Something i've always wondered, and never bothered to ask.

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

New Jersey

The Adventurer's Society [TAS]

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Okay, i've always wondered why monk just don't use a full set of tattooes. Instead, I see just about every monk wear like Sacred Pants+Sandals..and other armor combinations. But with full tats, you get the most bang for your buck, which is energy. Tattooes have the same armor stats as Sacred or any other monk armor if I remember right. Can somebody give me a hand here?

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

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well... full tats is what i've always used... but i guess i could see some uses for some monks wearing say Judges Chest and Legs and then Ascetic Arms and Feet

all a matter of preference i think

Tyrent Frath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

[ECTO]

Mo/W

because you get hit in chest and legs more, so more armor.

chris_nin00

chris_nin00

Dun dun dun

Join Date: Aug 2005

Reddit Guild

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I like fashion . And who wants to stare at a male ass? 'loincloth'

Unless it's female, then its a different story.

xxSilhouette

xxSilhouette

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Lost in the sands of time...

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

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i wear all tatoos on my monk beacuse i like how it looks

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

New Jersey

The Adventurer's Society [TAS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrent Frath
because you get hit in chest and legs more, so more armor.
But tattoes and every other monk armor has the same defense..from what I remember.

darkMishkin

darkMishkin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Mo/

Quote:
But tattoes and every other monk armor has the same defense..from what I remember.
Bad memory.

Tattoos have lower AL. If you don't intend to get hit, they're the only option.

Lord High Pwner

Lord High Pwner

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Arizona

KGOA Knights of GOA

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While i agree that you do get hit in the chest and legs more,the greatest part of being a monk is being in control of healing. The few extra points damage you would take from having full tats are easily self healed away.

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

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New Jersey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by darkMishkin
Bad memory.

Tattoos have lower AL. If you don't intend to get hit, they're the only option.
I just checked and they both have 60AL.

LiQuId StEeL

LiQuId StEeL

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Ego Trip From Rank [ZERO]

W/Mo

I wear judges because male monk ass is unacceptable.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Only tattoo that will ever be on my monk is the head on, dear God those are hideous! As bad as scars on necros (/shudder). I cant stand to look at them, and try to turn camera away from tat or scar covered characters. Really just looks fugly, imo.

Leader_Of_Da_Elites

Leader_Of_Da_Elites

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

I Farted

The Roaringburn Elite

W/Mo

My friend told me that you have to look beyond the armor and see if its exposing for instance with tats ur exposng ur body with other monk amor ur not. I dont think thats true but just saying in case no one has mentioned it or wont mention it.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Janitor
I just checked and they both have 60AL.
Other sets have additional armor--for example, Wanderer's has +5 vs Elemental attacks.

chris_nin00

chris_nin00

Dun dun dun

Join Date: Aug 2005

Reddit Guild

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Only tattoo that will ever be on my monk is the head on, dear God those are hideous! As bad as scars on necros (/shudder). I cant stand to look at them, and try to turn camera away from tat or scar covered characters. Really just looks fugly, imo.
You could always toggle them off

Siliconwafer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Australia

Shameful Spirits

@ The_Janitor (OP)

And Judge's has +10 vs. Physical. So darkMishkin is right, just not in the way you're looking at it.
Plus, I still think that PvP leggings are bugged and give you -1 energy than what they should. Arguments can go back and forth, as there's not much of a way to calculate objectively which is better (i.e. how much damage you save from wearing x, is that better than the extra energy from armour y)-actually there probably is a way, but it would take a bit of work.

Honestly, I used to care about what I wore (i.e. the judges vs. tats debate) but I can't be bothered nowadays. Whatever I feel like on the day.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Janitor
I just checked and they both have 60AL.
Censor's Armor has +10AL against physical attacks.

energy > armor, but style > functionality.

Hooray for Fissure of Woe Ascetic's armor. Style and functionality.

hyori finkl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

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To some people (including myself), tattoos look really ugly so they need something that looks better. 15k saintly's dyed black does the trick for looks.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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it's all a matter of nrg management, if you can handle the healing/prot with a full set of judges, why not go for it ? it gives you nice protection against the warriors bashing you.
also surgers will hurt less, as a larger part of your energy comes from an offhand/wand or a staff, which is changeable very fast (nrg hiding)

basically, you wear what you can handle without running out of nrg

NatalieD

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

I like to compromise by wearing wanderer's/judge's on the chest and legs, but tattoos on the rarely-hit hands and feet. Plus, it looks cooler that way.

I don't quite get the appeal of a slightly higher max energy. I very rarely get back to my max after about fifteen seconds into a match, and if I do that's generally a sign that the enemy team is quite weak.

Arya Nibelrund

Arya Nibelrund

McLovin!!!

Join Date: Aug 2005

Farming Zaishen [keYs]

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It all depends how you play; in PvE if you're careful enough you'll rarely get targeted by mobs so a full tattoo set is the best choice.
In PvP instead you'll be one of the high priority target so a little more protection is usually better; chest and legs should be wearing a better armor.

boxterduke

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

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Although I never mixed any of my monk's armors, a lot of people use tattos arms and legs for the energy then use judge's (which is 15k sensor) to get the extra bonus against physical attacks.

Bastard Son

Bastard Son

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Upstate NY

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There was a time that my monk had some tattoos here and there and some other armor types in other places. Why? Because I didn't have enough materials/money to finish getting all the pieces of the better armor, so I wore a mixed set for a little while.

Caged Fury

Caged Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hearts Of Fury [HoF]

My monk wears a full set of tattoos. I just like to have as much energy as possible. Since I mainly play a healer, I spend most of the time at the back and out of harms way (PvE btw). I do have a Censor's Vestment to change into for the additional armour if I feel foes, especially melee ones, are getting pass my meat shields too often and whacking me.

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Monk's biggest priority (IMO) is having enough energy to keep himself and his party alive. I worry more about energy than taking damage so, full set ot tattoos for me.

Yakumo

Yakumo

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Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Hearts Of Fury [HoF]

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Started a monk over the weekend for PvE. Female monk, currently in Kryta, with Sacred Armor for chest and tattoos for everything else. She has a collector's Smiting Staff (with Energy +6) and so far isn't missing out much from not having a chest tattoo.

Armor combo chosen purely on looks.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

My monk wears a full tat set. Including FoW ascetics pants because I got sick of looking at the monk diaper.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

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well in my case I have 2 sets of armor

1: is a set with Superior Vigor and rest minor...
2: is a set with all Superior and no vigor IE the 55 / 105 build. But a double up on one attrib (even though they don't stack they do lower health which is crucial in 55 build)

However when I PvP I normally put 1 piece from set 2 on in conjunction with rest from set 1. This allows +3 attrib boost for PvP while only having minimal HP loss. Also allows me to change roles at will. Superior Healing or Superior Protection, Or Superior Smiting. Depending on what piece I swap out from Set 2. then adjust attrib accordingly, and set skills. Off you go...

I also have an alternate set of weapons for each role. wand & offhand, and staff as needed... Does this fill up inventory... Yep... but then again. its also nice to have multirole ability in this way. Its also nice to change armor in the middle of a mission when you need an extra boost in certain attribs.

The most useful profession to do this with is ele actually. cause if you put a superior on each Headset with +1. then you can change hats at will for a +4 attrib... Since a 55 ele is pretty stupid. this would be one of the best professions to go superior head gears for.

fiery

fiery

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maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

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all tattoos= alot of energy
tattoo and armor= energy and extra armor

Zakarr

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

I use full tattoo set only when farming because it just looks so ugly. Yes, tattoo set is technically probably the best for monk or maybe for necromancer too but visual side is not that impressive. Matter of taste, I guess.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris_nin00
You could always toggle them off
Mine? Yes I dont have to wear them, but if I could turn off other peoples, I would. I get my extra energy from a wand and offhand. I only play PvE, so really have no need for the "maxed-out uber gear".

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

i guess full tattoos are ugly , they sometimes where arm bands and trowsers to look cool

NatalieD

NatalieD

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by quickmonty
Monk's biggest priority (IMO) is having enough energy to keep himself and his party alive. I worry more about energy than taking damage so, full set ot tattoos for me.
I could certainly understand this position if the tattoos increased energy regen somehow. But a handful of points added to the max only? That's like one spell, and one or two more points of energy when you get signet-rezzed. If my energy ever got back up to max in a normal fight, then I could still understand. But that doesn't really ever happen. Even with my lower-than-all-tattoos max energy, I almost never get a chance to regen that much. So the tattoos are ultimately just like one free Guardian or Orison per match. That doesn't seem comparable to even a slight armor boost that's always on.

Or is full tattoos more of a PVE thing, for some reason I'm not catching?

edit: Duh, I just realized how tattoos would probably be more useful in, say, GvG than in the 4v4 I'm used to. Never mind.

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

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Join Date: Oct 2005

New Jersey

The Adventurer's Society [TAS]

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Alright guys, thanks for the input! Really helped.

FalconDance

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

The full set of tats add 8 egy (I think); the foot tat only gives +1 and the arms +2 (?). Personally, I like to run my monk with Censor's top for added protection vs. physical (she uses Curses for defense and is often closer than she really ought ), Wanderers skirt for added vs. elemental (and a more feminine look) and arm/foot tats. Altho this weekend I did buy her a new pair of shoes. Running around in the hot sands of the Crystalline Desert burnt her little tootsies something fierce!

She has the Desert collector healing ankh (+12, +15, -1 regen, +30hp req 8) and a holy rod at the moment--before that she had a max ankh and a collector curses truncheon that had +15 egy, -1 regen. There is absolutely no problem with energy management as long as you rely on your weapon for defense if necessary and carry Signet of Devotion for quick in-between heals while energy is regenerating.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconDance
The full set of tats add 8 egy (I think); the foot tat only gives +1 and the arms +2 (?).
+3 (chest), +2 (legs), +1 (hands), +1 (feet) = +7

Jay the Jake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

central United States

BrotherhoodoftheChoosen

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my monk is all tats, as far as the diaper with guild cape on cant see it. lol. Most of the time the extra energy really isnt an issue but their have been a number of times it has helped and team thanks me for it. Even with +12 or +15 offhand item and a +15 holy rod.

EF2NYD

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

If I did not have FoW Ascetics, I would wear tattoos only when necessary (probably never). Way too ugly. Same for necros.

SaltyDog

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

RIP

N/Me

Speaking of Monks and tats...
Can someone tell me how http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9820/monkey4bo.jpg is achieved? I know it's ugly but maybe with the right color combo it would look cool.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

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That's the alternate Pattern Tattoo in Granite Citadel... Star I think... I know there is two.. the one you make in PvP and the special one that's from PvE only. I think that's it.. Its the 15k armor set... I just have not seen it much as most think its kind of ugly... I like the new tattoos on the ritualist. They at least look good, and the colors on their existing clothing really stand out then...

Though I have decided to wait for the re-release of the silk armor for the monk over the Fissure saintly... Because quite simply the Silk armor with its 65AC is one of the best armors for a monk. But has not been seen since the beta. I think it will make a reappearance for the next chapter, especially with all the silk that has been being salvaged recently... But over all, the Fissure armor is the best looking for a monk of existing armor skins...

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Janitor
Can somebody give me a hand here?
My monk uses a judges chest armor because tattoos (ascetic armor) is so ungodly ugly. That's all - if I could stomach the look of full ascetic armor that's what I'd use.

Actually it's one of my pet peeves that the skimpiest and ugliest warrior, necromancer and monk armor offer effectively the same protection AND more energy than the bulkier armors - there is no reason to use any armor but glads/scars/ascetic (well, a warrior should use one piece of asc or knights to get global damage absorption). IMO these skimpy 'armors' should offer much lower armor than the others (knights, collectors, judges etc) as compensation for the higher energy.

It's basically the same for mesmers, in that Enchanters is much better than Rogues, but at least Enchanters armor looks good.