Axe or Sword?
De One
I use a sword but alot of my friends tell me to switch to an axe. Do axes do more dmg then swords? I kno that axes do more dmg on the occasions but they also to less dmg unlike the sword it has a balance dmg. Which weapon type is better axe or sword? Btw this is for pve and also pvp
Misc Merik
Cant say swords are all that great in pvp. Id have to say axe is a good idea after all the fact victos axe and the razorstone have held thier value longer than the green swords have is a dead give away. As far as swords go I noticed they are really good in pve because the bleeding degen followed by the deep wound on most monsters is just awsome. In pvp its more "o noes bleeding and gash monk types LOL ~mend ailment~ gg sword war". The axe is a bit different it has no degen so the mod for it that lengthens bleeding confuses me but the attacks have a significant amount of dmg to them especially eviscerate you should try that its cool and it works great in pve especially on the monsters that cant bleed which owns the bleeding gash bit from swords. In pvp axes are serious spiking weapon blatently shown with gale w/e and sadly yes iway w/r. Yes I think switching to an axe is a good idea but its up to you its your char do what you want have fun with it.

Mistical miss
For PvE I would go with the sword, I mean, come on, swords look way cooler ^_^
Sword works nicely with some tactics skills(riposte) and final thrust just feels so good
Or get both Sword and Axe, inflict a hell lot of conditions (bleeding deep wound weakness....go secondary ranger for apply poison:P)
and Victory is Mine, add frenzy/flurry to that and all will go great (not on enchanted swords, nor jade armors, but apart from that ^_^)
Sword works nicely with some tactics skills(riposte) and final thrust just feels so good

Or get both Sword and Axe, inflict a hell lot of conditions (bleeding deep wound weakness....go secondary ranger for apply poison:P)
and Victory is Mine, add frenzy/flurry to that and all will go great (not on enchanted swords, nor jade armors, but apart from that ^_^)
Nessaja
Swords and axes, it's an endless debate.
But take this from an ex-axe user, while axes are better for a high dps over time, you don't kill things with high dps, unless there is no monk around.
What REALLY kills is spike damage, a sword can, with gash + final thurst, kill a 60 armor target from 60% HP - and that's HARD to heal for a monk. Try it out on the battle isles on the targets, hit sever atery, wait till your target is on 60% and spike with final thurst and gash, an axe can't kill like that.
Also, axes REQUIRE their elite to be Eviscerate, a Sword Warrior can bring Charge so he can Frenzy while moving 25% faster (or tigers fury) hitting critical damage in quick succesion on running targets.
So, DPS and decent spike, go axe, for a killer spike go swords
But take this from an ex-axe user, while axes are better for a high dps over time, you don't kill things with high dps, unless there is no monk around.
What REALLY kills is spike damage, a sword can, with gash + final thurst, kill a 60 armor target from 60% HP - and that's HARD to heal for a monk. Try it out on the battle isles on the targets, hit sever atery, wait till your target is on 60% and spike with final thurst and gash, an axe can't kill like that.
Also, axes REQUIRE their elite to be Eviscerate, a Sword Warrior can bring Charge so he can Frenzy while moving 25% faster (or tigers fury) hitting critical damage in quick succesion on running targets.
So, DPS and decent spike, go axe, for a killer spike go swords
Kassad
Or ditch both and go for the caster-killing hammer, they will sure love being on their ass 3/4 of the time. Fun in RA/CA (Whatever you want to call it) start bashing something to get full adren, then just switch on the monk and kill him in ~5 secs.

Minus Sign
EDIT: If your friends are telling you to switch to axe, its probably because the build and playstyle you (and they) preffer using would prove more effective with axe skills. That or they don't know any better.
As its been said, its an age old discussion. I've played as a Warrior with all three weapons and all have their strengths and weaknesses:
Swords use bleed skills to add a little extra DoT (thats Damage Over Time to you non-EQ1 peeps) to team attacks. Hitting an enemy can be healed with a standard Orison. Blled+poison+Conjure Phantasm+Siphon=ouch. But, at least in PvE, if the monster is imune to Bleeding skills, it weakens the swords effectivness. Most heavy hitters (people who like to do damage) and condition castors love to use and see the sword.
Axe on the other hand has one all too often overlooked skill: Disrupting Chop. A 20 second disable to whatever skill the enemy is using with the original interupt. That makes it a great Elite buster when you'll be staring down hard bosses like Yakslapper (Mark of Prot *shivers*). And while Evicerate is a great skill (especially when you invest in a Tanzit's Cleaver), I find Cleave gives more Damage per hit because it charges twice as fast and removes your need to do Deep Wound damage to be effective. Becaue its almost as fast as the sword, you still do plenty of damage even without bleeding. Adding Distracting Blow to this build makes axe the weapon of choice for interupt tanks
And then there's the red headed stepchild of both preffered weapons: the hammer. Since its a 2-handed weapon and slower to strike, most warriors shun its use if they don't scoff outright when they see it in my hand. That is, until I get close to their castors in PvP. Knockdown Elites like Dwarven battle Stance or (my fav on hammer) Earthshaker can cause a serious chaos moment among PvP groups. And these are humans who know to avoid my tank; think of the havoc it causes against AI! I also find it easier to get off critical hits with a hammer attack, and thats nothing to sneeze at when you factor in the hammers base damage is the highest in the game, that your weakest strike will be nearly as strong as the highest critical hit from both other weapons. But still, no shield means no extra shield buffs. hmm...
My personal prefference is now shifted back to axe. I like the interupts i do, and have plenty of good green shields to make my dear old Bludgeoner outmodded. That may change in a SF gear farm though, since Icy Dragons+Spinal Shivers= zero casts from my target. And you're right Mistical miss; it looks really cool when i whip that thing out
Its all about the team you're with and the enemies you're fighting against. I reccomend trying all 3. Play the game; don't be obsessed with the best build all the time. Get messy and make mistakes. Who knows, you might just make the next uber build in the doing.
As its been said, its an age old discussion. I've played as a Warrior with all three weapons and all have their strengths and weaknesses:
Swords use bleed skills to add a little extra DoT (thats Damage Over Time to you non-EQ1 peeps) to team attacks. Hitting an enemy can be healed with a standard Orison. Blled+poison+Conjure Phantasm+Siphon=ouch. But, at least in PvE, if the monster is imune to Bleeding skills, it weakens the swords effectivness. Most heavy hitters (people who like to do damage) and condition castors love to use and see the sword.
Axe on the other hand has one all too often overlooked skill: Disrupting Chop. A 20 second disable to whatever skill the enemy is using with the original interupt. That makes it a great Elite buster when you'll be staring down hard bosses like Yakslapper (Mark of Prot *shivers*). And while Evicerate is a great skill (especially when you invest in a Tanzit's Cleaver), I find Cleave gives more Damage per hit because it charges twice as fast and removes your need to do Deep Wound damage to be effective. Becaue its almost as fast as the sword, you still do plenty of damage even without bleeding. Adding Distracting Blow to this build makes axe the weapon of choice for interupt tanks
And then there's the red headed stepchild of both preffered weapons: the hammer. Since its a 2-handed weapon and slower to strike, most warriors shun its use if they don't scoff outright when they see it in my hand. That is, until I get close to their castors in PvP. Knockdown Elites like Dwarven battle Stance or (my fav on hammer) Earthshaker can cause a serious chaos moment among PvP groups. And these are humans who know to avoid my tank; think of the havoc it causes against AI! I also find it easier to get off critical hits with a hammer attack, and thats nothing to sneeze at when you factor in the hammers base damage is the highest in the game, that your weakest strike will be nearly as strong as the highest critical hit from both other weapons. But still, no shield means no extra shield buffs. hmm...
My personal prefference is now shifted back to axe. I like the interupts i do, and have plenty of good green shields to make my dear old Bludgeoner outmodded. That may change in a SF gear farm though, since Icy Dragons+Spinal Shivers= zero casts from my target. And you're right Mistical miss; it looks really cool when i whip that thing out

Its all about the team you're with and the enemies you're fighting against. I reccomend trying all 3. Play the game; don't be obsessed with the best build all the time. Get messy and make mistakes. Who knows, you might just make the next uber build in the doing.
Kassad
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Originally Posted by Minus Sign
Its all about the team you're with and the enemies you're fighting against. I reccomend trying all 3. Play the game; don't be obsessed with the best build all the time. Get messy and make mistakes. Who knows, you might just make the next uber build in the doing.
I use all 3, but hardly ever sword. Mostly hammer, and at times, axe. As you said, good to try all to see which one fits with/in your style.
Rainy Ico
Personally. I like using the sword in pvp. Mainly because swords have better skills (to compensate for damage). So you can link a bunch of skills together and do mucho grandes damage.
LouAl
I have tried all three, but I almost always prefer the hammer. It is like Minus Sign said, the weakest attack is almost as much as the sword's max attack, and I REALLY love Dwarven Battle Stance. On the other hand there are some great skills with all three all you have to do is find what works best for you.
Venenatus Ensis
axes are good because they have better adrenaline skills and more max damage than swords. swords, however, have skills like riposte and deadly riposte and can also cause bleeding. it all depends on your situation. personally, i prefer the axe but i use a sword when i am wurm farming.
sh4ft3d
I use a sword for many condition builds. They have higher average damage, and can inflict more conditions in less time. Final thrust is the most amazing warrior skill of all time. Nothing can beat that for pure damage. ViM builds are swords all the way.
SnipiousMax
I like Hundred Blade + Final Thrust Spikes, so I prefer sword.... Although I use Axe too. IMO one doesn't outdistance the other, and they're fairly balanced.
desolatorman
nothing much different...
axe has low min dmg, but high max dmg
also has eviserate (pwning skill)
not much skill variety
sword has average min and max dmg
has a variety of skills to choose from
axe has low min dmg, but high max dmg
also has eviserate (pwning skill)
not much skill variety
sword has average min and max dmg
has a variety of skills to choose from
Warskull
They each have their advantages and disadvantages. Due to axe's wider damage spread, it has really nasty crits and slightly higher DPS. However the difference isn't enough to matter. Thus axe vs sword really boils down to the skills.
Axes have a large number of +damage adrenaline skills. They spike extremely well in a single strike with eviscerate and can put out some very nice pressure damage. However as an axe player you really need your elite slot to make the most out of your weapon. Adrenaline heavy axe characters are very easy to make also.
Sword has a few really good spikes and a few great skills. The server, gash, final combo is extremely nasty when properly used. However at the same time this sword combo is less spammable than axe combos and takes longer to build. Sword is much more flexible on choice of elite also. You don't have a lot of flexibility with your adrenaline skills as a sword warrior so diversified builds tend to be a bit energy intensive.
Axes have a large number of +damage adrenaline skills. They spike extremely well in a single strike with eviscerate and can put out some very nice pressure damage. However as an axe player you really need your elite slot to make the most out of your weapon. Adrenaline heavy axe characters are very easy to make also.
Sword has a few really good spikes and a few great skills. The server, gash, final combo is extremely nasty when properly used. However at the same time this sword combo is less spammable than axe combos and takes longer to build. Sword is much more flexible on choice of elite also. You don't have a lot of flexibility with your adrenaline skills as a sword warrior so diversified builds tend to be a bit energy intensive.
thugsline
Hamstring ftw..
asdar
Axes are the highest damage per second
Hammers are the best disrupters
Swords are the best if you want an off class elite
That's my opinion of course and I'm no expert on all the math. Taking out an elite in either hammer or axe crushes the build but not so much sword.
Hammers are the best disrupters
Swords are the best if you want an off class elite
That's my opinion of course and I'm no expert on all the math. Taking out an elite in either hammer or axe crushes the build but not so much sword.
Yakumo
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Originally Posted by Mistical miss
For PvE I would go with the sword, I mean, come on, swords look way cooler ^_^
I only ever use swords... and for that reason alone.

Absynthe
I use an axe almost for the basic reason ......not all things bleed. I also have an axe that you get extra adrenaline on attack
Aven
Pve I'ma stancer so I usually running a crowd control so I go axe which has very nice aoe skill Cyclone axe stacked with adreniline based skills over the high cost of sword skills not like tanks have uber energy or anything I preffer axe I may not be able to drop enemies as fast as a sword but in PvE when is the tank really the major damage dealer... his job is to go aggro first.. gather as many aggro as possible and stay alive while tackling the masses... while the other more effective damage dealers take out the rather distracted enemies that are beating on the tank.... PvP axe vs sword bout even for me
best of ascalon
In the beginning in the game i prefer sword for server artery and gash, While you are lvl 15 i would switch 2 axe.
De One
thx I think ima stick with sword on pve but in pvp ill witch to an axe
wheel
Both axes and swords have very strong spiking capabilities. In two warrior builds, I prefer to have a Charge! sword warrior and an axe warrior, because having the ability to Final Thrust is just sickening.
De One
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Originally Posted by wheel
Both axes and swords have very strong spiking capabilities. In two warrior builds, I prefer to have a Charge! sword warrior and an axe warrior, because having the ability to Final Thrust is just sickening.
ummm I dont think charge is a good idea. It's a waste of elite skill when theres skills like eviscerate(axe) and hundred blades(sword) unless your doing a run. If you use charge for the extra speed when your fightin then I would suggest sprint.
SziP
Energy Cost
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion.
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion.
Arey-JT
It's all about what you get you get comfortable too. or what YOU FIND is the best, people cant tell you what is the best cause then you wont understand and wont have much control of any build but anyways this is how i feel,
if you want to have more attack skills to chose from go with axe cause it's all adrenaline
if you want to have a little bit more control go with sword
if you want to do more damage go with AXE
if you want to have faster attack speed go with sword
if you want to be a W/Me and use Illusionary Weaponry use Ogre Knife
^^ SERIOUSLY THE KNIFE IS GOOD HERES WHY!!
Illusionary Weaponry Effects ---
1) Cant gain Adrenaline (sucks A-S-S)
2) with 12 illusion, you always do 36 damage, no matter what the sword,Axe,Wand,Knife says you will do 36 dmg everytime all the time
3) This is the best feature to it because you can hit them if you blind. i say thats a pretty powerful spell.
So end this post now that have all the information you need. i dont see it going anywhere.
if you want to have more attack skills to chose from go with axe cause it's all adrenaline
if you want to have a little bit more control go with sword
if you want to do more damage go with AXE
if you want to have faster attack speed go with sword
if you want to be a W/Me and use Illusionary Weaponry use Ogre Knife
^^ SERIOUSLY THE KNIFE IS GOOD HERES WHY!!
Illusionary Weaponry Effects ---
1) Cant gain Adrenaline (sucks A-S-S)
2) with 12 illusion, you always do 36 damage, no matter what the sword,Axe,Wand,Knife says you will do 36 dmg everytime all the time
3) This is the best feature to it because you can hit them if you blind. i say thats a pretty powerful spell.
So end this post now that have all the information you need. i dont see it going anywhere.
Puppets
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Originally Posted by SziP
Energy Cost
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion. You're missing the whole point of hundred blades, it isn't an attack that was made to do craploads of damage. It's a nice skill for recharging adrendaline, then smacking the monster with the hardest sword hitting skills ( galrath, final thrust) available.
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion. You're missing the whole point of hundred blades, it isn't an attack that was made to do craploads of damage. It's a nice skill for recharging adrendaline, then smacking the monster with the hardest sword hitting skills ( galrath, final thrust) available.
Murder In China
Final thrust is all the spike you'll ever need on a Sword warrior.
SziP
Its just my point of view, and i just use something thats in my advantage. In this case its axe(for me), of course there are ups and downs in using a axe, but dont forget its the same for sword. I use swords too, you can inflict incredible damage with final thrust.
Yukito Kunisaki
As far as efficiency goes, Axe is king for the spike...
I don't see how people can work with the Final Thrust conditions... [vs. good monks I mean]
Eviscerate + Exe. Strike does about 60% dmg on an unprepared, unenchanted foe... If you save your adrenaline for it, you can outright kill most people before they know what's going on...
Swords 'standard' striking involves, Sever, Gash, Galrath/Savage Slash, Final Thrust. That's a LOT of skill slots for dmg/interruption. Axe is Evis, Exe, Disrupting chop, that's all ya need... ^_^ [I like Swift Chop for laughs]
HAmmers, would be my 2nd favorite... For easy reason: KD owns anything pvp... almost...
I remade my warrior to try out a different type of blood sword user, and now I regret it, but I changed my name ^_^
I don't see how people can work with the Final Thrust conditions... [vs. good monks I mean]
Eviscerate + Exe. Strike does about 60% dmg on an unprepared, unenchanted foe... If you save your adrenaline for it, you can outright kill most people before they know what's going on...
Swords 'standard' striking involves, Sever, Gash, Galrath/Savage Slash, Final Thrust. That's a LOT of skill slots for dmg/interruption. Axe is Evis, Exe, Disrupting chop, that's all ya need... ^_^ [I like Swift Chop for laughs]
HAmmers, would be my 2nd favorite... For easy reason: KD owns anything pvp... almost...
I remade my warrior to try out a different type of blood sword user, and now I regret it, but I changed my name ^_^
vallu0
i had same problem , but i didn't care i just bought executioner's helm and 1 axe and now i use sword and axe same time

Jancid Brennberg
As a Warrior from the start away (my first character), i have tried both axe & sword. I admit leaving the tutorial with a sword, but soon switched to the axe. The axe provided me with a more adaptable skill setup, whilst maintaining a superior damage output. Even though bleeding & cripple are massively tactical conditions, the mere damage and the deep wound of the axe simply overcome this.
Nowadays, i am doing an in-depth comparison, by partying with lower level guildie-chars. I switch from axe (Razorstone & Victos Axe, direct comparison) to sword (Grognars Blade whilst not in fight, Victos Blade in fight for the extra damage and the selfheal). My conclusion by now is, that axe outdamages sword and can adapt more easy to any situation. Sword, on the other hand, means more team orientated play.
Disrupting Chop IS nice, i LOVE it. But Savage Slash / Distracting Blow together let you interrupt also, which is in okay - two interrupts should be nice & sufficient. Crippling a rushing warrior boss mob, which harasses your soft targets, can be life saving. Your monks and such will thank you for taking pressure of them. Necros and Mesmers will appreciate your degen from beleeding, too. If your target CAN indeed bleed, that is.
In comparison of the two onehanded weapons, axe clearly remains my favourite. It has the most damage and, on top, can interrupt, deep wound, cripple and weaken, furthermore, PBAoE damage is nearly standard on this one. This is any warrior control and damage dealing. The sword can cripple, bleed and deep wound, PBAoE damage is elite only. This is less damage and less warrior control, but it's tactical usage.
My problem, as a result:
Most W/Mo (you know which i mean) don't now, what they are wielding. Most do not know, how to use their gear. Most do not fight tactical. Thus, the sword is a "Oh oh, crap." sign for me, when in a PUG or RA. If it's an W/Mo, i count this match 3 vs 4 anyway.
PS I will try the hammer these days, i just bought Malinons Malign Hammer for 3k. Let's see, if this KD/AS build is fun and wether it's PvE'able.
See you.
PPS vallu0, you are non-PG. Using two weapons sucks.
Nowadays, i am doing an in-depth comparison, by partying with lower level guildie-chars. I switch from axe (Razorstone & Victos Axe, direct comparison) to sword (Grognars Blade whilst not in fight, Victos Blade in fight for the extra damage and the selfheal). My conclusion by now is, that axe outdamages sword and can adapt more easy to any situation. Sword, on the other hand, means more team orientated play.
Disrupting Chop IS nice, i LOVE it. But Savage Slash / Distracting Blow together let you interrupt also, which is in okay - two interrupts should be nice & sufficient. Crippling a rushing warrior boss mob, which harasses your soft targets, can be life saving. Your monks and such will thank you for taking pressure of them. Necros and Mesmers will appreciate your degen from beleeding, too. If your target CAN indeed bleed, that is.
In comparison of the two onehanded weapons, axe clearly remains my favourite. It has the most damage and, on top, can interrupt, deep wound, cripple and weaken, furthermore, PBAoE damage is nearly standard on this one. This is any warrior control and damage dealing. The sword can cripple, bleed and deep wound, PBAoE damage is elite only. This is less damage and less warrior control, but it's tactical usage.
My problem, as a result:
Most W/Mo (you know which i mean) don't now, what they are wielding. Most do not know, how to use their gear. Most do not fight tactical. Thus, the sword is a "Oh oh, crap." sign for me, when in a PUG or RA. If it's an W/Mo, i count this match 3 vs 4 anyway.

PS I will try the hammer these days, i just bought Malinons Malign Hammer for 3k. Let's see, if this KD/AS build is fun and wether it's PvE'able.
See you.
PPS vallu0, you are non-PG. Using two weapons sucks.
Battle Torn
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Most W/Mo (you know which i mean) don't now, what they are wielding. Most do not know, how to use their gear. Most do not fight tactical. Thus, the sword is a "Oh oh, crap." sign for me, when in a PUG or RA. If it's an W/Mo, i count this match 3 vs 4 anyway. Let me get this straight... your own experience with swords means they are crap and everyonelse using them is a nOOb?....Jesus, just when I thought you knew what you were talking about you have to go and ruin it. There is no clearer sign of a nOOb that someone being racist agains a particular class + build and who cant seem to realize its the people playing the game that are good/bad and not the build. You have to learn how to evaluate the person... not the build perhaps this is where you are going wrong?
You have to keep yourself open to the fact that there are more experienced people in the game that you who may feel the same about axe warriors, but probably not because (being experienced) they realize this is a personal preference and you cant possibly know for sure their attributes, tactics or skills and therefore cant possibly know if its better or worse than axe...just in your case you have found axe to be better (so far). By the way MOST inexperienced warriors will think your a nOOb if you use a hammer

fact is that all weapons are down to personal experience and you have to leave yourself open to the fact that others may simply be using them better than you did and no matter how experienced. We all still have something to learn (it is a strong possibility that experienced warriors have tried all weapons...so ask yourself why does a 'nOOb' 4.5mil exp W/Mo use a sword if they are rubbish?) Both axes and swords have thieir good points and used correctly offer a warrior the choice of some pretty good combos.
Byron
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Originally Posted by Battle Torn
fact is that all weapons are down to personal experience and you have to leave yourself open to the fact that others may simply be using them better than you did and no matter how experienced.
Couldnt agree more; it is all about experience. The best guilds in the world use all three types (including swords), depending on their build. So here's the balance:
Sword = reliable medium damage
Axe = unreliable big damage
Hammer = slow big damage
A sword attack in pvp versus your typical sixty armor caster will get you at least 25 damage every time, but you wont get higher than 80 in one hit. Axes can put a critical over 100 damage, but sometimes you'll hit for a negligible 10 damage. Hammers hit for at least 40 every time, but you lose significant attack speed.
It just so happens that sword W/Mo are more often new to pvp. Its a pretty sound conclusion that what worked in pve should work in pvp, right? Everyone has a learning curve...
Sword = reliable medium damage
Axe = unreliable big damage
Hammer = slow big damage
A sword attack in pvp versus your typical sixty armor caster will get you at least 25 damage every time, but you wont get higher than 80 in one hit. Axes can put a critical over 100 damage, but sometimes you'll hit for a negligible 10 damage. Hammers hit for at least 40 every time, but you lose significant attack speed.
It just so happens that sword W/Mo are more often new to pvp. Its a pretty sound conclusion that what worked in pve should work in pvp, right? Everyone has a learning curve...