What do you value more?
Nevin
Right now I've kinda hit a mile stone with my Necro.. He has a Major vigor rune and a Hale Cruel Staff of Fortitude (+29/+28) In total thats 98 hp... But hes a MM so he has a Superior Death Magic rune with -75 hp.. In total he has 503 hp.. Right now I have enough money to buy a Superior Vigor rune, which would raise me to 512 hp.. And if I got perfect mods on my staff (+30/+30) That'd be 515 hp... What I want to know is, would the 60k-80k that would cost me, be more valuable then say.. 4 black dyes for my necros armor? In the long run I know the 12 more hp would be more practical, but just how practical is it when it comes to being warrior ganked in pvp, I don't think the 12 makes that much of a difference.. Mind you theres tons of skills an MM can accompany himself with to make himself live longer. (Minion Bond, Demonic Flesh) What would you do if you were in my positon? And have any of you ever criss crossed with the challange of deciding on over priced mods for perfection or simply looking cool for a cheaper price?
JR
Personally I think to really make a character PvP ready, it has to have perfect equipment and runes. If you don't, you may aswell just roll up a PvP character.
Teh Azman
In my opinion, superior vigor isn't really worth it, unless you find one then you got a choice of either 10 hp or 40-50k... 12 hp doesn't make a difference at all, if you get down that low its now even gonna help you.
itznitro
I'd drop both the hale and fortitude mods and get some armor+5 mods.
Rhuobhe
This game is all about looking good. Enough said
striderkaaru
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This game is all about looking good. Enough said
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you can calculate 12 hp, but looking good is priceless.
raymie_y
Function over Form every time. Looking good doesn't mean squat except for when you take screenshots. I'd put any one of my characters in a jester's suit with a baby rattle if it had better stats than the current armor and weapons.
SilentAssassin
why do ppl want superior vigors and perfect weapons? ... not because its so much better, doesn't make a difference mostly, its just because some ppl (like me) just want to have perfect things ...
But if you only got 70-80k I wouldn't spend it on superior vigor...
But if you only got 70-80k I wouldn't spend it on superior vigor...
Nevin
Hmm, That brings me to another question.. Whats better for PvP (Cultist/Bone) or (Necrotic/Tormentor).. I don't see many smiters anymore so I'm curious to whats more efficient.
And if you're wondering about looks, I'm talking about the male 15k armors. http://tel.eohjay.net/15knec.html
And if you're wondering about looks, I'm talking about the male 15k armors. http://tel.eohjay.net/15knec.html
Excer
12 hp wont help you much at all. i suggest you either save the money or buy the dye. i'm an appearence person so yea =P
and about the pvp thing. i use my pve warrior for pvp and it doesnt have perfect stuff. but it really doesnt matter...i think its already been proven that the +14% on my sephis axe is the same as the +15% on pvp axes, but my axe looks sooo much better i also lack about 10 hp from the pvp char...wow like that matter . i'd rather pwn my opponents while looking good with my expensive armor and weapons.
PS: No, i dont think items determine skill lvl
and about the pvp thing. i use my pve warrior for pvp and it doesnt have perfect stuff. but it really doesnt matter...i think its already been proven that the +14% on my sephis axe is the same as the +15% on pvp axes, but my axe looks sooo much better i also lack about 10 hp from the pvp char...wow like that matter . i'd rather pwn my opponents while looking good with my expensive armor and weapons.
PS: No, i dont think items determine skill lvl
Fatty Fatty Boomballati
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Originally Posted by JR-
Personally I think to really make a character PvP ready, it has to have perfect equipment and runes. If you don't, you may aswell just roll up a PvP character.
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LifeInfusion
Get armor +5 mods. Drop the idea of superior vigor, get yourself some nice weapon mods like +5 energy staff head (very good for MM).
Superior vigor is only 9 extra HP than the major vigor.
AND sicne you have 29/28 it is pointless to get that 3 HP from 30/30. If anything, just get a green weapon.
Superior vigor is only 9 extra HP than the major vigor.
AND sicne you have 29/28 it is pointless to get that 3 HP from 30/30. If anything, just get a green weapon.
JR
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Ummmmmm... I'd take the black dye because I'm sure skill factors into PvP a little...
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My point is that if your character is using non-perfect equipment, i.e. isn't "PvP ready", it is to your advantage to roll a PvP character. There you can get all the runes, armor, items, weapon upgrades with perfect stats. Unless you really care about how you look in PvP.
It may seem silly I know, but the amount of times I have been down to my last 10 hp only to get manage to heal up and recover... And that can be a game turning event in a very evenly matched battle.
Dying or losing due to using inferior equipment because you spent all your plat on black dye... just seems stupid. Yes it's not very likely to happen, but it can and it does.
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Get armor +5 mods. Drop the idea of superior vigor, get yourself some nice weapon mods like +5 energy staff head (very good for MM).
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And yes, sup vigor is a small advantage, but black dye is no advantage at all, lol.
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
If anything, just get a green weapon.
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dansamy
Hmmm.....live longer or look good dead??
LifeInfusion
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+5 energy is fairly pointless, a larger energy pool is a fairly small advantage compared to +30 health health. Which brings me onto my next point: With the metagame looking like it is going tawards hex heavy degen builds, I would probably stick to a +60 staff instead of +10 armor.
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In addition, when I say get +5 armor mods I mean on a collector staff or what not, because his current staff could be an antidegen one while the armor one would sreve against non-armor-ignoring type damage (elemental/physical).
Avarre
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agreed.
you can calculate 12 hp, but looking good is priceless. |
Nevin
Well actually I got a rather good deal for the mods.. Only spent 9k in total on them both.
Nater
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Originally Posted by Teh Azman
In my opinion, superior vigor isn't really worth it, unless you find one then you got a choice of either 10 hp or 40-50k... 12 hp doesn't make a difference at all, if you get down that low its now even gonna help you.
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This and other replies are completely hypocritical. Off topic I know..but still.
+3 dmg matter before, but +12 hp dont. Make up your minds.
Shiro Shiverblade
I would save the money or buy the dye, its not worth paying a lot for a little extra hp.
LifeInfusion
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Yet ppl argue over Vampiric vs. other mods.
+3 dmg matter before, but +12 hp dont. Make up your minds. |
Cjlr
Side note - the OP said he was going for a perfect hale staff of fortitude, right? But (and I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure) a defensive staff of defense (great name) is probably going to be much more effective. 10AL > extra health, last time I checked.
Manic Smile
It's a matter of degen damage vs spike damage. +60 is much more useful for degen damage. +10 AL much better in taking that crit eviserate or the like. PersonallY I disagree that the 5 mana is worth less then the 60 life. At least for my hex nec I like the +5 energy(one more spell without energy managment having to kick in) and the +5 armor. Since you're a caster why not just get all three and a anti- energy denial set. +60 life 20/20 collector staff, +10AL 20/20 collector staff, +17 energy +1 ability 20/20 wand/focus(hopefully availabe in green) combo, -5 energy sword -4 energy focus....ideally of course
Anraeth
go for the 30/30 + sup vigor. You would be suprised how far that takes you against spikers.
Sereng Amaranth
It will happen eventually. And you will remember that battle forever. The one where you survive with 1hp.
Cjlr
Ooh! Ooh! ^^ That happened to me once! But it was my ranger... In PvE... But still, made me glad to have bought that minor vigor.
Robster Lobster
If you're running an MM, aren't you going to want a Death Magic +1 (20%)?
Angel Develin
IMO with MM you should have less healt and more armor, as MM you will use sacrifice a lot of healt when you have more healt. 2nd pro monk is mostly used to heal your self and not the minions (not saying its not posible). the best way to keep your minions a live is to use necro skills.
Manic Smile
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Originally Posted by Robster Lobster
If you're running an MM, aren't you going to want a Death Magic +1 (20%)?
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+17 energy +1 ability 20/20 wand/focus(hopefully availabe in green) combo
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yes but for summoning the minnions only...not really all that important in any other part of the build...maybe verata's sac for those few more seconds but weapon switch is your friend
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It will happen eventually. And you will remember that battle forever. The one where you survive with 1hp.
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Malchior Devenholm
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It will happen eventually. And you will remember that battle forever. The one where you survive with 1hp.
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Luck nothing, as sereng mentioned IT WILL HAPPEN, I remember that TOA run like it was yesterday...
In ur case though, id stick with the black dye, u can get that +3 hp l8r
Nevin
I have had battles where I've ran from warriors while bleeding and it stops right at 1-5 hp. But thats only 2 our of the thousands I've ever PvPed in
Manic Smile
that's kinda what i mean...the war could have just as easily crit on that last attack and you'd have bled to death
LordDeArnise
Since casters are always ripe pickings for degens and rangers, or the occassional IWAY warriors, I would rather have a dead caster that looks good, or warriors with enough hp's to let a surviving monk or his healing skills try to turn the tide of battle, or make them work a bit more to get your warrior killed.
True, a green weapon or a gold that looks perfect may help you out, but in all, it still comes down to skill, team chemistry, and play styles. All of my characters are PvE, and my ranger isn't the very best out there, but if your avatar is bound to get outplayed, you may as well have it look good...dead.
True, a green weapon or a gold that looks perfect may help you out, but in all, it still comes down to skill, team chemistry, and play styles. All of my characters are PvE, and my ranger isn't the very best out there, but if your avatar is bound to get outplayed, you may as well have it look good...dead.
BBoy_Manchild
actually, as a mm, you want as little health as possible staying in a safe range of enough health to take a few hits before dying, the less health you have the less you sac
Manic Smile
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actually, as a mm, you want as little health as possible staying in a safe range of enough health to take a few hits before dying, the less health you have the less you sac
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yea I've played with two sup runes at times(and a sup vigor) for that very purpose...one death one soul reaping...but the +60 staff is for switch in during critical moments not ment for general use...think kiting while degening but out of range from say that pesky warrior...but when ever I cast I use Bortak's Cesta
Markaedw
true there has been several times that I was down to less than 9 health, if you got the 60k go for it
Shadowspawn X
Get the sup vigor and 30/30 because if you gonna be a player, play to win.
SaintGreg
I just bought a superior vigor so that my pve monk could pvp (collectors are my friend), same reason as JR said, unless you have a fully decked out character rolling a pvp char is just better than your pve character for serious pvp. For non-serious pvp it doesn't matter since maybe you want to have fun pvp'ing while earning some experience at the same time.
You also probably want backup armors. One of the great things about pve chars is that you can switch your armor to suit the battle. Say you are facing a spike team - you can take that superior off and just use the minor so that you are 75 hp harder to spike down.
You also probably want backup armors. One of the great things about pve chars is that you can switch your armor to suit the battle. Say you are facing a spike team - you can take that superior off and just use the minor so that you are 75 hp harder to spike down.
fiery
screw the +5 energy dude your a necro.. soul reaping.
snapp
black dye is going for about 6 - 7k a bottle now, so if you buy four is will set you back 24-28k.
so if you do have 60-80K, you can still have a large portion of it for runes/mods after buying the dye.
so if you do have 60-80K, you can still have a large portion of it for runes/mods after buying the dye.