lower lvls at higher places.

i have been working on my 2nd pve character since my first has completed all the misssions and captured a few elite skills.

so my 2nd character is having some ease getting along the way since i know what to do all over again. reached sanctum cay at lvl 13 using mostly henchmen to get there so i didnt have to deal with the pubbies.

well, i very quickly found out nobody wanted to party me as a lvl 13.
they kept saying i was too low and wouldnt help their team.
only reason i needed a party for this mission was the disease from that dirty water, it would kill my henchmen because their not smart enough to get the hell out of it. so, it came down to me gettin some of my fellow guild members to help out. i really dont like asking for help with missions that are very easy. but my point is, i guess, dont it make sense that a lower lvl would have equal skills as another character that has gotten to the same area?

i mean, im seeing it this way.

if it takes joe 50 hours to get to point B and it takes jim 20 hours to get to point B, why would you not want jim on your team?

i just dont understand their thinking

later on that same day (yesterday) while i was at thirsty river in the desert, at a lvl 15 now, ran into the same problem.

ppl saying lvl 20's only for our group.

LEVEL DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING BUT SLIGHTLY MORE HEALTH.
there, that is for all the pubby nubs out there.

have a good day guys.

I think the misconception is you were piggy backed with high level help to get you that far and on first impression you are in over your head. While prossibly inaccurate looking at your level is the only indication of whether or not you are capable. These people do not know how skillful or not you may or may not be. You seem to have agreeable guildmates so I am assuming your are talking about PUG members being put off by your level.Maybe not the answer you were looking for but it is understandable.

That's pretty funny...even when I'm helping people on the ascension missions, I will never group other level 20s. I won't let anyone in the group who's hit 20 before ascending. I think it's just silly. They're usually the necro with a hammer who commandiers group control and barks out orders.

Have I mentioned my love for the necro with a hammer?

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Level 15 for the Thirsty River could be risky. That's 100 health we're talking here.. that could very well mean life or death.

You pretty much contradict yourself in your own post. You say you use henchmen pretty much exclusively to get to Sanctum to avoid the lower level noobs and then wonder why people in Snactum won't group with someone who is 3-4 levels lower than they should be? Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out...

And your analogy is a bad one, or at least incomplete. Sure, if Jim and Joe say both ran to point B (i.e. used the same means to get there), then obviously i take Jim. Problem is, however, chances are Jim got his friend James to drive him in his car to get to point B and it had nothing to do with Jim being "better".

Plus from experiance players lower level than the average for an area, usually suck at teamplay, as they either "know it alls" or expect the others to bale them out.
Have partied with a few who are at the level 20 missions when they have been from lvl 16-19 and they are there to power level to 20. Dont know why and dont see the point myself.
I am not saying everyone is like this, but it happens more times than not.
I have a few in my friends list and group with them often and if we can't make a full party we take henchies as it is often less risky than taking a new player who may / may not be a teamplayer.
In the long run, on a different note, It is safe to assume that if you aint in a guild you will find it hard to get a good team.

It is not just the hit points. Although that is a valid concern from whoever your monk might be in the party. You'd need closer watching than others due to less time for he/she to get to you before you face plant.

It's also attribute points. Folks 5 levels higher than you have many more attribute points they have spent to make their chosen skills much more effective than yours.

I'm not in the least saying that you didn't spend wisely or can't play well. I'm just stating that someone who has more points, can be less...skilled if you like, simply because their powers do more.

And yes...I see someone lower level than the general area I'm in and I do think their guildies gave them a free ride there. Might not be true, but I'm not willing to learn that the hard way on some of the longer missions with someone I don't know.

With regards to how much skill you as the player has, a complete stranger has no clue how skilled you actually are.
I can't think of why they should assume you are more skilled just because your level is lower. So if you have to choose between a low level player of unknown skill and a high level player of unknown skill, you pick the high level player and hope he has skill. The expected outcome is great unless you have specific reason to believe the low level player is better.

The game is skill based, meaning you can get a skill up very high by pouring all your points into it. Secondly you will have the same crafted armour as anyone else in that specific area. The difference is you have slightly less HP than the others.

On my Me/monk I made it to Ventari at lvl 11, the henchmen there were lvl 15 or so. I had no problem at all killing with henchmen and getting 30xp per kill.

The people who deny you in their team based on your level are clueless about the game. However, you might want to consider levling up abit if you plan on doing the desert missions since they arent really considered easy.

Wowzor.. You guys must have really ignored enemies. Even 'rushing' through the game with my Elementalist I hit 11 by Yak's Bend.

Stupidest thing i've ever seen on this forum. Yes, the game is skill based but in NO way does that mean lvl doesn't count, not to mention pouring all points into one skill means you will have ZERO in any others. Don't think so? Have your lvl 11 fight a lvl 20 sometime and see how you do...hehe.

In any case, why would you NOT take a higher level person over a lower one given the choice? Now THAT would be clueless...

me and a couple guildmates ascended at lvl 15. I recently leveled up my second character and when i got to the northern shiverpeaks and people are already lvl 15. *shrug* if grinding is what floats your boat you can grind but i like the challenge of beating stuff at the lowest level possible. I know these mission better then alot of the people coming up through them and the hardest part is finding a group that will take me.

Quite well, actually. Of course, I wasn't doing it alone, I had henchmen.

I too reached Sanctum Cay as a level 11 character (R/E). Oddly, Sanctum Cay is one of the quicker and easier places to get to. I got it shortly after Temple of the Ages, which I got shortly after Bergen Hot Springs, which I got shortly after arriving in Lion's Arch. By contrast, it took quite a bit more effort to finally make it to Denravi, and I was level 14 by the time I got there. I had decided to try to tag all the map points you can get without going south through Lornar's Pass or doing the Sanctum Cay mission, and Denravi was the last one, long after I'd gotten Sanctum Cay.

After finally getting Denravi and having run completely out of map points I could get to without doing Sanctum Cay, I went and did it. You don't need a PUG for it, Sanctum Cay is quite doable with a level 14 character and a group of henchmen, so don't worry if no one hanging around in Sanctum Cay will invite you into their group as a level 14, just go do it yourself.

Is there a point to doing this? Well, aside from trying to see how far I could get in the game via "The Explorer's Path", i.e. using EA's and doing as few missions as possible (my ranger is now level 18 and has still only done Sanctum Cay -- I'm about to embark on the Ascension missions, though), I've also discovered that one of the best places for a level 14 character to level up is the Crystal Desert. Not really that hard to get to, loads of XP, great drops, and a lot of fun to boot. Sure, I've racked up quite a few deaths, but the fact that every encouter was a life-threatening challenge rather than a walk in the park made it a lot more fun.

However, my other three characters are doing things the normal way. It was interesting and fun but I'm not anxious to do it again, at least not so soon.

[QUOTE=Dreamsmith]Quite well, actually. Of course, I wasn't doing it alone, I had henchmen.[/quote}]

Uh, first off i was talking about PvP and second, even if i was talking about PvE how is six lvl 11's taking on one lvl 20 impressive?

Nobody is saying you can't get really far at low levels...it's quite easy to do. Heck, I've seen a lvl 11 in the Desert and i'm sure it could be lower if you had seven lvl 20 friends taking you through all the missions. The point is that unless you have friends helping you, don't be surprised when nobody wants to group with you.

well, i made it thru the desert yesterday, ascended at lvl 17.

gained 3 levels with that instantly and nolonger have this problem for now.

peace.

Hmm I would actually argue that it is not your skill that gets you there, but the skill of the group that you are with.
It is easy to race through missions if the group you are with is good. This does not mean that you are a good player, just one that can stay out of the way of enemies or don't mind the max 60% death pen.

Well, This game is based around 70% on skill.

Well, I'm not saying a level 1 could do ascention, though

Regards, Ashleigh.

Hmmmmmm.........

I see lets not go with the most experinced players.

By your own definition you are a necro with a hammer or are the bossy one..................

If a level 3 can do it...

I saw the screenies, but how did you get into the acadamy - I thought you had to be at least lvl 3 to go through the acadamy. did you do this during a beta???

This wasn't me, it was LuLu
And you can go into the academy as soon as you have two proffesions, you don't have to be lvl 3 anymore.

My view of it is that Joe simply took longer because he is getting more out of the game, that if he is at the place that he has the same abilities at the game that you have, AND he has more HP and skill points alotted. In my mind Joe would be like Jim except more powerful and tougher. I pick Joe. Jim should go level up for the whole couple hours it will take him.

Now thats what a good team can do.
Shame the asended would have such a pitifull array of skills, and bugger all cash, etc to get the good armour and such few skill points to purchase skills with. Thats unless they accepted lots of donations.

GW may allow you do get that far at low level, but you still have to play the game to get the skills and the equipment so that you can survive without your high level groups backup.

You just have to transfer money from your main using the bank.

Then you can go back and do every mission as a level 20 just for the skill points.

A level 3 managing to ascend is crazy! I read how she beat the mirror self, and I would sure hate to meet her in PvP.

Jeez, and here I thought it was bad yesterday when I saw 2 14th W/Mo's in Elona Reach....

The biggest thing I take away from this thread are how many people miss the value of games like this. The great art, graphics and gameplay....completely missed as they "rush to get to the end first" or "find a way to zip thru to upper levels".....then come here and yip about it.
The best thing about this game is the unique experience each user has when stepping out of a city/outpost into the world.....it's theirs and theirs alone!! No MPORG self-labelled l33t players pulling stupid pranks or griefing players who want to take it all in slowly.
Hell someone posted a screen print in another thread of when they got their first scale armour (this isn't raggin on em) and his gold amount was absolutely Bill Gates'esque...like 35 Plat + gold. It gave the appearance (since I don't know for sure) of someone who collected allot of things thru a long journey from AC to Lions Arch rather than skipping all of the game...Kudo's to that person.

It's not. In fact, it's quite easy. You may need to reread my post if for some reason you didn't get that. My point was that it's not impressive or even hard.

Now, taking on groups of 5-6 level 20 monsters is impressive, but you need to get to the Crystal Desert before you can do that.

Unless you are completely masochistic, then you could give Lornar's Pass a try.

lol so you think that a lvl 20 doing the thirsty river misison for the 20th time and still hasnt passed it is expirienced?

its a very easy mission as long as you have the patients to watch the time clock and manage your kills before you head in for the priests.

elonas reach at lvl 20? na, just take your time gettin the first crystal in the camps and then have your team "protect" the runner for the last crystal. this charater has a "rushing" skill he can spam. taking out the sages is easy, keep your monks to the back of the fight.

and dunes, henchmen can complete this one, nothing more to be said.

a level 20 character is not experienced just because he/she is lvl 20.

this character i was talking about was my 2nd pve char. ive done all the missions with my first pve char. still have a few side quests to do tho, and a few small towns to see. but other than that, i have the virtual maps of all the ring of fire missions in my head, as well as all the missions from the desert on up.

its funny watching a lvl 13 war/monk lead a team of 6 thru riverside and they are all lvl 16+ and still asking questions on where to go.

And you think having a Lvl 15 who has probably never done it is better than having a Lvl 20 who has done it 20 times!? If you get a bad run of pick-up groups you can easily have to do those missions 20 times and it has nothing to do with your skill. If your group sucks, you won't make it. Amazing logic you have...

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a level 20 character is not experienced just because he/she is lvl 20.[/quote}

Nor is a level 15 character experience just because he is in the desert.

And this is common knowledge to everyone playing the game right? *rolls eyes*

What's funny is you thinking people should make the assumption that a low level in a high level area is uber (when in reality he probably just had his high level friend get him there without doing anything), while somone who is the correct level is an idiot. Again, your logic is astounding...

You might need to take your own advice. 90% of your post is saying how you got to Sanctum Cay at lvl 11, Desert at 14, etc. Since you know it's not impressive or hard, why are you posting it as such?

In any case, as i said, i was talking PvP, not PvP...reread my earlier post if for some reason you didn't get that.

What about the people who do all the side quests and missions? They'll be lvl 20 before the ascension quests. Why is it silly to be lvl 20 when you get to the ascension quests?