Wards Mes & Primeval Tombs
Ayres_Spellbinder
Does someone have a good setup for a Wards Mes? I've been playing an Echo Nuker, and was looking for a Wards setup and another good setup for Primeval Tombs. I'm A Mes/E and I also switch to a Mes/N. Any suggestions will be helpful.
seven
last time we went tombs, i used this setup:
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Physical Resistance
Res Sig.
Ether Feast
Cry of Frustration
Mantra of Resolve
Mantra of Recall
worked fairly well, only used phys resistance rarely when things got too close; can be substituted with distortion though it will need some pts in illusion.
if you have a ranger partner that can bring greater conflag,
you can switch the wards against melee with ward against harm.
just find another enery management spell instead of mantra of recall.
perhaps energy tap or attunement.
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Physical Resistance
Res Sig.
Ether Feast
Cry of Frustration
Mantra of Resolve
Mantra of Recall
worked fairly well, only used phys resistance rarely when things got too close; can be substituted with distortion though it will need some pts in illusion.
if you have a ranger partner that can bring greater conflag,
you can switch the wards against melee with ward against harm.
just find another enery management spell instead of mantra of recall.
perhaps energy tap or attunement.
LightningHell
Why bring Physical Resistance?
Nessaja
An Elementalist does that a LOT better.
First of all because they can bring more then just wards, what the hell are ether feast and phys res good for. You arent good for anything other then your wards (ONE interrupt is really nothing to brag about)
Second because they can actualy have a 20 second ward, these mes wards stop after like 16 seconds? 4 seconds downtime is enough to get killed in.
First of all because they can bring more then just wards, what the hell are ether feast and phys res good for. You arent good for anything other then your wards (ONE interrupt is really nothing to brag about)
Second because they can actualy have a 20 second ward, these mes wards stop after like 16 seconds? 4 seconds downtime is enough to get killed in.
Avarre
Yes Nessaja, eles can do it better, but this is a thread for a Wards Mes (not everyone has an ele! 
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I'd drop physical res, it's a conflicting stance with mantra of resolve. Add in perhaps power drain or leech signet... ether feast is a decent selfheal, helps to offload some of the requirements of the monks.
Interesting build seven, I'll have to try playing warder.
)I'd drop physical res, it's a conflicting stance with mantra of resolve. Add in perhaps power drain or leech signet... ether feast is a decent selfheal, helps to offload some of the requirements of the monks.
Interesting build seven, I'll have to try playing warder.
seven
point taken Nessaja. and yes; i do acknowledge that indeed an elementist does wards better. however, if i read the thread title right, it does say "Wards Mes & Primeval Tombs" doesn't it?
hmm, i never recalled bragging about my one interrupt, except for it's inclusion in the skill list. and as it seems it really isn't your cup of tea; i'm in no mood to convince you otherwise. however, i personally found it quite useful. go ahead and do your martyr builds without interrupt protection and slower casting, and leave us be. if you find the martyr more effective in the interrupt-infested tombs, then by all means; use it, have fun with it and more power to you. no one's forcing you to do so or wants to change your view otherwise.
and please don't exaggerate the facts, get your numbers right. being an elementist, i expected you to know better. at earth magic 12; both of these wards last 18 seconds, not 16. the difference beetween the duration and the recharge is only 2 seconds not 4.
the whole point that the thread is trying to get across is that a warder mes in the tombs is possible. maybe not as effective in terms of duration, but yes, you can complete the tombs with it. the effectivity comparison with an ele primary warder was a non-issue before, so why bring it up?
what are ether feast and physical resistance good for? it's called a little bit of self-reliance. when the frontlines are broken in some unfortunate circumstances, it's nice to have a little bit of self defense and self-healing for that matter. having much experience in playing as a healer also, i understand and value so well the ability of some teammates not entirely relying on monks for healing. it helps with the hectic load the party healer already has.
why physical resistance? from personal experience, i get damaged mostly from physical attacks when the frontlines could not properly contain the denizens of the tombs or when laying the wards near them. it just so happens that i rarely get hit from magical attacks like meteors from heavens and such; so as logic would dictate, i decided to bring some physical protection.
with a considerable amount of pts already invested in inspiration, and not wanting to spread out attributes too thinly, i opted for physical resistance.
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granted, the wards downtime is enough to kill; but then again, as a spellcaster, you shouldn't remain near the frontlines after you have laid down your wards don't you agree? and our tanks? well they also value self-reliance as well and are quite capable of surviving the downtime of the wards.
as i have said previously, i rarely had to use resistance; only in emergency situations when the battle scenarios were following the laws of murphy. it might seem as a conflicting stance with mantra of resolve, but the parameters of when they are used are not. i didn't need a counter for interrupts when i was just doing a strategic retreat torwards a tactical position, and i didn't need a defensive stance either when the battle mechanics were running smoothly.
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but to elaborate and inform of you of the situation, this particular "run" we had at the tombs; was actually supposed to be a practice run, as it was one of the very first times we finished the tombs since it was introduced. the team needed a warder, and not yet personally knowing how a mesmer warder would fare in such a situation, the team had their theoretical and sample test builds out for a spin, so to speak.
we were pleasantly surprised we made it all the way through. the same kind of pleasant surprise when we finished the tombs with having 2 zaishen healers (our only healers) and 2 zaishen archers. (but that's another story for another time)
having gone through it a couple of more times, the team has adapted more and modifications were made. if i ever needed to play a warder mes again, the only change that was made is where i switched phys resist with another interrupt... but only because the containment issues and the proper cues of when to and where to cast has been learned. much like to what Avarre was thinking.
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but of course i would still prefer the job of a mesmer when going in tombs; but when your team needs a role to be filled, we try our best to adapt.
hmm, i never recalled bragging about my one interrupt, except for it's inclusion in the skill list. and as it seems it really isn't your cup of tea; i'm in no mood to convince you otherwise. however, i personally found it quite useful. go ahead and do your martyr builds without interrupt protection and slower casting, and leave us be. if you find the martyr more effective in the interrupt-infested tombs, then by all means; use it, have fun with it and more power to you. no one's forcing you to do so or wants to change your view otherwise.
and please don't exaggerate the facts, get your numbers right. being an elementist, i expected you to know better. at earth magic 12; both of these wards last 18 seconds, not 16. the difference beetween the duration and the recharge is only 2 seconds not 4.
the whole point that the thread is trying to get across is that a warder mes in the tombs is possible. maybe not as effective in terms of duration, but yes, you can complete the tombs with it. the effectivity comparison with an ele primary warder was a non-issue before, so why bring it up?
what are ether feast and physical resistance good for? it's called a little bit of self-reliance. when the frontlines are broken in some unfortunate circumstances, it's nice to have a little bit of self defense and self-healing for that matter. having much experience in playing as a healer also, i understand and value so well the ability of some teammates not entirely relying on monks for healing. it helps with the hectic load the party healer already has.
why physical resistance? from personal experience, i get damaged mostly from physical attacks when the frontlines could not properly contain the denizens of the tombs or when laying the wards near them. it just so happens that i rarely get hit from magical attacks like meteors from heavens and such; so as logic would dictate, i decided to bring some physical protection.
with a considerable amount of pts already invested in inspiration, and not wanting to spread out attributes too thinly, i opted for physical resistance.
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granted, the wards downtime is enough to kill; but then again, as a spellcaster, you shouldn't remain near the frontlines after you have laid down your wards don't you agree? and our tanks? well they also value self-reliance as well and are quite capable of surviving the downtime of the wards.
as i have said previously, i rarely had to use resistance; only in emergency situations when the battle scenarios were following the laws of murphy. it might seem as a conflicting stance with mantra of resolve, but the parameters of when they are used are not. i didn't need a counter for interrupts when i was just doing a strategic retreat torwards a tactical position, and i didn't need a defensive stance either when the battle mechanics were running smoothly.
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but to elaborate and inform of you of the situation, this particular "run" we had at the tombs; was actually supposed to be a practice run, as it was one of the very first times we finished the tombs since it was introduced. the team needed a warder, and not yet personally knowing how a mesmer warder would fare in such a situation, the team had their theoretical and sample test builds out for a spin, so to speak.
we were pleasantly surprised we made it all the way through. the same kind of pleasant surprise when we finished the tombs with having 2 zaishen healers (our only healers) and 2 zaishen archers. (but that's another story for another time)
having gone through it a couple of more times, the team has adapted more and modifications were made. if i ever needed to play a warder mes again, the only change that was made is where i switched phys resist with another interrupt... but only because the containment issues and the proper cues of when to and where to cast has been learned. much like to what Avarre was thinking.
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but of course i would still prefer the job of a mesmer when going in tombs; but when your team needs a role to be filled, we try our best to adapt.
Ayres_Spellbinder
Hey, you said did you exchange Phys Resistence with?
Nessaja
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Originally Posted by seven
point taken Nessaja. and yes; i do acknowledge that indeed an elementist does wards better. however, if i read the thread title right, it does say "Wards Mes & Primeval Tombs" doesn't it?
I don't think you understand the point of my comment - there isnt anything that a mesmer primary with wards does better then an elementalist primary. Simpe concept. Why would you make a character that is inferior on pretty much all points - it does not make sense.
Do what you're good at I say, go interrupt, use spells that benefit from fast casting dominate your enemy, a Ward Elementalist is actualy better at spike healing and elemental protection then a monk - what does this mesmer excel in?
Wards Duration - fair enough, I know that 15->16 meant 1 second difference, assumed the other 3 would mean another 3 seconds difference.
I never said you bragged about cry of frustration- it is, however, everything your build has to offer as opposed to an elementalist, on the other hand, an E/Me Would use CoF just as good.
Just about every build is "possible" if you have a good team around you, that doesn't make it effective, or a recommended build.
Phys Resistance and Ether Feast - I don't know about your groups, I've never had to heal myself in the new Tombs or in UW/FoW. As my warding ele or my monk, I get pissed off at my group for focussing on keeping themselves alive while that is my job, theirs is to do damage.
Using Wards on your secondary is fine - but this isnt mesmer specific, using wards on your monk or your necro will give you a similar outcome.
Do what you're good at I say, go interrupt, use spells that benefit from fast casting dominate your enemy, a Ward Elementalist is actualy better at spike healing and elemental protection then a monk - what does this mesmer excel in?
Wards Duration - fair enough, I know that 15->16 meant 1 second difference, assumed the other 3 would mean another 3 seconds difference.
I never said you bragged about cry of frustration- it is, however, everything your build has to offer as opposed to an elementalist, on the other hand, an E/Me Would use CoF just as good.
Just about every build is "possible" if you have a good team around you, that doesn't make it effective, or a recommended build.
Phys Resistance and Ether Feast - I don't know about your groups, I've never had to heal myself in the new Tombs or in UW/FoW. As my warding ele or my monk, I get pissed off at my group for focussing on keeping themselves alive while that is my job, theirs is to do damage.
Using Wards on your secondary is fine - but this isnt mesmer specific, using wards on your monk or your necro will give you a similar outcome.
Ayres_Spellbinder
Nessaja-I was curious as to what you think would be a good build for a mes in tombs then.
seven
oh no, i understood that very well. in fact i acknowledged it over and over.
it is you who cannot understand what we've been trying to say in plain english. good grief, just when i thought you couldn't get any more denser.
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but as to explain this "simpe" concept as you so fondly call it ... to be understood by a "simpe" person, let me repeat it once again what we've been trying to tell you all along:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
did you even bother to read the entire post? i did not create my mesmer just for the sole purpose of warding. in fact, it is quite low on my priority list of roles i could fill. how can you therefore say that we would purposely make a character which is pretty much inferior in all pts? the warder mes was used when the team needed a specific role; and since no one else online at that time had it, this was my particular mesmer adaptation to it. i have no plans to keep using a warder mes as my primary build. just in case once in a blue moon that i needed to do wards, i would have already known what to do.
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you said it youself plainly that using wards on your secondary is fine.
what is your whole flawed argument about then?
oh where o where did you ever get the idea that we were saying warding is mesmer specific?
oh where o where did you ever get the idea that we were saying that we could do wards better than the other magical classes?
you said it yourself, you made a mistake about ward durations due to "assumptions". but it seems the rest of your arguments are just based on assumptions as well. did you "assume" that the point of this thread was to glorify the mesmer warder above all other warders?
well, in a "simpe" way of saying it: you assumed wrong.
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avarre said it as well, not everyone has an elementist.
same way as not everyone wants to make one just so they can boast their wards lasting a few seconds longer.
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you tell us then, why do other classes aside from monks create their own versions of the 55? surely, according to your school of thought; they must not make any sense since their healing, protection, and smiting attributes would be inferior to the monk.
but still people do. why?
it's actually "simpe": they try at adapting a specific role. better than just taking the unimaginative, traditional easy way out ... want a 55? make a monk primary, want a tank? make a wammo. want a warder? make an ele.
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we're simply trying to make do and adapt with what we have.
and not fussing or crying over things that we don't.
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to make this "simpe" to you:
you're sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong.
this is a thread for the disscussion of a memer warder.
how to adapt it into warding mode, just in case *shudder*
no eles are available online.
not an ele warder, mesmer. m-e-s-m-e-r.
simple is spelled as s-i-m-p-l-e.
this is not a debate thread on which does wards better.
go make your own ele warder vs. any other warder thread if you want to boast about your ele warding more.
this thread does not say mesmer warders are better than other warders.
we just want to adapt our own version, can't you understand that?
and to repeat it once again, just in case you still don't get it:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
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since you asked it, what can we do that your martyr build can't? faster casting and better interrupt protection. you can't use SB decently since you don't have divine favor and your glyphs can't protect you from multiple interrupts like mantra of resolve can. and yet in spite of this; we humbly bow down and say your wards are indeed better.
as for the whole self-reliant vs. role-specific teammates;
it's a huge debate if you want to start it, but i hardly think this is the proper venue for it. too much time was already been wasted by wrong assumptions when the primary purpose of enchancing the warder mes has taken a backseat by people who have no other reason for staying here other than glorifying their own class builds.
if that is how you personally feel as the most tactical way of skillsets; and all those who brings self-heals piss you off: chances are are they're pissed at you as well ... no love lost beetween.
by all means go on ahead with that battle theory mr. sun tzu. go write a tactical book about it too. it would be pointless to convince you otherwise.
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but just answer this honestly and truthfully: has no partymate of yours *ever* died in the heat of the battle? if no one has ever died under your watch, then i salute you then, more power to you.
but if at times they died, just when your job was to keep them alive ... perhaps there is a reason then why they bring self heals along, don't you think?
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one last time, just to be sure that it finally reaches you:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
take your "1 am uber l33t ward3r 3l3m3ntist. all oth3r ward3rs ar3 inf3rior" reasoning back to the ele forums, we certainly don't need your kind here at the mesmer pages.
it is you who cannot understand what we've been trying to say in plain english. good grief, just when i thought you couldn't get any more denser.
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but as to explain this "simpe" concept as you so fondly call it ... to be understood by a "simpe" person, let me repeat it once again what we've been trying to tell you all along:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
did you even bother to read the entire post? i did not create my mesmer just for the sole purpose of warding. in fact, it is quite low on my priority list of roles i could fill. how can you therefore say that we would purposely make a character which is pretty much inferior in all pts? the warder mes was used when the team needed a specific role; and since no one else online at that time had it, this was my particular mesmer adaptation to it. i have no plans to keep using a warder mes as my primary build. just in case once in a blue moon that i needed to do wards, i would have already known what to do.
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you said it youself plainly that using wards on your secondary is fine.
what is your whole flawed argument about then?
oh where o where did you ever get the idea that we were saying warding is mesmer specific?
oh where o where did you ever get the idea that we were saying that we could do wards better than the other magical classes?
you said it yourself, you made a mistake about ward durations due to "assumptions". but it seems the rest of your arguments are just based on assumptions as well. did you "assume" that the point of this thread was to glorify the mesmer warder above all other warders?
well, in a "simpe" way of saying it: you assumed wrong.
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avarre said it as well, not everyone has an elementist.
same way as not everyone wants to make one just so they can boast their wards lasting a few seconds longer.
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you tell us then, why do other classes aside from monks create their own versions of the 55? surely, according to your school of thought; they must not make any sense since their healing, protection, and smiting attributes would be inferior to the monk.
but still people do. why?
it's actually "simpe": they try at adapting a specific role. better than just taking the unimaginative, traditional easy way out ... want a 55? make a monk primary, want a tank? make a wammo. want a warder? make an ele.
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we're simply trying to make do and adapt with what we have.
and not fussing or crying over things that we don't.
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to make this "simpe" to you:
you're sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong.
this is a thread for the disscussion of a memer warder.
how to adapt it into warding mode, just in case *shudder*
no eles are available online.
not an ele warder, mesmer. m-e-s-m-e-r.
simple is spelled as s-i-m-p-l-e.
this is not a debate thread on which does wards better.
go make your own ele warder vs. any other warder thread if you want to boast about your ele warding more.
this thread does not say mesmer warders are better than other warders.
we just want to adapt our own version, can't you understand that?
and to repeat it once again, just in case you still don't get it:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
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since you asked it, what can we do that your martyr build can't? faster casting and better interrupt protection. you can't use SB decently since you don't have divine favor and your glyphs can't protect you from multiple interrupts like mantra of resolve can. and yet in spite of this; we humbly bow down and say your wards are indeed better.
as for the whole self-reliant vs. role-specific teammates;
it's a huge debate if you want to start it, but i hardly think this is the proper venue for it. too much time was already been wasted by wrong assumptions when the primary purpose of enchancing the warder mes has taken a backseat by people who have no other reason for staying here other than glorifying their own class builds.
if that is how you personally feel as the most tactical way of skillsets; and all those who brings self-heals piss you off: chances are are they're pissed at you as well ... no love lost beetween.
by all means go on ahead with that battle theory mr. sun tzu. go write a tactical book about it too. it would be pointless to convince you otherwise.
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but just answer this honestly and truthfully: has no partymate of yours *ever* died in the heat of the battle? if no one has ever died under your watch, then i salute you then, more power to you.
but if at times they died, just when your job was to keep them alive ... perhaps there is a reason then why they bring self heals along, don't you think?
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one last time, just to be sure that it finally reaches you:
1. we know your wards are better.
2. we don't care if it is.
take your "1 am uber l33t ward3r 3l3m3ntist. all oth3r ward3rs ar3 inf3rior" reasoning back to the ele forums, we certainly don't need your kind here at the mesmer pages.
Illusion
^^^^^^^^agreed i hate people who brag and think there better cus there a different proffesion
Ju_Smurph
i would not get to concerened,
I will tell you a joke:
An elementalist walks into a bar and the bar keeper says to them "Your ****ed, this is a mesmer club."
Thought a Mesmer/Warder is an interseting idea, not for the wards, but for the other skills they take along.
I will tell you a joke:
An elementalist walks into a bar and the bar keeper says to them "Your ****ed, this is a mesmer club."
Thought a Mesmer/Warder is an interseting idea, not for the wards, but for the other skills they take along.
Nessaja
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Originally Posted by seven
it is you who cannot understand what we've been trying to say in plain english. good grief, just when i thought you couldn't get any more denser.
Quote: too much crap to keep quoted. And I've never said you cant do that.
but lets get one thing straight, I'm just fine here, guildwars players arent restricted to one character and I have my mesmer. I just think that a warder mesmer is a TERRIBLE build, and you can't seem to deal with that.
I believe I am entitled to that, or am I not?
So please, grow up, I understood your points perfectly fine., trying to do somehing you are so inferior in that you might aswell go healing with a warrior. But by all means, go ahead, and while you're at it, play a minion master with a ranger, and a trapper with a mesmer aswell.
I have a mesmer, I know its strengths, and I know what it isnt effective and a pure wards mesmer the way you built it is not one of those things, final.
And while we're at it, if you want to argumentate, do it in a normal way, and if you got problems, take someone else to spitt on.
As a final point, NEEDING a warder? that's just thinking in boxes, even more a character thats only devoted to wards like the build you posted, when you're doing wards on secondary, atleast be a hybrid so ou got something to do in those 20 seconds, not just that pathetic cry of frustration.
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Because I don't believe the ward mesmer is a build to advertise at all. And when I do have a build that builds on wards and works alright I would still post it here, no need to clutter the board with topics about the same subject.|
but just answer this honestly and truthfully: has no partymate of yours *ever* died in the heat of the battle? if no one has ever died under your watch, then i salute you then, more power to you. but if at times they died, just when your job was to keep them alive ... perhaps there is a reason then why they bring self heals along, don't you think? With my guild: yes. In pugs, if ether feast can save you, then I can aswell- people tend to die when they lure too much groups in such a case, ether feast won't save you either, perhaps you'll endure a second longer - on the other han, if you brought another interrupt I didnt have to heal as much to start with. Quote:
I've already said that from your build ether feast and physical resistance should be replaced with skills for the team, like interrupts.
I've also suggested that you're better off doing what you are good at. If you only want positive comments then don't post on a forum that is meant for discussion. Quote: you could have easily let this thread die in a natural death and let your own thread flourish with your "better" ideas. but no, you kept posting here. why? is it because you like being the center of attention? |
Is it because I like to be the center of attention? WTF, don't try to be a psychologist You're terrible at it. If you don't know what a normal discussion is then I wonder what you're doing on a forum.
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you have already done that.
you have already stated your piece.
you have already said that it is crappy and terrible idea.
we said yes, it is not as strong as an ele warder.
we said yes, it is not mesmer specific.
yes you are entitled to your own point of view.
we didn't even label your martyr build without sufficient interrupt protection in tombs as "crap" or terrible since we respect that you have your own personal view, which was obviously not reciprocated the other way around. Which might be because 1. a martyr build uses a MONK secondary. Which doesnt carry interrupts. And 2. because this isnt the topic to discuss a E/Mo build. If you WOULD start to discuss a martyr build, you would be labeled offtopic, and that's a warnable offense. I merely mentioned it. Respect has nothing to do with this - heck, talking about respect on a public forum sounds to me like you value this forum slightly too high.
Quote: so tell us then, why are you still here?
could it be perhaps that you find the idea so shockingly distasteful
that you want to make sure no one else tries it?
what other reason could possibly exist for your continued prescence here?
but if that is the case, shouldn't we be entitled to our own views as well?
why can't other people try it? on what higher authority do you have to prevent people from trying it? wasn't the idea of soloing W/x at UW used to be thought of as impossible? wasn't the idea of a solo RMo at FoW outrageous? I'm still here because some ignorant kid keeps making comments about the way I do things. And what he says doesnt have a basis - I'm setting things straight. Other then that, there are some points ONTOPIC which I disagree with and I stated that. I've said this before but you analysis are pretty damn terrible.
I've never tried to disallow any person to not try the build - and I'm all for innovation. I've been discussing the 55hp monk build when W/Mo with mending was the hype in tombs, that was BEFORE the air spike build.
All of your points you make there are null points "can't other people try it" "prevent people from trying it" if anything - I keep bumping this post so more people can try it. Your points are without basis to the point were they are just made up lies.
Quote: if doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it won't work for anyone else. shouldn't you take your own advice about growing up and realize that? And where did I say that it doesnt work for anyone? I've said that I find it a terrible build, directly commenting on what you said. Please put more words in my mouth without basis.
Quote: granted that you're not preventing anyone from trying it out,
why do you need then to keep repeating that this idea is crappy over and over? what is your purpose if not only to gloat and boast? I'm directly commenting on you if you haven't noticed it yet, and since you're rather slow so far I wouldnt be suprised if you didn't ALL my posts have been a direct response to your posts.
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ones at which you can easily start another thread with. yet you keep stuffing yourself in at a thread you don't belong. don't you get noticed enough in real life?|
please tell us: what do you have to lose if some people actually tried doing a mesmer warder? you have already stated your opposition to it more than enough. would it matter at all to you some people actually tried it? if it doesn't, why are you still here then?
See above. I'm reacting on what you are saying, apparently uou are that slow. Also, being here for the point if discussion is the reason why there is a forum here. Quote:
wow, never thought you could also be so full of yourself.
but really, if really can't see what you're doing wrong, namely sticking your nose you're not supposed to be ... i pity you. Quote: I've also suggested that you're better off doing what you are good at. |
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Quote: Because I don't believe the ward mesmer is a build to advertise at all. And when I do have a build that builds on wards and works alright I would still post it here, no need to clutter the board with topics about the same subject. how can you ever post a post a mesmer build on wards, when you have already explicity stated that you think a mesmer warder is a terrible idea? how can you ever post a mesmer warder build after you have labelled it as crap? will you go backtracking and eat your own words yet again?
Quote: Which might be because 1. a martyr build uses a MONK secondary. Which doesnt carry interrupts. And 2. because this isnt the topic to discuss a E/Mo build. If you WOULD start to discuss a martyr build, you would be labeled offtopic, and that's a warnable offense. I merely mentioned it. hmmm, flaunting and repeatedly comparing your build nth times to the mesmer warder is "merely mentioning" it?
who barged in a mesmer forum with such bravado with an opening line as:
"an elementist does it LOT better"?
Quote: Respect has nothing to do with this - heck, talking about respect on a public forum sounds to me like you value this forum slightly too high. that's too bad then, it just goes to show how much you value other opinions in public. i just hope that you still respect other people in private.
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Is it because I like to be the center of attention? WTF, don't try to be a psychologist You're terrible at it. If you don't know what a normal discussion is then I wonder what you're doing on a forum.
thank you for proving this once again yourself. thank you for showing once again that you are an attention-deprived kid with nothing better to do with his life than to keep crapping out other views. but if you want another further example of how mr. nessaja's reacts to a less than a warm reception to his posts, you can just look up his R/W post ... "Less comments please, this is overwhelming." it seems you are already getting pissed when somebody argues with you. but you already expected this in a public forum where you think respect shoudn't be taken too seriously right? Quote:
because you were primarily stating the use of another class, which belongs in another forum.
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The build you have posted is basically an Elemenalist build with a Mesmer being primary. That doesn't work. And yes, I merely mentioned it.
i thought you didn't say that "what doesn't work for you will not work on anyone else?" you didn't say it doesn't work for you, but rather generalized it as "it doesn't work". yet another contradiction to what you previously said. Quote:
I've made up my mind perfectly actualy. I say, it doesn't work, this is my opinion, because I don't think it does work, or is effective. You can keep discussing this, but it has nothing to do with the subject. Wether I say something works or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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at first, you said that you were still here because of me. then, you say this topic has already gone out of the build disscussion. and now you say that you're only here in the forum for discussing builds? since you have already stated that this has gone of of that category, that would only mean that that is not your only reason for being here. At first, the only comments in this topic were a direct reaction to you. Now I've gone past that point as other people DO want to discuss the subject. Unlike you. Quote:
And a meswarder IS crap if it is your primary focus. Sorry to break your heart. If you want your primary focus to be warding, then don't go mesmer primary. If you want to be a hybrid with warding and something a mesmer does good then it can be effective, but not a build I'd like.
The main point that I did make with what I said is that you went offtopic, and started to comment about me for an unknown reason. Quote: i'm sorry, i am guilty of not giving much attention to it ever since someone just barged in and says that the whole idea of a meswarder is crap. who is now backtracking and just says my particular build of meswarder was crap. it's just quite fun arguing with someone who just can't leave a thread alone in peace. Oh and please, in your head put "in your opinion" behind that. It should be rather obvious that everything >I< say is my opinion, unless you're talking about facts/statistics. Quote: |
Quote: well, expect it from now on then. realize that not all people just turns the other cheek around, not everyone throws bread back when thrown a stone. realize that not everyone will just take in crap, without throwing it back with a little extra added. I could flame you to death with the numerous of stupid comments you have made. They aren't in short supply. However, as 1. It's forbidden to do so, and 2.this isn't the topic to talk about that, I don't do so, and I suggest that you do the same.
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privileges as well. whatever "proper" arguments might seem to you, might as well be incoherent, contradicting points for someone else; and you can't change that other view. There are golden rules of discussion, we learned them in the 5th grade. Personal comments have nothing to do with a discussion, and if you take your time and think about it, even if I were a terrorist that is about to do a suicide attack on the white house, that still doesn't have anything to do with wether I'm wrong, or right on my opinion, about your crappy mesmer build.
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however, with all these counter statements are based and quoted on me, so you obviously haven't gotten past that point yet. So who started this? Me by saying something ontopic, or you who said things like:
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take your "1 am uber l33t ward3r 3l3m3ntist. all oth3r ward3rs ar3 inf3rior" reasoning back to the ele forums, we certainly don't need your kind here at the mesmer pages.
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you said that you're only posting here to set things straight about the comments i made about you. someone who doesn't care just leaves. so you obviously do care what we think. you wouldn't keep quoting and presenting counter statements if you really didn't care. you are opposing your own statements again and again. don't expect any nice welcomes when your very intro is offtopic. don't expect any friendly words, when you just can't seem to understand proper places to start with. Quote:
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