once another guy joined us next round.
Now, don't get me wrong, the prebuilts were pretty far from spectacular, but, they were adequate to get up some practice, and faction, at least in the random arena.
For example. My favourite of the prebuilts, the E/A, whatever its name was ... elite assassin maintained teleport spell, and a few close burny spells.
As it was, it wasn't too great .. but it worked alright in Random, it was my first PvP *ever*, and i racked up 11 in a row. It worked simply enough .. port in, burn everything, port out .. rinse and repeat. Usually a burst in killed at least 1 guy, more if they were near eachother.
It wasn't fast faction, but it worked.
The barrage ranger .. was a reasonable damage dealer ... and was especially effective at all the ritualists who didn't move ... a few barrages did a lot of damage to them .. and killed there nearby spirits.
The trap ranger premade was also fairly reasonable .. quite reasonable at killing.
Gaining the first faction you would need for skills really wasn't too hard for a novice PvP'er. It wasn't huge faction, but it came, and would have been enough to purchase the first few skills you would need to slowly improve the builds.
One battle i went into in random ... 1 guy on our team saw me as a prebuilt, and left us. it was 3 on 4 .... and we won. It was close, 7 kills to 6, but the E/A worked ... and we went on to win 7 in a row once another guy joined us next round.
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by cagan
I didn't get peoples issues with not being given faction to get a few skills to start with.
Now, don't get me wrong, the prebuilts were pretty far from spectacular, but, they were adequate to get up some practice, and faction, at least in the random arena. The barrage ranger .. was a reasonable damage dealer ... and was especially effective at all the ritualists who didn't move ... a few barrages did a lot of damage to them .. and killed there nearby spirits. |
Dude, I was wondering what was up with all the barragers! LOL
That's hilarious. What's funny is that spiteful on a barrage ranger is AWESOME. They seem to take damage for EACH enemy target they hit with the skill.
Former Ruling
I made a thread about how the expereince could have been better handled days ago...that thread I can not find now so I can assume the worst for it.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
im having a really hard time getting faction with all my CA teams consisting of only assassins and ritualist, which both are completely garbage classes so far,
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| and it seems im always stuck with the people who are playing for free |
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| im getting tired of these A-Holes with SS builds picking on these newbs, im trying to kill a monk and i see my 3 assassin teammates die like insects being crushed by a boot and it sickens me |
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| i counted 56 matches in a row without a monk on my team |
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| and as bad as CA is, TA is even worse, 99% of the people there are assassins and ritualists trying to be invited into parties |
I'm brilliant in my solutions to your displeasure.
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| im not pvping any more this weekend, thanks ANet for ruining what should have been a fun weekend |
fiery
i kinda of laughed when i read the first post.
LightningHell
Sorry for dragging the conversation down to flame level (well, sort of).
First of all, I don't like your grammar. Not that this has any relation, but it gets me annoyed 
How garbage is the Ritualist and the Assassin? I mean, if you have half a brain, you would have been able to actually make a build that uses it or just NOT USE THOSE DAMN CLASSES?
Get a life. I don't care how, when, or where, just get a goddamn life. Buy it, steal it, whatever. GET A LIFE.
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
im having a really hard time getting faction with all my CA teams consisting of only assassins and ritualist, which both are completely garbage classes so far, and it seems im always stuck with the people who are playing for free
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How garbage is the Ritualist and the Assassin? I mean, if you have half a brain, you would have been able to actually make a build that uses it or just NOT USE THOSE DAMN CLASSES?
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
im not pvping any more this weekend, thanks ANet for ruining what should have been a fun weekend
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MoeSyzslak
This weekend was GREAT!
1 - got to abuse new A/Ws with SS/Empathy
2 - took the opportunity to try a Fire Ele in Random since there would be so many new players on - had fun Meteor Showering Rit spirits both offensively and defensively
3 - tried out an A/W using the first 3 prebuilt dagger skills, an interrupt, ViM, Bonetti's, and Caltrops - had fun...more fun than success, but fun nonetheless
Thanks Anet!
1 - got to abuse new A/Ws with SS/Empathy
2 - took the opportunity to try a Fire Ele in Random since there would be so many new players on - had fun Meteor Showering Rit spirits both offensively and defensively
3 - tried out an A/W using the first 3 prebuilt dagger skills, an interrupt, ViM, Bonetti's, and Caltrops - had fun...more fun than success, but fun nonetheless
Thanks Anet!
Rodrigo
This weekend was fun 
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It's sad to see people not getting the point of the weekened, tough.
.It's sad to see people not getting the point of the weekened, tough.
asdar
This is almost sad it's so funny. I got easily 50k+ faction in Randoms this weekend.
It was pretty cool to see the difference from Friday night to Sunday. Friday night I took a nec/mes with arcane echo and life transfer and made it to teams every single time I played. A/W, A/W, A/W, A/W on a LOT of teams. I could have taken the whole team alone.
Sunday was a different story. People started thinking about their builds more and the assassins were no longer a joke.
I started out thinking that assassins were way underpowered and ritualists over, at least for defense, but now I think they'll both fit into the mix very well, neither over or underpowered.
It was pretty cool to see the difference from Friday night to Sunday. Friday night I took a nec/mes with arcane echo and life transfer and made it to teams every single time I played. A/W, A/W, A/W, A/W on a LOT of teams. I could have taken the whole team alone.
Sunday was a different story. People started thinking about their builds more and the assassins were no longer a joke.
I started out thinking that assassins were way underpowered and ritualists over, at least for defense, but now I think they'll both fit into the mix very well, neither over or underpowered.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by asdar
This is almost sad it's so funny. I got easily 50k+ faction in Randoms this weekend.
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You call that easy?
50k in RA? How long does one play for that?
Phades
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Originally Posted by Makkert
Holy Crap!
You call that easy? 50k in RA? How long does one play for that? |
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
im getting tired of these A-Holes with SS builds picking on these newbs, im trying to kill a monk and i see my 3 assassin teammates die like insects being crushed by a boot and it sickens me
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Get used to it kid.
All those assassin newbies were free faction for me. LOVED IT. And don't think that it was just the newbies that I raped. Players with accounts who made A/W and W/A and whatever other assassin combos fell to me. SS + Empathy = lol
I don't feel sorry for it. Maybe the next time people get hexed they'll take a second and read what the hell that hex on them is doing. But they won't, and I'll keep winning. Maybe you should've gone in as a hex removal mesmer/monk? Maybe you should've gone in as an interupt ranger (the few I did run into never focused on me for long... if they had, I would've been RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed... STICK WITH IT!).
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you should've countered all of us asshole SS necros. But you didn't. You cried because you couldn't play your w/mo.
P.S. I had plenty of teams with monks in them in RA. And I earned about 17k faction from this weekend. In fact, with one team with Medic Sakura (our monk at the time), we went 26 rounds (10 in RA, then we got automatically moved to TA for the next 16).
P.P.S. Or make your own SS necro and stop complaining about us uber1337 h4x0rs.
MoeSyzslak
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Originally Posted by Makkert
Holy Crap!
You call that easy? 50k in RA? How long does one play for that? |
Assumptions:
55% standard wins (+105 faction)
40% Flawless OR consecutive bonus (+130 faction)
5% Flawless AND consecutive bonus (+155 faction)
Time/win (rounded to nearest 15 minutes)
3 minutes = 21.25 Hours
2.5 minutes = 17.75 hours
2 minutes = 14.25 hours
In other words, if each win takes 2 minutes (add or subtract the wait time as you wish) and is divided amongst the percentages laid out above, one would need to win every game for 14+ hours...
The Bofski
hmm dunno how scientific this is but on the friday i played off and on for about 14 hrs - from 8am to 11, then from about 5pm - 4am and i got 13k faction from that, just under 1k an hour and that wasnt even with good winning streaks - the best i think was 8 on the trot... after that i kinda stopped, but if he had plenty of wins on the trot over the 3 days i could easily see ppl gettin more than 50k faction from it
asdar
trust me when i say that matches weren't lasting 15 minutes.
Friday night my first time into arena's I won 32 straight. It took about 3 hours, maybe a bit more but not much. 9 out of 10 were flawless, even after we went to team arenas.
Friday was easily over half my faction, but I played 14 hours this weekend at least.
Friday night my first time into arena's I won 32 straight. It took about 3 hours, maybe a bit more but not much. 9 out of 10 were flawless, even after we went to team arenas.
Friday was easily over half my faction, but I played 14 hours this weekend at least.
antialias02
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Originally Posted by asdar
trust me when i say that matches weren't lasting 15 minutes.
Friday night my first time into arena's I won 32 straight. It took about 3 hours, maybe a bit more but not much. 9 out of 10 were flawless, even after we went to team arenas. Friday was easily over half my faction, but I played 14 hours this weekend at least. |
As for me, though, I think I got 3k faction from about 5 hours of random arena play. Not bad... but not Asdar.
QuixotesGhost
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Originally Posted by Phades
Assuming he had alot of flawless winstreaks and the matches were relativly short (not possible with some ritualist builds), he could have been around 4-5k per hour played. Considering the number of assasin pre-made templates that were running around, i do not find that too shocking. That pre-made has got to be worse than the paladin premade for pvp. So if he built something that countered melee heavily and was paired with a good monk, rit, or both, then it is quite possible for something like that. I believe i bumped into a team once or twice that consisted of 2 w/e axe warrior, a Anti melee mesmer, and a good boon/prot monk that would basically steam roll just about anything new in the team arenas.
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"Um, don't you want to explore the new classes, earn some faction, instead of running around for 10 minutes?"
"I PLAY WOW,NOOB STFU ABOUT UR STUPAD GAME!11!"
Btw, anyone else run into any griefers from WoW on a guest key? I hit quite a few.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by MoeSyzslak
I decided to take a stab at this. If I'm wrong...send my Nobel Prize elsewhere.
Assumptions: 55% standard wins (+105 faction) 40% Flawless OR consecutive bonus (+130 faction) 5% Flawless AND consecutive bonus (+155 faction) Time/win (rounded to nearest 15 minutes) 3 minutes = 21.25 Hours 2.5 minutes = 17.75 hours 2 minutes = 14.25 hours In other words, if each win takes 2 minutes (add or subtract the wait time as you wish) and is divided amongst the percentages laid out above, one would need to win every game for 14+ hours... |
I'd say based on this experience, that it is probably faster then 14 hours.
Big_Iron
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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost
Every other damn game I had one of those A/W prebuilds drag out the game for an extra 5-10 minutes running.
"Um, don't you want to explore the new classes, earn some faction, instead of running around for 10 minutes?" "I PLAY WOW,NOOB STFU ABOUT UR STUPAD GAME!11!" Btw, anyone else run into any griefers from WoW on a guest key? I hit quite a few. |
Lykan
One thing I think would have helped all the newbies running around CA this weekend would probably to have included a RES-SIG in the premade build everyone was using..
l33t hacker -"omg im dead res you n00b wtf!"
pvp previewer - "rez? whats that?"
l33t hacker -"omg im dead res you n00b wtf!"
pvp previewer - "rez? whats that?"
drowningfish999
What I would have done was have a Trial Client Only district/server where only players using the trial key went, or at least have all the arenas only pit players against other Trial Clients so they can get a better feel for the game without being gangraped by experienced players.
Lambentviper
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
you all seem to be taking what i said too far
i said its been crappy SO FAR, it might get much better for me, i just needed to vent a little |
So that SORTA nullifies "so far"
Lady Lozza
The pre-builds suck??? Really, I honestly hadn't noticed. While it did take me about an hour to get used to my new Ritualist (Earth Binder), after that hour I was fine. Sure, the pre-build isn't uber, but then who wants it to be? I had no problem getting the necessary wins to make each of the arenas and even did a stint in HA, on the new character, with the pre-build. Once I had a ridiculous amount of faction I then went and spent it on skills and did change some, but largely kept it the same.
I've said this 100 times before. ANY build can work (yes, even pre-builds), it all depends on the player.
I've said this 100 times before. ANY build can work (yes, even pre-builds), it all depends on the player.
BBoy_Manchild
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
Well you DID say that you werent gonna play the rest of the weekend in your first post.
So that SORTA nullifies "so far" |
Nevin
If you have problems with runners, bring a cripple skill?
And also, pre-builds usually have some sort of disadvantage (intentional or unintentional)
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Brutal Bombadier - Has no heals what so ever..
This is where player instincts come in, what can I ditch to heal? Hmm the Ritualist res skill could be replaced with a res signet, and with those points I could put them into Wilderness survival along with a minor rune getting a +5 troll ungeunt. Which is better then nothing.
And also, pre-builds usually have some sort of disadvantage (intentional or unintentional)
Example:
Brutal Bombadier - Has no heals what so ever..
This is where player instincts come in, what can I ditch to heal? Hmm the Ritualist res skill could be replaced with a res signet, and with those points I could put them into Wilderness survival along with a minor rune getting a +5 troll ungeunt. Which is better then nothing.
Banebow
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Originally Posted by Nevin
This is where player instincts come in, what can I ditch to heal? Hmm the Ritualist res skill could be replaced with a res signet, and with those points I could put them into Wilderness survival along with a minor rune getting a +5 troll ungeunt. Which is better then nothing.
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Nevin
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Originally Posted by Banebow
To the best of my knowledge, res signet is not unlockable with faction. Maybe I just missed it (always a possibility), but that means all the people on trial accounts had no choice about brining it or not. And, of course, you can expect very few new players to choose a single time res over one that they can use multiple times. Well, just tossing that out there. . .
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(I think res signet, isn't unlockable my mistake.)
Diablo???
it was fun for me...
neoteo
i just want to say , it was great to see so many guildless people completely lost and amazed with the game ... a massive income of fresh people .. i spent some time in pvp towns just chating with them ... asking what they think about the game , if they are going to buy it etc etc ...
Great weekend Anet
Great weekend Anet