Can we not get some help with the SPAM in the Local Chat Channel?
Chev of Hardass
(best place I could think for this, feel free to move it)
First and foremost I am a buyer and seller of goods. I spend a few minutes each day in Lions Arch looking for the best deals and looking to get rid of the things that are not top items, but people would want. I use the trade channel for this exclusively.
My trick to selling is to send out my message and change districts, and repeat. Unless I am trying to sell something that no-one wants, this works very well for me. I have sold and bought enough so that my second character was waiting on a Fiery Dragon Sword 15-22, a Scimitar of Enchanting 15-22 and a Zealous Sword 15-22, when he got to Post-seared Ascalon.
Having said that, my second character, a WMo level 8 just got to Ascalon and is ready to start some missions and quests. I went into Ascalon today and found the local channel plagued with WTS and WTB and the like. I could not even read any responses the ticker was going so fast. For those of you that are thinking it, I had the trade filtered, but no one was using that anyway. I spoke up and the sellers started talking amongst themselves about ignoring me if I am annoying.
THIS IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.
CAN WE NOT GET SOME HELP WITH THIS ARENA, NET?
If I have to ignore every seller that posts on the local channel, I WILL run out of room. If I cannot get a group together or do some local chatting, because ot the TRADE chat in the LOCAL chat, Arena Net needs to fix it.
So how about some sort of Moderator? Or a bot that checks for WTB ot WTS of FS. Anything!!! Or a button that reports trade in the local chat window. This would have to account for accidental input, but still be able to be a threaten to those spamming our local chat channel.
Right now the game has less replay value to me, and I am stuck in the mission after Ring of Fire, with no-one to play with for my higher character, and can not find a party due to the TRADE in the LOCAL chat, with my lower character.
Or maybe, everyone could gang up on these violators.
We did ask for trade channel, right? We got it, right? Why is it not getting used?
I think I remember the request for the trade channel being in here......
Post BWE Suggestion thread, Feburary
And aparently some people use the trade channel for what is supposed to be used for here............
Treade channel SPAM discussion
First and foremost I am a buyer and seller of goods. I spend a few minutes each day in Lions Arch looking for the best deals and looking to get rid of the things that are not top items, but people would want. I use the trade channel for this exclusively.
My trick to selling is to send out my message and change districts, and repeat. Unless I am trying to sell something that no-one wants, this works very well for me. I have sold and bought enough so that my second character was waiting on a Fiery Dragon Sword 15-22, a Scimitar of Enchanting 15-22 and a Zealous Sword 15-22, when he got to Post-seared Ascalon.
Having said that, my second character, a WMo level 8 just got to Ascalon and is ready to start some missions and quests. I went into Ascalon today and found the local channel plagued with WTS and WTB and the like. I could not even read any responses the ticker was going so fast. For those of you that are thinking it, I had the trade filtered, but no one was using that anyway. I spoke up and the sellers started talking amongst themselves about ignoring me if I am annoying.
THIS IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.
CAN WE NOT GET SOME HELP WITH THIS ARENA, NET?
If I have to ignore every seller that posts on the local channel, I WILL run out of room. If I cannot get a group together or do some local chatting, because ot the TRADE chat in the LOCAL chat, Arena Net needs to fix it.
So how about some sort of Moderator? Or a bot that checks for WTB ot WTS of FS. Anything!!! Or a button that reports trade in the local chat window. This would have to account for accidental input, but still be able to be a threaten to those spamming our local chat channel.
Right now the game has less replay value to me, and I am stuck in the mission after Ring of Fire, with no-one to play with for my higher character, and can not find a party due to the TRADE in the LOCAL chat, with my lower character.
Or maybe, everyone could gang up on these violators.
We did ask for trade channel, right? We got it, right? Why is it not getting used?
I think I remember the request for the trade channel being in here......
Post BWE Suggestion thread, Feburary
And aparently some people use the trade channel for what is supposed to be used for here............
Treade channel SPAM discussion
FireOfHell
My guess as to why the trade channel is not getting used is becuase people will turn it off, and others think that no one can hear them. Myself, i turn it off most of the time, but if I need to buy something, I will always turn it off. If spamming gets to be too much in towns, like lions arch, I often find myself turning off both Trade and Local chats.
Chev of Hardass
/Grits teeth and smiles
Maybe you are right.
I turn off both local and Trade when I am traveling with a group.
Maybe they SPAM the LOCAL channel because they think no one wants to read their trade talk.
Maybe, when I am looking for items I keep the trade channel on.
I still need to be able to find a pick up group, if there is one around, to go and adventure with.
Yea Einstein, you have unlocked the secrets of the universe.
NOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE TRADE IN THE LOCAL CHAT CHANNEL?
Maybe you are right.
I turn off both local and Trade when I am traveling with a group.
Maybe they SPAM the LOCAL channel because they think no one wants to read their trade talk.
Maybe, when I am looking for items I keep the trade channel on.
I still need to be able to find a pick up group, if there is one around, to go and adventure with.
Yea Einstein, you have unlocked the secrets of the universe.
NOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE TRADE IN THE LOCAL CHAT CHANNEL?
Sidra Meum
Spam reall amounts to a simple thing "Stuff I dont want to hear". Someone complaining about the price of ___ or about some idiot at work, could be considered spam to someone. Especially Trading. What can be done? Basically.. Nothing. Just because there IS a trade channel. Does not mean players have to use it. I know, it sucks... But, that is no rule against someone trading in the local channel. As annoying as it is... Little can be done. You can kindly remind players to use the trade.
Some people have suggested a chat timer - but, that penalizes everyone. Having a 10 second delay would be annoying to someone that is a fast typer and trying to explain things to someone else. Honestly.. even that won't stop people from trading in local.
Some people have suggested a chat timer - but, that penalizes everyone. Having a 10 second delay would be annoying to someone that is a fast typer and trying to explain things to someone else. Honestly.. even that won't stop people from trading in local.
Phantium
Best thing I can suggest is to mute local, atleast that's what I do.
Chev of Hardass
OK so, it said and done then?
The sellers have taken over the local chat.
When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so.
I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat.
THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel.
Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done.
If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel.
Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it.
I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels.
How about banning those that spam the local channel?
Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted.
The sellers have taken over the local chat.
When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so.
I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat.
THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel.
Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done.
If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel.
Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it.
I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels.
How about banning those that spam the local channel?
Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted.
isilwen
i'll go with chat ban for those who spam local channels >.>.. i sell alot of stuff too but i use trade channel and i find its already hard to sell on trade channel due to spamming going and to make matters worse we got casino operators and their cheated customers spamming local chat too
PieXags
I just turn off trade and local chat, I only leave open guild, whisper, and team regularly. I mean, I don't give a shit what other people are selling, if I need to buy something, THEN I'll turn it on for my purposes. Otherwise...none of my concern.
I guess it is nice though to see when there's a good deal out there, but meh, sacrifices have to be made.
I guess it is nice though to see when there's a good deal out there, but meh, sacrifices have to be made.
Sidra Meum
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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass
OK so, it said and done then?
The sellers have taken over the local chat. When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so. I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat. THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel. Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done. If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel. Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it. I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels. How about banning those that spam the local channel? Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted. |
Ban them for what? They are not doing anything against game rules. As I previously stated. You might not like it. BUT they are doing NOTHING wrong. They are simply annoying you. Perhaps that is why they keep doing it? To be annoying. Yes, it is rude and inconsiderate when there IS a trade channel. Players still do not have to use it if they do not want to. There is no rule of the game saying they do, and I think it would be very extreme that ANet would have to post a GM in every town and outpost 24/7 to "Police" players from "Spamming" in local chat. What would then be the punishment? Banning them from the chat channel?! For how long? What if someone made a mistake and thought they were in trade or guild chat?
A "Click here to ban this person" because you dont like what they are "Spamming" ( Which can be classified as any type of chat not JUST trading - but also players who spam "LFG - (insert quest here)" ) in the local channel will not work. Its far from a decent or sutiable idea. Another player should not have the ability to "Ban" another player for something. People would be banning eachother from the chat left and right simply because they can. As it is when you click another players name it takes you to auto send them a whisper. Maybe instead a little menu could come up that allows you to choose to Ignore Player, or Send Whisper.
You do have a few choices, however. Ignore the player, or turn off the channel that is being spammed on. As much as you do not want to hear that these are the options you have. They are the only options, and it will more then likely stay that way.
I really do not think ANet see's this as a large issue. They really have done what they can and Honestly - there is LITTLE that can really be done about the issue.
Davey
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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass
OK so, it said and done then?
The sellers have taken over the local chat. When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so. I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat. THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel. Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done. If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel. Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it. I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels. How about banning those that spam the local channel? Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted. |
isilwen
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Originally Posted by PieXags
I just turn off trade and local chat, I only leave open guild, whisper, and team regularly. I mean, I don't give a shit what other people are selling, if I need to buy something, THEN I'll turn it on for my purposes. Otherwise...none of my concern.
I guess it is nice though to see when there's a good deal out there, but meh, sacrifices have to be made. |
that post no offense was lest constructive i seen in this thread. thread is about asking arena about doing something about spammers, not for replies like switch trade and local off. That is like buring your head in the sand like a ostrich
Kaylynn Of Ascalon
I can only speak for myself...I sell every day, or when needed. I don't post what im selling exactly, just a you need it I have it type thing. i post it once then when its completely off the screen i'll post it again....this means posting it every couple minutes at most. I never spam the channel. This method works well for me, people then PM me and ask if I have a sword, or scroll, or staff/wand. this really does keep most of the talking and dealing out of the main window. works for me, and my sales have gone up cuz before I was offereing individual items that some people may or may not want at the time, now they just tell me what they want in PM and i look in my inventory. ;-)
Chev of Hardass
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Originally Posted by Meum
Ban them for what? They are not doing anything against game rules. As I previously stated. You might not like it. BUT they are doing NOTHING wrong. They are simply annoying you. Perhaps that is why they keep doing it? To be annoying. Yes, it is rude and inconsiderate when there IS a trade channel. Players still do not have to use it if they do not want to. There is no rule of the game saying they do, and I think it would be very extreme that ANet would have to post a GM in every town and outpost 24/7 to "Police" players from "Spamming" in local chat. What would then be the punishment? Banning them from the chat channel?! For how long? What if someone made a mistake and thought they were in trade or guild chat?
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Chat Channel Rules
They may not be able to post a moderator, but what if the alphas that were still playing had the kill switch, they would not be obligated to watch for this, but they could stop it in its tracks. Moderators seem to work pretty well here on this site, and there are several alphas here.
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Originally Posted by Meum
A "Click here to ban this person" because you dont like what they are "Spamming" ( Which can be classified as any type of chat not JUST trading - but also players who spam "LFG - (insert quest here)" ) in the local channel will not work. Its far from a decent or sutiable idea. Another player should not have the ability to "Ban" another player for something. People would be banning eachother from the chat left and right simply because they can. As it is when you click anot=Sidra her players name it takes you to auto send them a whisper. Maybe instead a little menu could come up that allows you to choose to Ignore Player, or Send Whisper.
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My guild infact often sees:
WAIT
Energy Regen
Wrong channel.lol
And then, laughs at me.
I do like the idea that someone could be monitored to see how often they make trade channel/local channel mistakes. If the system that I breifly mentioned was in place, it would require that several instances on different chat lines, by different people were reported. This would reduce the accidental from the intentional.
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Originally Posted by Meum
You do have a few choices, however. Ignore the player, or turn off the channel that is being spammed on. As much as you do not want to hear that these are the options you have. They are the only options, and it will more then likely stay that way.
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The ignore thing is a bad idea for those of us that do like to buy and sell items. If one person is spamming the town with crap today, then three months from now they have grown up and use the regular channels.
This person has that uber shield at a reasonable price (because they have found that items are really not hard to come up with, but users can be) and you cannot see the addvertisement.
Who looses then? I agree thie chances that this would happen are slight, but real.
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Originally Posted by Meum
I really do not think ANet see's this as a large issue. They really have done what they can and Honestly - there is LITTLE that can really be done about the issue.
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Paloma Song
How about adding a strictly LFG channel, apart from local?
A game with no monthly fee will never have staff to babysit chat.
The best way to stop trade in the local channel is self-policing. Not a magic (abusable) ban button, or tattle-tale'ing to ArenaNet. Just players, repeating in local that traders should go to the trade channel, and then adding them to ignore, and encouraging others to do the same.
An auctionhouse/bazaar similar to SWG's/WoW's would help a lot. So would a trade-only dedicated zone, or better yet, a trade-channel that broadcasted to ALL zones - who would use local, when you can reach everyone?
A game with no monthly fee will never have staff to babysit chat.
The best way to stop trade in the local channel is self-policing. Not a magic (abusable) ban button, or tattle-tale'ing to ArenaNet. Just players, repeating in local that traders should go to the trade channel, and then adding them to ignore, and encouraging others to do the same.
An auctionhouse/bazaar similar to SWG's/WoW's would help a lot. So would a trade-only dedicated zone, or better yet, a trade-channel that broadcasted to ALL zones - who would use local, when you can reach everyone?
Taphoo
Here's what I do...
If the Trading is *that* bad, I go to a different district.
Otherwise, I politely ask people to trade on the Trade channel. That's usually work for me (yeah, I'm amazed too). If they continue or get mouthy, I'll wait a bit, then announce that <playername> is a scammer and ripping people off, right after they post in the main channel. That tends to slow them down while I go about my buisness.
If the Trading is *that* bad, I go to a different district.
Otherwise, I politely ask people to trade on the Trade channel. That's usually work for me (yeah, I'm amazed too). If they continue or get mouthy, I'll wait a bit, then announce that <playername> is a scammer and ripping people off, right after they post in the main channel. That tends to slow them down while I go about my buisness.
eventhorizen
or if someone is being and absolute git. WTS SWORD 1-2 DAMAGE every second for an hour, just PM spam STFU at him till he stops.
Chev of Hardass
Paloma, doesn't a LFG channel sound like it is waiting for be abused by the trade spammers? Just like the local channel is. There is a trade channel and the traders seem to want to use the local channel because people watch it more. You are naieve if you think a LFG channel would solve this problem.
Tapahoo, I like your idea about calling them scammers. I think I will politely ask them to stop, then if they don't stop, "SCAM SCAM". It should not have to come to this, but some people have no respect for those that want to PLAY the game.
Still no real answer, here, but I trying to believe that there is an answer.
The thing that pisses me off the most though, is I only shop from the Trade Channel. These people would sell more stuff if they went about it with some respect.
Tapahoo, I like your idea about calling them scammers. I think I will politely ask them to stop, then if they don't stop, "SCAM SCAM". It should not have to come to this, but some people have no respect for those that want to PLAY the game.
Still no real answer, here, but I trying to believe that there is an answer.
The thing that pisses me off the most though, is I only shop from the Trade Channel. These people would sell more stuff if they went about it with some respect.
Dumb Quixote
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Originally Posted by Paloma Song
How about adding a strictly LFG channel, apart from local?
A game with no monthly fee will never have staff to babysit chat. The best way to stop trade in the local channel is self-policing. Not a magic (abusable) ban button, or tattle-tale'ing to ArenaNet. Just players, repeating in local that traders should go to the trade channel, and then adding them to ignore, and encouraging others to do the same. An auctionhouse/bazaar similar to SWG's/WoW's would help a lot. So would a trade-only dedicated zone, or better yet, a trade-channel that broadcasted to ALL zones - who would use local, when you can reach everyone? |
Dumb Quixote
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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass
Paloma, doesn't a LFG channel sound like it is waiting for be abused by the trade spammers? Just like the local channel is. There is a trade channel and the traders seem to want to use the local channel because people watch it more. You are naieve if you think a LFG channel would solve this problem.
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Juhanah
I think they should just do like in some other games. Make it so you can't say the same thing more than 3 time in a row. And since there's a couple of way to counter this, they could just make it so that if you write 5 phrases under X seconds you cannot talk for 5 minutes.
It would probably piss off some people.. But at least if everyone announce only once each, the trade channel will be readable and people will most likely be able to find what they're looking for.
It would also calm down people recruiting for their guild. Or kids spamming the chat 60 times to find a party when there's only 10 people in the district.
I never use the trade channel because i never have the time to read anything before it get spammed. And when i want to sell something i just ask people i know or people i party with in missions. If i cannot sell it that way, i just sell it to npc. I don't make lot of money that way but there's no point in having billions of gold.
I think it would be one of the best way.
It would probably piss off some people.. But at least if everyone announce only once each, the trade channel will be readable and people will most likely be able to find what they're looking for.
It would also calm down people recruiting for their guild. Or kids spamming the chat 60 times to find a party when there's only 10 people in the district.
I never use the trade channel because i never have the time to read anything before it get spammed. And when i want to sell something i just ask people i know or people i party with in missions. If i cannot sell it that way, i just sell it to npc. I don't make lot of money that way but there's no point in having billions of gold.
I think it would be one of the best way.
Soul Monarch
"Well, what've you got?"
"Well, there's eggs and bacon; eggs sausage and bacon; eggs and spam; eggs bacon and spam; eggs bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam eggs spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam..."
Spam spam spam spam. Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
"...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam."
"Have you got anything without spam?"
"Well... there's the spam eggs sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it."
Have I derailed the topic yet?
Edit: Okay, fine, I'll be serious. But it would do some good to lighten up a little in this thread.
A.Net has said that they have Auction Houses in the works. But since this game is not sharded (that means multiple servers) it will be tough to get the AH just the way you want it.
In fact, the material traders and dye traders already act this way right now, but very few people will use that because they think they can get more gold somewhere else. Let me explain:
If no one ever sells black dye to the dye trader, then black dye price goes up, correct? Many players are, for reasons unknown to me, selling dye through private trades. This means that they are not selling to the dye trader, which means dye prices go up. So not only do we have prices rising due to the virtual economy syndrome (which simply means that one or more aspects of the economy are falsely represented, such as supply and demand in this case) but player trade spam continues to proliferate.
If no one is using the tools they have to accomplish trading now, I don't see what can be done by adding more ways to sell. The simple fact is, no matter what you do to provide easier ways to sell things, there is always going to be a bunch of people who decide it's easier to go around it and spam the local chat channels.
"Well, there's eggs and bacon; eggs sausage and bacon; eggs and spam; eggs bacon and spam; eggs bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam eggs spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam..."
Spam spam spam spam. Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
"...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam."
"Have you got anything without spam?"
"Well... there's the spam eggs sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it."
Have I derailed the topic yet?
Edit: Okay, fine, I'll be serious. But it would do some good to lighten up a little in this thread.
A.Net has said that they have Auction Houses in the works. But since this game is not sharded (that means multiple servers) it will be tough to get the AH just the way you want it.
In fact, the material traders and dye traders already act this way right now, but very few people will use that because they think they can get more gold somewhere else. Let me explain:
If no one ever sells black dye to the dye trader, then black dye price goes up, correct? Many players are, for reasons unknown to me, selling dye through private trades. This means that they are not selling to the dye trader, which means dye prices go up. So not only do we have prices rising due to the virtual economy syndrome (which simply means that one or more aspects of the economy are falsely represented, such as supply and demand in this case) but player trade spam continues to proliferate.
If no one is using the tools they have to accomplish trading now, I don't see what can be done by adding more ways to sell. The simple fact is, no matter what you do to provide easier ways to sell things, there is always going to be a bunch of people who decide it's easier to go around it and spam the local chat channels.
EnDinG
I only got about half way down before I figured this was going to be a flame fest.
Only suggestion I can make is do something along the line of WoW. Make the option to display the item in the chat menu, but only in the trade chat. Set a time limit of 30 seconds per "spam" chat said in that window.
Problem solved, and it shouldn't be a hard task to code the 30 second anti-spam for trade, but might take a while for the item display.
Only suggestion I can make is do something along the line of WoW. Make the option to display the item in the chat menu, but only in the trade chat. Set a time limit of 30 seconds per "spam" chat said in that window.
Problem solved, and it shouldn't be a hard task to code the 30 second anti-spam for trade, but might take a while for the item display.
Phantom Force
The best solution for spam reduction is simple. Create a gosh darn Auction House where you can list a certain number of items you want to sell, and search for items you wish to sell. This way you dont have to see people spamming WTS WTB WTS blah blah blah blah..... continuously. Yes you could just turn off trade channel but it's annoying and a complete waste of time to sit and read and search for items you want that way. Atleast if we had an AH you could go to it, look at weapons --> swords --> then see the different weapons people are trying to sell. Or you could do weapons --> canes --> see the list, and so on for all items in the game. I doubt it would be that difficult for the devs. Make a big ass patch or create an expansion pack asap. It's one of the best things I've seen in a MMORPG. FFXI had it and its very good. Whenever you need something check the AH. Want to sell something list it in the AH. There was never any useless spamming for selling stuff, only time people spammed was to get help on a quest or if they were looking for a group. I say we petition to AN to give us some sort of AH system.
Audrielle Laneil
That's a good idea. The AH system would be helpful so that the trade channel wouldn't be spammed out all the time. There should atleast be one stationed at every major story-line city and outpost.
It worked in FFXI and WoW, it sure as hell will be useful here. And it will make a lot of people happy. =_=
And I miss it, too. ='( I'd greatly considerate having it in GW.
It worked in FFXI and WoW, it sure as hell will be useful here. And it will make a lot of people happy. =_=
And I miss it, too. ='( I'd greatly considerate having it in GW.
Chev of Hardass
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Originally Posted by Phantom Force
The best solution for spam reduction is simple. Create a gosh darn Auction House where you can list a certain number of items you want to sell, and search for items you wish to sell.
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I agree completely and I am beginning to think this is the only way I will be able to find a a questing group when I go back to finish all my quests.
There is a thread in the Sanitarium. Go there. Vote yes to the Auction house and let's see what happens.
Auction House for guild wars?