Mr. Frosty

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Profession: E/R

Name: Mr. Frosty

Type: PvE

Category: Tank/Farming

Attributes:
Earth 12+3+1
Wilderness Survival 12
Energy storage - rest

Skills Set
Whirlwind (for the knockdown) (or Crystal Wave)
Aftershock
Armor of Earth
Kinetic Armor
Obsidian Flesh {Elite}
Serpents Quickness
Storm Chaser
Troll Unguent

Summary:
You also need a 20% enchantment staff – Galigords Stone Staff is perfect

The purpose/goal of this build is to farm Ice Imps (though im sure it could be used elsewhere) I’ve really only tried it a few times but it seems to work very well - I wanted a build to resist the imps after constantly being beat down by them, so I came up with this.

The aim is to keep Kinetic Armor and Obsidian Flesh up constantly, the latter being done by Serpents Quickness.

First get your armor up with Kinetic Armor and Armor of Earth then cast Serpents Quickness followed by Obsidian Flesh – once Serpents has nearly ended you cast Obsidian again – when that has almost ran out Serpents has recharged so you cast them both again.

I use Whirlwind and Aftershock when im up close to the imps giving hefty damage and also attack them.

With Kinetic Armor, Armor of Earth and Obsidian Flesh up constantly I have 84+62+20= +166 armor and since they can’t target me they usually attack me for 0-3 damage, which does add up eventually hence the Troll Unguent which you use as needed.

Once Serpents ends you cast Storm Chaser (since both are a stance you can’t use them together), which gives you +4 energy whenever you take elemental damage – and with 10 Ice Imps hitting you your energy is recharged in seconds.


Notes & Concerns:
Timing is critical here as there is very little room for error, and once they start casting your finished.
I’ve used this against 10+ Ice Imps at a time with no problems

Credit
Credit to gyMe for his Perm Mist Form build - which gave me the idea to use Serpent's Quickness in the same manner for other skills

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Spiral of The Red Rose, Kryta (Columbus, IN)

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So far I'm liking this idea. I understand everything but one thing.

Does it go like the following?

Obsidian Flesh + cast Serepent as your almost done with Obsidian Flesh
blinking...blinking...cast OF again to keep the effect up before Serepents falls out of course (much the way you do with Mist Form)

THEN do you cast Storm Chaser? Let it work long enough untill you need to cast OB+SQ again? Correcto?

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

yes exactly although I hit OF and Serpents about the same time

once Serpents finishes you cast Storm Chaser (use it to fill the gap between finish and recharge) depending on the amount of Imps you can recharge full energy in 1 or 2 secs

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Ah, very nice. Very nice indeed. I will have to try this out later tonight or tommrow morning.

Amsterdam

Amsterdam

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wisconsin

dth

Nice, good old ice imps, seems like alot of builds can do this. nice to be able to farm with something other then a tank or 55.

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

But you need permanent Obsidian Flesh, right?

Because once they get a Maelstrom off, especially coupled with a Mind Freeze, it's all over for me ...

LightningHell

LightningHell

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

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Yes. Serpent's Quickness for you :P

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

I guess Obsidian Flesh + Mantra of Resolve would work OK too. Come to think of it, a stance can be put up AFTER the Maelstrom goes off, which is a good thing ...

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
But you need permanent Obsidian Flesh, right?

Because once they get a Maelstrom off, especially coupled with a Mind Freeze, it's all over for me ... yes with Serpent's Quickness and a 20% enchant (Galigords Stone Staff is perfect) it is permanent

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Searching on "Permanent Mist Form" no longer turns something useful up on Google for me. Does anybody have links to other discussions of Permanent Obsidian Flesh or something analogous (like Permanent Mist Form)?

Also, it seems like this build is highly dependent on the Ice Imps letting you approach them for a face-to-face conversation. Do they really cluster around you conveniently in Aftershock range?

I'm trying to think of other kinds of high-powered enemy this work work against, and I'm having a failure of imagination. Maybe some of the desert elementalists if they don't bring their Rockshot Devourer friends, but in smaller numbers. Multiple Aftershocks aren't fun even if you AREN'T knocked down first; ditto for Inferno. And on Perdition Rock there's also a lot of Death Nova to deal with, not to mention minions. You'll wind up blasted with a bunch of explosions and poisoned a lot, so at best you'll have to spam Troll Unguent, for further pressure on your energy budget.

Generally, I'm not sure I see how the energy management on that build works, especially without room for Earth Attunement.

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
Also, it seems like this build is highly dependent on the Ice Imps letting you approach them for a face-to-face conversation. Do they really cluster around you conveniently in Aftershock range?
yes, at least a few do

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
Generally, I'm not sure I see how the energy management on that build works, especially without room for Earth Attunement. Storm Chaser - For 8...18 seconds you move 25% faster, and you gain 1...4 Energy whenever you take elemental damage.

you gain 4 energy each time an imp hits you - it recharges faster than I can use it

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

So Storm Chaser is an essential part? Got it.

Thanks!

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

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so do u use this build to farm Icy dragon swords or just Ice Imps in general?
and btw awesome build

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Mendes
so do u use this build to farm Icy dragon swords or just Ice Imps in general?
and btw awesome build thx

I use it for both, but its hard getting to the cave to get an IDS

theres a couple dozen imps just outside Marhans grotto

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
I'm trying to think of other kinds of high-powered enemy this work work against, and I'm having a failure of imagination. Ive been farming Titans with this build, works great.

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Armageddon
Ive been farming Titans with this build, works great. Wow, really now? You'll have to explain for me and others here, including the poster of this thread I'm sure, how you manage this.

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Wow, really now? You'll have to explain for me and others here, including the poster of this thread I'm sure, how you manage this. um I am the poster of the thread Im farming them exactly the same a the Ice Imps, just I take a little more damage from the Titans. Ive managed 6 at once but it was close, 3 I find I can take without a problem, unless I miss my timing. Im farming the ones outside of LA

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Armageddon
um I am the poster of the thread Im farming them exactly the same a the Ice Imps, just I take a little more damage from the Titans. Ive managed 6 at once but it was close, 3 I find I can take without a problem, unless I miss my timing. Im farming the ones outside of LA Haha, I wasn't pay attention - My bad

Aerials

Aerials

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Somewhere in deep space....

So Easy A Caveman Can Do It [pve]

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first off...kudos on the build

secondly...are there any other high level enemies you have used this on other than titans and imps (i found this thread literally minutes after i beat dnkp on my ele

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerials
first off...kudos on the build

secondly...are there any other high level enemies you have used this on other than titans and imps (i found this thread literally minutes after i beat dnkp on my ele What do you all think we could change to better our selves agaisnt say Sand Elementals? I'd really like to tackle the ones outside of Heroes but I haven't managed a way yet and what not...

evox the evil

evox the evil

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Where ever the hell i feel like living

Iim always in a new one so i just wont say

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i love this build, my man. it seems very solid. BTW is there any way this would fly in say....PvP or possibly GvG? just wondering so i can try to convince my guild leader to let me try this one out

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by evox the evil
i love this build, my man. it seems very solid. BTW is there any way this would fly in say....PvP or possibly GvG? just wondering so i can try to convince my guild leader to let me try this one out thx

but I dont think it will work against anything that has interupts

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Armageddon
thx

but I dont think it will work against anything that has interupts Oh, I would like to add for everyone that with the Imps near you, you can take on a few Seige Ice Golems at a time with this. If Aura dosen't cover your health (as Seiges will take health down a tincy, tiny, uber bit at a time) - use Troll Ugent.

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

I tried the ice imps near Grotto, and got worn down by the Pinesoul boss despite all the armor. Ugh.

Probably I didn't play it right. Maybe not enough Troll Unguent or something ...

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
I tried the ice imps near Grotto, and got worn down by the Pinesoul boss despite all the armor. Ugh.

Probably I didn't play it right. Maybe not enough Troll Unguent or something ... Can't really work it around that area, have to stick outside Ice Caves of Sorrow and what have you.

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Crawford
I tried the ice imps near Grotto, and got worn down by the Pinesoul boss despite all the armor. Ugh.

Probably I didn't play it right. Maybe not enough Troll Unguent or something ... Pinesoul boss? I cant remember seeing a Pinesoul boss there there was an Ice imp boss but I just leave him, use him to recharge your energy a bit faster when theres only a few left then just leave him.

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

nice build...now if only I wasn't too lazy to go up to the cave in Mineral Springs.

Neriandal Freit

Neriandal Freit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pegasux
nice build...now if only I wasn't too lazy to go up to the cave in Mineral Springs. Who ever said you had to go up to Mineral Springs? There are alot there too, yes, but there are alot outside of Ice Caves of Sorrow along with Seige Ice Golems.

If you aggro and pull up (over the little hill there) a few golems, you'll continously get energy from the Imps while attacking the Seige Golems (who'll do (with all 3 armors on (Kin, AoE, OF) a max of 2 dmg each, which the Aura of Rest covers easily, if not use Troll). Seiges seem to enjoy dropping Summit related items (tho I've not got anything 'rare' yet from besides a Water Staff and a couple other minor things like that).

This build does take time to use and farm. To get the Ice Imps, Seige Golems takes about 15 minutes, sometimes 20.

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Who ever said you had to go up to Mineral Springs? There are alot there too, yes, but there are alot outside of Ice Caves of Sorrow along with Seige Ice Golems.

If you aggro and pull up (over the little hill there) a few golems, you'll continously get energy from the Imps while attacking the Seige Golems (who'll do (with all 3 armors on (Kin, AoE, OF) a max of 2 dmg each, which the Aura of Rest covers easily, if not use Troll). Seiges seem to enjoy dropping Summit related items (tho I've not got anything 'rare' yet from besides a Water Staff and a couple other minor things like that).

This build does take time to use and farm. To get the Ice Imps, Seige Golems takes about 15 minutes, sometimes 20. Yes mineral springs cause of the IDS...of course you can use it to farm elsewhere like posted earlier in the thread...any farm build can be suited for plenty of other areas that's a given. Just implying I would use it for Mineral Springs for IDS like others probably will and already have.

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
What do you all think we could change to better our selves agaisnt say Sand Elementals? I'd really like to tackle the ones outside of Heroes but I haven't managed a way yet and what not... Obsidian Flesh doesn't defend against Shock or Aftershock (except in the small AL boost), so this is not the right build for Sand Elementals.

Against Sand Elementals, just pick your favorite high energy build, with self-healing from at least Aura and maybe also Ether Renewal, and outdamage them.

That said, I've had OK luck taking them down with a double-energy-glyph build and hence no real self-healing ...

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Who ever said you had to go up to Mineral Springs? There are alot there too, yes, but there are alot outside of Ice Caves of Sorrow along with Seige Ice Golems.

If you aggro and pull up (over the little hill there) a few golems, you'll continously get energy from the Imps while attacking the Seige Golems (who'll do (with all 3 armors on (Kin, AoE, OF) a max of 2 dmg each, which the Aura of Rest covers easily, if not use Troll). Seiges seem to enjoy dropping Summit related items (tho I've not got anything 'rare' yet from besides a Water Staff and a couple other minor things like that).

This build does take time to use and farm. To get the Ice Imps, Seige Golems takes about 15 minutes, sometimes 20. Hi

Jus t alittle modification to this, rather than taking a +20% enchanting staff, take a +20% enchanting sword or axe, and also a -2 damage while enchanted (event better would be (-2-2 and you shoudl take 0 damage almost constantly.

EDIT: just tried this pout, here was the result:


as you can see you dont even need to have armour of earth up to be takign 0 damage with a -2 shield.

+ the energy boos storm chaser gives you is phenomanal (but only against enemies whose standard attacks are elemental)

oljomo

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hi

There si no collectors shield while enchanted, and the while in a stance one is for 5 bleached shells form sonmewhere so is fairly expensive. I picked my -2 while enchanted shield up from gwguru auction for 1k, and it also had +1 to erath magic chance :O

oljomo

Armageddon

Armageddon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

there is one -

Vargil the White
Location: In the northwest corner of Mamnoon Lagoon next to Hadasha the Artisan
Collecting: 5 Ancient Eyes

Crimson Carapace Shield Armor 12 8 Tactics Health +45 (while enchanted)
Received damage -2 (while enchanted)

I never thought of that nice one you dont need the 8 Tactics for it to work?

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hi

you need the tactics for the armour boost, not for the mods.

And i hadnt thought of not getting a max defense one ^^, (but i prefer my one with +1 to earth magic anyway )

oljomo

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

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I can't believe how expensive the -2stance -2enchanted shields are. dang 60k is knida steep!

Dallus

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

NinjaSchooldotORG

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Pardon me but is the only place to get a IDS @ Citadel?

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Armageddon
um I am the poster of the thread Im farming them exactly the same a the Ice Imps, just I take a little more damage from the Titans. Ive managed 6 at once but it was close, 3 I find I can take without a problem, unless I miss my timing. Im farming the ones outside of LA I just got the titan quests, so I'm ready to try this.

Can you kill Wild Growths with that build? Or do you have to confine yourself to the elementalists?

Being constantly poisoned would seem to put a stress on the self-healing, and even more to the point it can be hard outdamaging Troll Unguent on a high-level ranger.

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Armageddon
there is one -

Vargil the White
Location: In the northwest corner of Mamnoon Lagoon next to Hadasha the Artisan
Collecting: 5 Ancient Eyes

Crimson Carapace Shield Armor 12 8 Tactics Health +45 (while enchanted)
Received damage -2 (while enchanted)

I never thought of that nice one you dont need the 8 Tactics for it to work? Hi

You dont need any tactics for the bonuses of collectors shields, however something i recently found ou ton guildwiki, is that non-collectors shields are better if you dont meet teh requirements.

For example my gold shield al 16 with -2 enchanted and 20% +1 to earth, also gives me a base armour level increase of 8, whereas your collectors shield will only increase your armour level 3.

My advice is, go out and get a gold -2 shield ^_^

(and to the person asking whether you can get an ids with this, you can easily kill ice imps, the problem is more when you try to actually run to the cave

oljomo