WTF is up with all these 2k-runners?

The older price for Droks runs was 2k. I used to run at 2k, but then decided I'd run it for 1k to help people out, and at the time I had 500k+ in sellable assets.

The Droks run nowadays is worth a 3k punt if it's a solo runner who's competent.

The price has dramatically changed, it's simply reverted back to it's old sum of 2k. There are scammers who charge 2k, 3k, 1k etc. It's not only 2k runners. Also why should beginner runners charge 3k when they have a slower completion rate? 2k is more fair to the consumer since they need to zone sometimes.

I gave up on forge running and running in general due to scammers (zomg runners can also be victims!?) I farm greens now and play hoh and I've never been richer.

Ractoch has done nicely in UW so I have no doubt this is possible. UW and Thirsty solo aren't things I've personally done yet but soloing IDS certainly got me going in that direction, it's a fun challenge.

If you're so inclined farm and make money with it, I usually just have a goal of it and move on (got my 1 IDS for my warrior, haven't been back).

Sharp as ever mish

I see where your coming from, it is quite a hard mission to complete without a competent group.

Beleive it or not its actually quite easy to solo, ive done it with my warrior using a build almost identical to that good ole premade paladin build. With the wammo solo build(many variations) its simply knowing how many of which enemies you can take on, and the patrols.

If you decide to go the MM route, its a slow start, but it almost always gets the bonus.

EDIT: fixed typos

Quoted for truth.

All of the good runners that ran me are in my friends list. If a friend or guildie needs a run, I whispers them and see if they are running. The only time I need to walk into Beacon or Southern Shiverpeaks towns and post "LFR to ______" is if all of their wamos are on vacation for the next 3 weeks. Lot safer that way too, no scammers at either end.

that 1 cap sig and armor that you would already have does not justify charging more

assuming it cost you 1k for the cap sig and you needed a new helm for tactics thats less than 5k if you buy all the materials at outragous prices. Oh yeah and the sup tactics...I got mine for 100....

Its EXTREMELY EASY TO RUN...try it...i bet you make it after a few trys...give free runs till you make it a few times

oh and if you arent dumb get the chests...
and if you wanna show off...dance with incoming fire, just to refil your energy...talk constantly to entertain the people...if you are gonna charge your crazy 3k...make it worth it like my cheap runs

I don't suppose that anyone's going to mention at any point (now or ever) that getting a run from beacon's down to droks is kind of...well...stupid? I've never paid for a run down, nor have I run anyone down. Hell, I don't even know why the whole Lornar's Pass route even exists. Seems to me that if you're going to play PvE, you're doing so because you want to enjoy THAT aspect of the game, and besides, like 60% of the skills you'll get for your character are between Beacon's and Dragon's Lair. You're going to end up doing everything else anyways, so why bother? Oh right, so you can get the droks armor, since those jungle monsters are just so freakin' pwning, or so you can fight with droks armor in the Ascalon arena with your elites (should be illegal). Well obviously someone out there sides with all of you guys since Lornar's DOES exist, but I certainly don't, and as long as that's the case I can't really feel bad about the running business turning sour now can I?

-Jessyi

most of the people getting runs already had at least one character getting to hells the normal way

That or Im playing pve so I can cap skills...I really dont like pve...but I have to do it

"Dorknar" running is a slowing business lol.

If I search for a deal I can get free runs now >_>

Really only people i stray from are the "Free Test Runs" - not even worth it they always die.

What IS on the rise? Infusion Run costing.....

I remember a day when infusion was done as group and free >_>

But now dist 1 of Iron Mines is FULL of "Running Infusion 500gp ea, finishing mission w/ for 1k more"

Posted yesterday?

Iron mines doesn't have a cutscene anymore, you can run there, and the rest is left at the start and still won't be able to talk to the seer

The only bad thing coming from this is the leavers after they are infused

Did 3 infusion runs today, cutscence worked every time. may I suggest you verify your facts before you post to help avoid confusion.

Running is an interesting thing that is supported by anet. they have said it was a clear way to allow for cooperation between guildies to assist new builds in early acquisitions. And I should note that though it is something they say they support it is something they did not want to be "EASY" to do.

That fact that many guilds have taken to running it for free just to teach the trade to their members in interesting. this is yet another Fair market practice that all you marketiers always want protected... If someone is charging 3k per head for the run and people feel that is inflated. then start running people for free or for less gold and you will set the new going rate... again Econ 101 stuff. When supply of runners goes up and the demand is unchanged, The Price will drop.



We can learn something from a video game? lol I love it. Economics is so cool...

If you want to drive the price back up there is a simple solution. cut back on the supply of runners in the market...



Since in this case the demand curve is not going to change that much. A Runner reduction will do wonders in driving the acceptable price back up.

Then once the market is at an acceptable level for runners, they can start their services again at elevated prices...

In reality with a total runner lockout the demand curve would adjust upward as well to allow for long term equallibrum. Thus causeing a more stable price increase. this prevents longterm economic upsurges and downturns with fluctuation. Guess what? this si exactly what OPEC does with oil in the real world. lol I swear I want to develop an econ class around the GW economy... it would be so fun to track in a classroom.

pitchin in a few coins of thought....

Biggest thing in the possible devaluation (haven't looked at Beacons in months) is not that compettiton comes in and lowers the price... it is more that people who don't value their time or expertise much have finally learned to do the run "sometimes." Thus, they work cheap and care nothing about whether or not it is a good source of income to keep it stable as a run.

There is always a moron out there (found them in droves in every game so far) willing to sell their wares or services for way cheaper then most would value their time..... lots of morons = ruin your market price.

Also I would guesstimate that the scammers first cause this strong urge for a cheaper price since it is usually those that come and offer a cheap rate for suckers to jump on thinking they are getting a deal. "1k up front, 1k at droks" have seen hundreds of times there.

I don't run the place .... I still value my time .... and only ran it for a friend and own sense of completion. It is a fun run though. Don't lower your price though whatever you do... if you are quality then you are worth it.

Yesterday my new lvl 9 R/W got from Ascalon to Droks for only 100G. The guy died about 100 times, and see if I care. He got the job done, and how is not so important. We had a great laugh seeing which of the runners died first
On arival I offered him 2K, but he refused. He said he had fun doing it. Money was not so important and he got more farming anyway. Not that I believed him, since one of them was still wearing Ascalon armour.
He also told me that he got scammed, by other runners, twice now. He didn't mind putting them out of business. I personally got left in the camp before Droknar too. The runner probably crashed, and didn't bother to come back to bring us that last bit. I am not bitter. I rather see an honest player die 100 times and make it anyway, or another one who dies after the first try, and than quit the party, taking the downpayment with him.

I got a free run to droknars was a trial run fro the person so i thought well it's free she's asking for esperience so i'll take it. Conclusion.....
Made it first time her health never dropped below 30% so was worth it.

But i did a run for two peopel yesterday 300g from beacons to gates of kryta upon arrival (it took me awhile to lead up the area fro soem reason) i dicovered that one of my clients had split group and i couldtn fidn him anywhere and the otehr did pay up. So what does this teach me? To get them to pay outside the village they want running to with one or two groups of mobs infront i'll run people as far as i can if i get what i want from it.

Anyway good luck with runnig and i hope to see you out there.

One thing I wonder though, related to running, is why everybody is advertising about being "PRO RUNNER". Nowadays it seems everyone that has done it once is "PRO". I once got in a "PRO DUAL RUN" and one of them died cause of a chase worm (which of course he couldn't help), so the other guy kept running, got to a crossing and stopped. Then ran back, hit the wurm a couple times, then kept going, turned the wrong way and after running a little while stopped again. Then he aggroed Ice Sieges and died. Don't know about you, but that's not much of a "PRO RUNNER" IMO.

Lol, and the oddest thing happened once. I was in Dragon's Lair, doing the mission with henches. All of a sudden some random guy whispered me if I could run him to Mineral Springs... Note that no one was near since I was mid-mission, and I was playing on my monk. o.O

sure whatever... 2 k 3 k 5 k . I don't care. your just pissed you got undercut on prices now you are not getting as much business... Good morning. that's the way the world works. Now that demand is LOW your price will have no choice but to drop or go out of business until there is a demand again. Personally your all a bunch or idiots. but since it blows your skirt up... who cares... But don't complain just because you got underbid. that's just the way things go when you do something your not suppose to. Of course its POSSIBLE, and for the most part its generally accepted... But it doesnt mean it will always be some imaginative fix price for such things and expect to get that for life. Heck there was a time a PC cost over $10k Now you can get a decent one for less then $800. Don't you think that pisses off the PC industry? But that's what the demand curve calls for. If they want to sell their systems or services...

Econ 101 dude. That's one thing I will give MMOs. They definitely allow for crash courses in economics...

Ingram, you are one good econ student.

Anyways, Forge runs used to be 8k when it first started then it got cheaper (even Anet put harder spawns).

I always friendlist exp. runners. They have been running me privately for 2k and I am very happy with that.

I can't stand people like this! Not only is he an idiot, but I will bet money he is a scammer too.

bums to be honest
"cant live with them cant live wi..." end of story

Oops, wrong thread. I thought this was an other noob bash thread

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I agree with Dark Mishkin in that there's really no way to tell unless you have an established relationship with someone. It would be nice if you could somehow categorize your friends...it would even be better if you could put notes on people (I play online poker, it's very useful) ie: "This person knows his business" "This person is a scammer" "Don't drop any soap near this guy unless you're feelin' a little freaky"...etc.

Actually, I think I have the explanation the OP wanted here and it is in part in this post. Yes, number of suppliers increasing would shift price down so therefore reducing supply (something he doesn't want to do aka quit) would increase price. However, I have a feeling this is actually linked to a drop in demand. Would take more data to verify, but simply, people aren't buying new copies of guildwars right now. Additionally. with factions around the corner people are probably not even starting many new characters. Since each character only has to visit droks once, the demand is finite and if less new characters are being made this will restrict the amount of cutomers. This means that to get a full group of fares runners will charge less.

Yet, Ingram may still be right (or we are both right, markets don't exist as isolated variables). I am sure alot of these guys are new runners. True "pro" anything are rare. People shift in ways to make money in this game alot as long as there is no starting cost. Simply, people get bored of whatever and stop. However, if the influx of new people coming and leaving stays close it would mean price stays same. However, if people leave slower then new ones coming in it would flood the market and alot of the old runners (such as OP) would quit seeing it as a deflating market and search for new opportunities until the run restabilized (I bought two runs back in the day for 2k each).

As for a lockout, even OPEC has cheaters and they have militaries to enforce agreements. Unless one runner can actually kill or stop other runners, no monopoly could ever occur.

I' m lurking the boards. I have not played GW yet. I don't even know if I can play it because I live in China and there is no local version available on the market (I hear you can play on international servers though)

Question: What is running? It seems that people are paying alot of gold ... 2000 -3000 G ... for the services of another player to help him get accross a difficult area. Is that right? I'm coming from WOW, where 2000G is like a year's worth of gold collection...don't know how much it is in this game. But why do people pay money for help getting from one place to another (if that is what is going on here). Can someone explain?

I live in China so maybe I be of help.

Buy a cd key and download the client through the main company webpage. You can then decide whether to play on the Japanesse, US, European, Korean, or Taiwan/Hong Kong servers by selecting the location you live in (no affect on gameplay, merely a choice in who you are interacting with, it doesn't check and I play on a US server with many others who live in China and other places that are not the US). The Taiwan\Hong Kong servers use traditional chinese character btw and there is no simplified option. However, no matter what server you are on you can switch the games language options on your computer.

2000g or even maybe 3000g is an affordable price for that point in the game. Gold is not the same as in WoW and this service is not needed for game play, it is a convience for those who want to have access to best items and equipment very early in the game.

Playing on an international server means you can play with people from any home country server. For the Korean, Japanese, and Hong Kong servers there is a pay according to time played optiion as well as a pay once and have infinite time option. I am not sure where you would buy minutes however as they are not sold in China.

Guildwars used to not be able to run in China due to the national firewall interrupting your service, however, it works fine now.

Guildwars is fun. I recommend it strongly. If comparing it to WoW (as many do) grinding and equipment matter a lot in WoW and almost none in guildwars. The game rewards experience and skill and has a rather pleasent community of players IMO though still has the usual people who don't play well with others.

Edit: Typo

I don't run much. But I do give random free runs when I feel like doing something nice.

OMG studentochaos you rock hard! Thanks! I can't believe I found someone in China who is playing this. How is the connection to the US server? Lag ok? I know this is totally OT...sorry to everyone else.

Actually, it seems pretty cool that you can pay for in-game services.

Yeah also sorry to take thread off topic, but nvm that.

Connection to US server used to make it unplayable. At an old apartment I found my ADSL glitched and gave me lag but now I have a new place and it is as good as it was when I used to live in the US (when the game came out).

Start playing here and you will find lots who play from this timezone or nearby ones. I have made lots of friends from NZ and Aus especially. A fair number of Chinese people play guildwars too (who are not sweatshop in game gold farmers and even those gold farmer guys are nice). The only problem is that some rare times you will want to do a quest or mission and you will find yourself in a dead game (luckily the game provides AI teammates). Huge numbers of people play this game, but once in a while (around midafternoon here) almost no one is playing on the US server at all (they sleep) and even the European server people can't be found (they work). However, it isn't a big deal. Also, there is a nice plus side to the strange hours. Because you play at weird hours you tend to play with a lot more older gamers who work jobs that restrict their play to strange times. This is great because most of those people have nothing to prove to anybody and are very hepful to people who don't know something or need help.

If you want to know anything else send me a message on this forum through the private messages so we don't wreck this thread.

I have a War/Mon which i use purely for running and have been doing Lions Arch to all Desert locations and the infusion run. When i first started i learnt the routes for myself. The Lions to Sanctum route i use was made by my lvl 12 Mes (at the time) who did it the old fashioned fight your way there method. The skills i use i selected for myself based on some practice runs and a practical need for certain skills skills at certain points. I prefer to use the quickest safest routes usually rather than the most direct routes. Initially when i started i used to advertise RUNNING TO SANCTUM CAY 1.2K (400g@ Bergen Hot Springs, [email protected], 400g Sanctum) and with that throw in D'alessio and Fishermans for free. I didn't do many test runs really but because i'd made myself the safest routes, with designated regen areas i was managing to complete the runs without any problems and probably did 10 or 12 runs before i suffered a death. I received PM's from other runners saying "do us all a favour and charge 3k", "WTF" says I "Thats a rip off for a 20 minute run". Anyway as time has progressed I increased to 500g a leg and included the sanctum mission as so many happy clients were requesting it. I'd not tried it at first but was already running the desert locations for my guildies so saw it as an opportunity to extend my adverts to come across as being more experienced to RUNNING TO CRYSTAL DESERTS 2k ([email protected], [email protected], [email protected], 500g Desert) ALL DESERT LOCATIONS 2K, with payment at the desert broken up similar with 500g at Augury and 500g at each mission location.

Now i'm not gonna claim to be a pro at these runs when i've only been doing these runs a few months, heck i don't even know what it takes to be considered a pro, and don't really care. But when i advertise 100% Success, 100% success means i will get you there guaranteed, you cannot ever guarantee never ever dying on such long runs, random spawns, late nights tired eys, lag, batteries going on mouse but you should know if there are any potential areas where they can get you and be prepared for them, ie a couple of Barb locations on run to TOA and the teleporters in desert. Experience will mean that if these situations occur then 9 time outta 10 you get out of the problem calmly regen and go for it again. I can accept a death when i am running on rare occassions but cannot accept more than one death on a run, this means its time for my runner to put her running shoes for the night. But a death or two does only delay the run for a minute or two.

Newbs are pretty easy to spot, they try to run with you :P I'm sure all you other runners out there appreciate how important it is to have designated regen spots where you can regen your health and purge conditions so that you can continue with full strength. Nothing worse than having some newb drag aggro into the area's if you do actually need to use it. Even worse you get killed because of the aggro they create and don't see why it was there fault "yeh but you guarantee 100% success"....."yeh if you stay outta the way and leave it to me". This has become a rare occasion now as i no longer wait for people or try drag them along with me using my charge, the sooner they're dead the better

Eeeeeek, i'm making myself sound like i die alot when 95% are flawless runs in uber fast time. Just trying to state that for all runners i believe at times S**T happens.

I've built up some good client relationships since who have been more than pleased with my super fast runs, low prices, and polite and helpful banter en route. Alot insist on paying me much more than i ask for.

Free runs: All guildies, and i don't mind people tagging along for the free ride with us so long as they don't get in my way. 1st time chars to Sanctum from Lions, not if i can help it. Newbs need to learn the game and anyone giving them silly amounts of money or running them to the desert or Droks for free are just being clever D**ks and spoiling the game for them.

SPAM: Do a quick 500g run to TOA for a few newbs and get nothing but SPAM pm's off them everytime they come on. How do i do this how do i do that, can you help me do this mission, can you give so and so. How much do you want for your 500g? Don't you think I have my own guild members to look after. Why you asking me whats up with your own guild? Why join a guild that has nothing to offer you?

I don't run all the time, got guildies to help, farming and some GvG to occupy my time. But its cool to do a few hours here and there for a quick buck. And to be honest i have plenty of other means for making good money. What scares me is the newbs who dedicate all their time to it so that they can tell everybody how rich they are, yet don't know anything about the game.

Rant over and out!!!!!

yeah if I were you I should do this

while i loathe runners - i see you guys as being indirectly responsible for all the idiots in ascalon with their drok armor (Anet being totally responsible for allowing arena to be used without level restricted armor) - all i can say is competition is healthy and you might want to diversify your income sources. Not always such a good idea to have all your eggs in one basket

I advertised to do the droks run last night for 2k along with the other 200 runners there were at beacons at the time. After getting no clients i said i would do the run for free and practically filled up all the spots within 20 seconds. Once i got to rankor most of the people i ran gave me 2k anyway.....one for not being an arrogant little shit and two by actually completing the run which most of the runners at beacons struggle to do anyway. If you can get any business, dont cry about it, just undercut everyone else and maybe they might piss off someday, i still made 8k and got a golden axe/sword and wand for my troubles (due to chests on the way) because if you actually make it, some people feel compelled to pay you anyway....Thats my two pence anyway, and maybe europeans are just nicer

2k for solo runs and 3k for duals runs is alright imo

If I could do the Droknar run I would do it for free. ATM my runner can handle Amnoon - Dunes and points west. He runs for free, it's just more satisfying. When I get better at staying alive you'll see me on the Drok run.

I run it for 2k, i havn't scammed once. :|

Supply and demand... and if your too high you will get more "tips" runner's showing up (beyond the normal ones that want to help).

That being said, If someone you think is charging too high, then you should decline. Bashing the runner (like experince w/ OP) is not the way to behave by any means.

try getting a guildie to run.. helped me out a lot

I ran my 2nd account once and offered the remaining spaces for free, I got a 300g tip from one person. Took 2 tries and I rarely do the drok run or any other run for that matter.

i paid 2k for a run the other day, they made it on the second try. i have ran that run before, and if i had 2 computers would run my 2nd profile lvl 5 there myself. 2 k isnt a bad price. in my times of playing from piken to beacons, farming all the way, 2 k is about what you would have.