Specs:
AMD athlon 64 3200
RAIDMAX Case Power Supply 450W
nVidia 6600GT 256mb
ABIT Kn8-SLI Mobo
1Gig Corsair Mem
Ive had this computer since i built it oh maybe 2 weeks ago. Ive had GW on it for aybe 1 week. Played fine before but recently started restarting on me while playing the game. Different tweeks over 1 day resulted in maybe 5 restarts with the last one not being able to boot up.
Wouldnt think its a overheating issue as im getting 24C Idle CPU and 32C Game Cpu with a System temp of 30C Idle and 34C Game.
GPU Runs at 39C Idle and id say 41-50C Game.
What can be my problem?
Cause its turning on but i dont think its booting because my screen is Reading No Signal.
Computer Recently began restarting now wont boot.
akitas371
swaaye
Could be a power supply prob. Try a different one if you have one. Could also try pulling some components and unplugging unnecessary drives to see if it fixes the prob.
Kaguya
I'd try another vidcard first, if it worked for couple of weeks, it should atleast boot up..
If you can borrow another vidcard from somewhere, try with that. Powersupply is 'okay' by the wattage, but the watts marked on PSUs usually are underrated/overrated/crap, atleast on the 'non-brand' ones.
If you can borrow another vidcard from somewhere, try with that. Powersupply is 'okay' by the wattage, but the watts marked on PSUs usually are underrated/overrated/crap, atleast on the 'non-brand' ones.
cannonfodder
Before all that. The easiest thing to try first is to reset the CMOS, in your motherboard manual it will show you the location of the CMOS battery and jumper, you could eaither remove the battery for 1 min or so, or use the jumper to clear the CMOS.
Poison Ivy
If you have any replacable crap lying around, swap them around.
You'll find the reason......eventually :S
You'll find the reason......eventually :S
Josh
I had a similar problem to you when trying to put in an ATI Sapphire Radeon 9600 PRO card (I ended up sending it back to Sapphire).
A solution that solved your kind of problem was resetting the CMOS/Mobo settings, if you know what a jumper is, it should be sat next to a circular battery that is vertically or horizontally encased in a metal. Mines a lil red one which you can pull of 2 pins, although it has 3 pins on it, it only covers 2.
Take it of for a minute or so, pop it back on and re-try.
If that doesn't work, try-resitting your Graphics Card, and re-plugging the monitor cable back into the GFX Card, and re-sitting RAM, etc.
Could actually possibly be your GFX Card or Monitor Cable are loose or not sat properly.
A solution that solved your kind of problem was resetting the CMOS/Mobo settings, if you know what a jumper is, it should be sat next to a circular battery that is vertically or horizontally encased in a metal. Mines a lil red one which you can pull of 2 pins, although it has 3 pins on it, it only covers 2.
Take it of for a minute or so, pop it back on and re-try.
If that doesn't work, try-resitting your Graphics Card, and re-plugging the monitor cable back into the GFX Card, and re-sitting RAM, etc.
Could actually possibly be your GFX Card or Monitor Cable are loose or not sat properly.
Kamahl FistofKrosa
Will a loosely sat GFX card shutdown and restart your computer when playing guild wars?. Funny enough josh, i have a powercolor 9600 pro, and my computer shuts down and reboots in guild wrs (and not in bf 1942).The case i have is real shoddy, and the PCI slots wont line up to the panel on the back. I cant screw my gfx card onto the back panel, so i have to use a string to tie it through some holes. Its fairly sturdy though, so i dont know if thats the problem.
Josh
Is your card an AGP or something then? Lol. If you have a card and it's not fitting into your graphics card slot properly, then that is a problem...
Kama, what drivers are you using? Omega or Catalyst and what version? Or a modded driver?
Also, try disabling fast-writes (if you haven't already), it'll be in the Catalyst Control Center in smartGART. If that doesn't fix it, in the same tab (smartGART) try changing it from AGP 8X to 4X.
^^ That's aimed at Kamahl by the way.
Kama, what drivers are you using? Omega or Catalyst and what version? Or a modded driver?
Also, try disabling fast-writes (if you haven't already), it'll be in the Catalyst Control Center in smartGART. If that doesn't fix it, in the same tab (smartGART) try changing it from AGP 8X to 4X.
^^ That's aimed at Kamahl by the way.
akitas371
Yeah ive reset the CMOS already and reseated the RAM its dual channel and i switched them around also. The 6600GT is PCIE and tried reseating it. When i turn the computer on all fans spin including the 6600s fan although nothing reads on the LCD ive reset all the cables also. Ill see if its a PSU problem by disconnecting the Soundblaster card, and dvdrw/cdrw burner.
BTW the graphics card is seated very tightly. Case is screwless RAIDMAX Ninja case and the things you use to keep em in place dont let the thing move at all. I know its seated fine because when i first built it i couldnt get anything on screen and it turned out to be the card wasnt in all the way. :P
BTW the graphics card is seated very tightly. Case is screwless RAIDMAX Ninja case and the things you use to keep em in place dont let the thing move at all. I know its seated fine because when i first built it i couldnt get anything on screen and it turned out to be the card wasnt in all the way. :P
Josh
Have you tried taking out the circular battery that should be next to the CMOS jumper? Take it out for 30 minutes, pop it back in, then see.
~ It should be encased in a metal.
~ It should be encased in a metal.
akitas371
ill try that now
Alias_X
It could be a hard drive failure, that is what happened to me when my hard drive failed.
akitas371
battery thing doesnt work and i know for a fact the hard drive is fine because its brand new besides oh a week and a half of use
Riotact
If its only happening whilst playing guild wars, It can only b 2 things. Ram or VGA. If Powersupply or HDD r faulty then they fault anytime. have u tried another game? google a program to test your hardware, something like PC check.
akitas371
Well lets see i cant boot it up to check anyway...but Quake 4 Ran fine with max settings on including max antiscop filter
Ubernoob
Ive got the same pc as you except ive got the 3800 x2 processor and for some reason my guild wars crashes the same as your does but the thing is ive been running gw for about 2 months now and ive had no problems so im thinking mabye one of the updates has done this?
Kaguya
Pretty sure it's a vidcard failure, which I already said on post #3. 
HDD failing wouldn't stop the whole computer from booting.
I'd try getting a 2nd vidcard and testing that. If it works, then it's the vidcard busted. If CPU/Memory were busted, the motherboard would be beeping quite a lot, unless the motherboard itself died. But testing vidcard is the easiest thing, and most probable too.
Power supply is bit hard to figure out if it's broken or not, or just unsuitable, easiest to install a monitor program when it's working, and see how the voltages are under stress.
HDD failing wouldn't stop the whole computer from booting.
I'd try getting a 2nd vidcard and testing that. If it works, then it's the vidcard busted. If CPU/Memory were busted, the motherboard would be beeping quite a lot, unless the motherboard itself died. But testing vidcard is the easiest thing, and most probable too.
Power supply is bit hard to figure out if it's broken or not, or just unsuitable, easiest to install a monitor program when it's working, and see how the voltages are under stress.
Josh
Well if he wants to test his PSU (Power Supply), he could try it on another PC, or his old 1 with GW and see if it works fine and stays on long enough.
Rayea
um, have you tried testing the monitor on another pc as well?
(i try to never overlook the obvious after re-installing my sound twice, then finging out i had the speakers turned to no sound >.< lol)
when you start the macine, you have no picture at all? not even the white writing that tells you the amount of ram on the vidcard and lets oyu hit del or f2 for settings and cmos?
can you get anyhitng from it at all?
*theres always a chip failure to consder
grr)
also, i assume ur using WinXp? (windows 98 has a memeory issue when using over 512meg memory, i found out recently lol)
PSU *should* be ok, i have same spek chip as you, but a 128 vidcard and a 410 psu and im fine right now...
and a realy daft question....you did use the little brass screw to make sure the mainboard is off the case, right?
(seems obvious, but i have brounght so many pcs back from dead by simply taking them off the case and apllying the brass screws, i can tell you)
(i try to never overlook the obvious after re-installing my sound twice, then finging out i had the speakers turned to no sound >.< lol)
when you start the macine, you have no picture at all? not even the white writing that tells you the amount of ram on the vidcard and lets oyu hit del or f2 for settings and cmos?
can you get anyhitng from it at all?
*theres always a chip failure to consder
grr)also, i assume ur using WinXp? (windows 98 has a memeory issue when using over 512meg memory, i found out recently lol)
PSU *should* be ok, i have same spek chip as you, but a 128 vidcard and a 410 psu and im fine right now...
and a realy daft question....you did use the little brass screw to make sure the mainboard is off the case, right?
(seems obvious, but i have brounght so many pcs back from dead by simply taking them off the case and apllying the brass screws, i can tell you)
akitas371
Yes the moniter is fine yet i cant test the video card or what not because the family computer is a vaio which doesnt open without a sledgehammer :P When i start the machine the fans on everything come on the LEDS come on and it sounds like its booting but the LCD says no imput signal or whatever going to power save. The Mobo is definitly mounted right with brass screws keeping it from shortcircuiting. I know the mobo isnt dead becuse it has a A'OK light on it and the SLI light. the mobo leds are fine. The power supply is a case one yes but the raidmax psu's arent that bad. When it was running i had a ABIT moniter utility and i was getting correct voltage on everything including right temperatures. 3V was 3.3V and so on.
And btw im playing GW on the VAIO Atm so its fine. its run for hours on end on the comp before. Know anyway to open a Sony Vaio PCV 572 model?
Thing is when i turn it on ALL the fans come on INCLUDING the XfX 6600GTs fan... you think i shuold post detailed pictures of the video card to see if you guys see anything the could be a problem?
And btw im playing GW on the VAIO Atm so its fine. its run for hours on end on the comp before. Know anyway to open a Sony Vaio PCV 572 model?
Thing is when i turn it on ALL the fans come on INCLUDING the XfX 6600GTs fan... you think i shuold post detailed pictures of the video card to see if you guys see anything the could be a problem?
Rayea
hm.....have a spare chip to test it with at all, or a friend that has?
it sounds like what we get with blown chips sometimes, but to be honest, the best way to find out is to take it to a shop and get them to test each part...
we do that where i work, had a batch of amd 64 3500 chips go frassle on us, the boss made me go thru a different mainboard, another of the chip (which did the same thing as yours, btw) and the psu plus the memory and in the end, he gave me a 3200 to try and whamo! up it started....looks like we got 2 duff chips.
we came to the same conclusion, just fro different sides (i had not built with an odd numered athlon befor, so was sure it was chip, though he had sold them and not had returns lol)
so..next question is....dies your machine do its normal beep noise when you start it up, and the click or thunk noise of the monitor comming on then going into power save mode?
(that was how we knew the chip was duff, it never booted the monitor or made the beep you get when a pc first comes on)
it sounds like what we get with blown chips sometimes, but to be honest, the best way to find out is to take it to a shop and get them to test each part...
we do that where i work, had a batch of amd 64 3500 chips go frassle on us, the boss made me go thru a different mainboard, another of the chip (which did the same thing as yours, btw) and the psu plus the memory and in the end, he gave me a 3200 to try and whamo! up it started....looks like we got 2 duff chips.
we came to the same conclusion, just fro different sides (i had not built with an odd numered athlon befor, so was sure it was chip, though he had sold them and not had returns lol)
so..next question is....dies your machine do its normal beep noise when you start it up, and the click or thunk noise of the monitor comming on then going into power save mode?
(that was how we knew the chip was duff, it never booted the monitor or made the beep you get when a pc first comes on)
akitas371
Agg this is frustrating...ill see if i can get my parents to take it to a shop or to someone we know who used to have a shop...although itll cost either way and parents will probably make me pay yet its sorta hard to get some money at 14...
Rayea
aye...i had to cook the dinner/tea every night for 5 days to get a fiver pocket money when i was your age.....back then, it went on a weekly book lol ^^
best thing is to get them to *talk* to the shop owners, and find a shop that will not go ahead with changes once they know what is wrong without phoning you for confermation first...sometimes it pays to dig yer heels in and make the call you *the owner of said pc* first befor going on to change parts...that way, if you cant afford the thing fixing, at least you will know what is wrong....and it can cost less if they are just checking and not replacing firts lol.
best thing is to get them to *talk* to the shop owners, and find a shop that will not go ahead with changes once they know what is wrong without phoning you for confermation first...sometimes it pays to dig yer heels in and make the call you *the owner of said pc* first befor going on to change parts...that way, if you cant afford the thing fixing, at least you will know what is wrong....and it can cost less if they are just checking and not replacing firts lol.
akitas371
Alright i think i officialy found the problem.
I opened the case plannign to inspect EVERTHING.
Popped of the CPU Fan and look there looks like the thermal compound that came on the cpu got roasted. Theres a layer of grey crap on it. When i got the cpu there was some thermal material on it already. This gunk not only covers the top of the proc but the bottom of the cpu heatsink too. Should i just wipe this gunk off and cover it again with some thermal grease?
I opened the case plannign to inspect EVERTHING.
Popped of the CPU Fan and look there looks like the thermal compound that came on the cpu got roasted. Theres a layer of grey crap on it. When i got the cpu there was some thermal material on it already. This gunk not only covers the top of the proc but the bottom of the cpu heatsink too. Should i just wipe this gunk off and cover it again with some thermal grease?
cannonfodder
That most probably isn't the problem, but it cant harm it by replacing the thermal compound, remember just use a very small bit(about the size of a grain of rice) then spread it evenly over the processor.
One thing on your problem, have you tried a different vga cable. you never know the cable could be torn inside.
One thing on your problem, have you tried a different vga cable. you never know the cable could be torn inside.
Kaguya
Most of thermal compounds look just like grey gunk, wiping it all away will cause the computer to overheat If the CPU temperatures weren't bad (as they weren't in your original post) there isn't anything wrong there.
If the CPU temperatures weren't bad (as they weren't in your original post) there isn't anything wrong there.
akitas371
the moniter is oh maybe a week old....dont see how that could go wrong...(i used our old moniter until i bought the lcd)
Rayea
yeah, but sometimes the old compound is like superglue >.<
if its gotten under the chip, like showing up around the gold spike things, then i think you might be ok cleaning that area, but be careull not to bend them....
monitors can go wrong when new...we had a single tft go belly up one day on us just a day after selling it....naturally, since it was with a full build, we tested it, replaced it with another and sent it back to the manufacturers for them to replace it with us, but still..it can happen....just rarely ^^
if its gotten under the chip, like showing up around the gold spike things, then i think you might be ok cleaning that area, but be careull not to bend them....
monitors can go wrong when new...we had a single tft go belly up one day on us just a day after selling it....naturally, since it was with a full build, we tested it, replaced it with another and sent it back to the manufacturers for them to replace it with us, but still..it can happen....just rarely ^^
akitas371
eh ill test it with the vaio moniter soon