Two Elite Aeromancer Skills

I have no idea where to find the following Air Magic skills (both elite):

Lightning Surge
Mind Shock

If anyone has a clue as to where these skills (one or both) may be, then please help me out as I would love to have one of 'em.

As always, thanks for any help of any nature.

after using my brain and looking at the elite skill listing post elsewhere in this forum, I have found the answer to my own question...

I apologize for wasting space, and no further replies are necessary.